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Its all going to be subjectivly anyway. If they dont like it then they just aint gonna like it. Meesaa lovesa me hip-hop mon. You fuckin Nuttahs. |
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actually i dont get that mainstream (dont know about the others) stuff because i dont watch tv or listen to radio i have some really nice american hip hop, latest one i bought is clic by boom bip & doseone-i dont know if this is mainstream or not but i like it a lot |
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I liked your avatar better without the kitty head.Yousa got a pretty face and shouldnt hide it mon. |
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Well the main give away is that the lyracist actually has talent and ryhmes about the realities of life or tells story or tries to make a point. Next is that the beat isnt a monotonous bass drone. Also in the 'hip-hop' genre youll hear them make fun of gangsters more often than not. heh heh. Odalay Homes. |
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there's some decent stuff on soulsides greatest bumps |
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anyone tell me anything about microphone fiend? what is it? is it a tracktitle or an artist? We askers like so much to exploit your friendly minds instead of searching rubbish on the net. |
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OH NOOOOO ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL THE LINKS ARE ACIDLY BLUE... is it because the css failed loading? |
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I like some... not a huge rap fan, but stuff like DJ Shadow and Amon Tobