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Yes, the court seems to take the childish view that schools do; that the "winner" in a fight is the guilty party, irrespective of who started it. |
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Shitting hell this thread has grown. The fact is: Our Government fucked up. They said he wasn't allowed in the country but allowed him, by their own laziness, to live in this country. He got a paltry sentence for killing someone. He didn't do it intentionally but he still did it. Hit and Run is fucking low. He's not facing the consequences of his actions. A few months in prison is nothing. They have the fucker now and I'm hoping they'll deport him after his sentence. |
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Erm, no I said he shouldn't have been in this country because his application for assylum had been turned down and he was an illegal alien, nothing to do with race, so in future, before you make yourself look a total prick, actually think before you type. I would have said the same thing had he been an illegal alien from any part of the world. While I don't think the assylum application process is far from perfect it has to be in place and abided by, and THAT is why he shouldn't have been in this country. Personally I would have no arguement in seeing Bush and Blair up in front of a UN tribuneral for the Iraq "conflict", but that has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. |
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My above post was a follow up to the post I am following up on with this follow up. I hope that is clear. |
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99% of government around the world is corrupt and fucked up in someway. Unforutantly its something we have to live with. God.... |
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god corrupt too? nice to think he's not much better than us. but that was probably his point on that jesus dude he sent to us |
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84% of statistics are made up. |
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all rumours are true |
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big: maybe. i think man makes god in his image, or most of man anyway. giginger: well this one iam sure is true. |
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yaknow when I`m listenin to mp3s your avatar fucks my winamp. change it you scouse scum! :P |
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Oh right. And our immigration laws are not racist? Did you not hear of Amnesty International's condemnation of the asylum process? This guy was in someone else's country and killed someone. Should we dispense harsh justice on him? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3478133.stm |
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I said that the immigration laws are far from perfect, I was just pointing out that my comment about the fact he shouldn't have been here was based on current legal status and not his race. As for the link, if it is found that the allegations have basis, then of course he should be tried for murder. |
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he's a witch! bUUUUUUrn him! |
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in holland it was the other way around almost this soldier apparantly had shot in the ground near a mob that was luding, one dude in the mob fell, was thrown in a car by the rest and they drove off. the soldier was arrested pretty soon after. it was pretty bad for moral. apparantly there's no other way here to handle such things. it's pretty harsh to be thrown in jail because of suspicion when you were just doing your job (of course it has to be investigated though) |
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are we all agreed that him being illigal has not to be taking into acount when judging his fellony (crime) of hitting the kid? it's something different not having your passport than not having your license |
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"all rumours are true" hahahaha |
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I agree totally the only reason I brought up the fact he was an illegal was the perversity of the the fact he got more time for passport offenses than killing a child, and the fact that had he not been in the country he wouldn't have caused the death. But yes, the fact he was an illegal has no baring on what his sentence should be...all deaths caused in this manner should be dealt with more harshly. |
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I agree |
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yes of course that's crazy, but that charge was dropped altogether, right? i dont get it anyway, being an illigal gets you in jail? not just out of the country? if he hadnt been in the country... you can only speculate on that. if he'd been smarter he would have gotten into the country maybe. if he'd been born in england he would have had his driverslicense without being able to drive anyway maybe |
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No, the charge wasn't dropped. He was convicted of motoring offenses such as driving without a license and the judge gave him an 8 months sentence. The sentence has been reduced to 6 months because that is all the judge exceded what he was allowed to give him. His failed assylum application meant he would have been immediately deported, not held in prison. In the UK most deaths caused by road accidents are tried inder the charge "driving without due care and attention" and carry relatively small custodial sentences. |
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i'm shocked that some people arre sticking up forr this dick head child killerr. |
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maybe we should take the law into our own hands and get mr big to pay a visit to him in the showers |
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I'm a firm believer in capital punishment. |
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"the fact that had he not been in the country he wouldn't have caused the death." What a stupid thing to say? Of course he wouldn't but that doesn't mean he deserves more contempt (which is what you were implying). I could drive up a particular road in Cardiff tonight and knock down some kid and if I wasn't there on that street I wouldn't have killed him. Its a 'what if" and is totally irrelevant. Maybe we need to ask ourselves why such people have to drive without documentation etc. If this wasn't such a shit country we wouldn't try and shut people out. And just because someone's application has failed in doesn't mean they don't have a legitimate claim. |
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You are being arguementative and completely rediculous. The fact of the matter is that the sentence is far too short. Personally yes, I do beleive that the fact he committed this crime whilst in the process of committing another he does deserve more contempt, especially as he showed more concern with his own well being in fleeing the scene than for the person he ran over. "If this wasn't such a shit country we wouldn't try and shut people out" Typical overly liberal stupid comment...I'm not even going to start responding to this with reason because the very fact you made it shows you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. |
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"If this wasn't such a shit country we wouldn't try and shut people out" Oh come on! I thought better of you than to make a statement like that Jonesy. This country is shit because there's too many fucking drains on it's resources. Adding more is not an answer. It's a fucking mistake! |
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my opinions on this subject are as follows: the sentence is too light. this man should not have been driving. whether you are an illegal immigrant or not, it is against the law to drive without the relevant documentation. it is irrelevant to this argument how many bad drivers WITH licences there are - that is a different matter entirely. i'm not saying it shouldnt be sorted out (ie. re-test drivers at various points in their lives) - but its not an excuse for not having a license. that is a cop out. despite the fact that it is far from perfect, the legal requirement to have a license is there for a reason. primarily : accountability. otherwise, ANYONE could get behind the wheel of a car. driving without a license is like playing russian roulette with your life+the lives of others. it is an irresponsible act, just as driving under the influence of alcohol is. in my opinion, drunk drivers should have their license removed permanently, with no reprieve. if they kill anyone as a result of drink driving, it should not be treated as an accident. jail sentences should apply there is no excuse for driving over the limit. it is not an accident, it is a selfish+stupid act. i realise that drink-driving is not immediately relevant to this particualr case, but the reason i bring it up is that (in my opinion) driving without a license is tantamount to driving drunk : there is no excuse. for whatever reason, you should NOT be behind the wheel of a car. as for him being an illegal immigrant - there seems to be a typical knee-jerk reaction that any anti-immigrant commentary is the direct result of xenophobia and/or racism. unfortunately, yes, a lot of people who support tougher immigration laws carry some pretty strong racial prejudices around with them. i firmly distance myself from any racist. i believe that the ethnic diversity present in the uk is one of the most exciting things about the country. to me, the spectrum of different races, religions & cultures present is a fundamental part of being british. the |
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there is no reason why future integration of immigrants into the uk wont continue to benefit our already rich, textured culture. also, i feel genuine sympathy for anyone living in intolerable conditions, anywhere in the world. i think its perfectly understandable for them to want to get away from oppression + make a life in a more affluent country. BUT.. i also distance myself from misinformed liberals who seem to think that britain is wealthy enough to operate an 'open-door' policy for immigrants. if they were to do just a little research theyd realise that, if the influx of immigrants continues as it has done in the past, britain will be unable to provide even a basic standard of living for its poorer citizens. the margin is already too wide. there are too many unemployed people, people in unacceptable living conditions, homeless people etc. its fairly obvious that too rapid a population increase will only worsen these problems. the way the country fails its current legal inhabitants needs to be addressed soon. immigration laws need a massive restructure - as theyre proving largely ineffective.. |
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but this too, is an aside from this particular case.. because the man concerned was an ILLEGAL immigrant. he bypassed the laws that might have allowed him to gain legal access to this country. i KNOW those laws are flawed.. but theyre still laws. they should be addressed + reformed, not ignored. otherwise you get to a point where anyone can flaunt any law if it goes against what they want to do. yes, reforming flawed laws is a long term process - but the quick fix isn't always the best way of going about things. illegal immigrants should not be in any country.. its a simple as that really. not just to protect the country's economy, its workforce etc.. but also to protect the immigrants themselves. my posts are getting too long + i have stuff to do, so i wont go into it here (maybe we should start a new thread for it) but i will point you in the direction of last week's news story where the chinese immigrants died. in this instance, its the spineless bastards who were employing them who should be prosecuted. this should never have happened. nor should the death of that poor lad in this situation. |
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I agree totally and would have typed everything you typed if I woasn't concerned about the risks of RSI :D |
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cheers! it was worth it just for you to agree with me. :D i'm suffering now, though.. |
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Well my family entered this country as so-called economic migrants, not even asylum seekers. Are we a drain on resources? Or do we contribute to the economy by working? People have been saying the same shit about immigrants since the 19th century with the Irish. Then it was the Jews and so on and so on. We seem to have the resources to wage an illegal war (£200 million a month no less) but we can't afford to offer people sanctuary from the very countries we bombed. |
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We NEED immigration. Now more than ever. There is a demographic timebomb in this country. We have an aging population and not enough people working to pay for the drooling grippers in their nursing homes. The argument that there is only so much room and only so many jobs is ridiculous. The more people working in a country the richer we become. Ever heard of the post-war boom and the Windrush? |
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Why is a lot of our production work moving to asia then? I've got so many mates made redundant because it's cheaper to employ in these other countries. And I get fed up with UK buisness call center operators based in different counties who sometimes don't understand what I want. |
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This is exactly it. The elites fill our newspapers with crap about the immigrants taking all the jobs while they move jobs abroad. If capital can move borders why can't people? But immigrant labour is needed to do a lot of the service sector jobs that many people here won't do. Or the dangerous work like the cockle-pickers in Morecambe. |
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Do you have minimum wage in the UK? |
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yeah, zero |
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Yeah, workers over the age of 18 are paid £3.80 an hour, while the over 21s receive £4.50. Because people deserve more the older they get and people under 18 deserve fuck all. |
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and then what happens in menial jobs is they will only employ people under 21 because its cheaper for them to do so |
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Haha. Minimum wage is retarded, there would be sooo many more jobs without one. I've never actually worked for minimum wage myself, which shows that it isn't necessary. |
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i don't get out of bed for less than a grand |
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i spend a lot of time in bed |
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yea it does but I can't remember what it is. I just hate the fact that if this guy had stopped the kid might still be alive. It upsets me that the man had to decide between the boys life or his position in this country. Hit and run acciedents, even ones that aren't fatal, are completly irresponsible. Someone knocked me in my car once and fucked off leaving me and my 3rd part F&F to fork out £300 |
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If I knocked someone down I'm not sure how I'd react. No one can. I think people panic in many cases and just flee. And this guy had more reason than most to panic. I'm not trying to excuse hit n' runs, just understand. |
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That decision, whether he was panicing or not, is still irresponsible. I'd like to think that if people panic after hitting someone, worst case they'll be frozen in their car, not pissing off. |
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But who knows until it happens to them? I'm not saying he was right. Things just aren't as black and white and simple as the tabloid-view of the world has it. (Not that I believe you're a tab-head) |
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ha. I'd hate to be in that situation that's for sure. I know that I wouldn't be able to forgive myself for driving away, so I'd like to think I'd help... for all the good it'd do for the kid with the state I'd be in. |
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I have no problem with asylum seekers as long as they're genuine. Entering the country and just expecting money to do nothing not fine. If you enter and get a job then that's great. You're contributing to society. I get pissed at those that leech off society. Immigrant or not, they should be dealt with. I should've expanded on my statement really. I was talking about drains from withing this country. Adding more was in reference to letting people in who have no intention of earning money and just want to live off the government. We have enough native people who do that. The war we entered was something else we had fucking need to do and it was a further waste of money. It's stupid shit like that I hate. People voiced their opinions against it yet the government ignored it and spent a shit load of money anyway. What a fucking great way to run the country. We're now having to re-build the countries we bombed at more cost to the taxpayer. We're continually shelling out and getting nothing for it. |
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yea. and people like that wife swap bitch becoming recognisable as (UK) famous for being a slag pisses me off. And all those gits who run out of money so they pop another sprog. It gives people who honestly need benifit a shitty name. All those kids being brought into life for the soul purpose of more cash fucks me off. No wonder I get harrased by 20 od 12 year olds when I come out of the gym. That's a completely different arguement tho. soz. |
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My personal view is that we could deport one legitimate resident "leech" for every immigrant willing to work that we accept into the country. I think the greatest argument for lowering taxes (across the board) is that the government do have enough money already. The fact we have so many layers of beauracracy and can piss it away on things like the EU, the war etc. shows we have plenty already, it's just the way they choose to spend it. Michael Howard also has a point when he says high taxes are in part to blame for the shortage of volunteers in all sorts of organisations- if people are paying high taxes, they feel they are already "doing their bit" for society and they don't need to sacrafice their time as well. As an aside, I think average travelling times to work also contribute to this... a lot of people work 5 days a week, but spend another working days worth of hours in traffic to and from work. If people are out of the house for 11 hours of the day, of course they're not going to be able to afford the time to volunteer. |
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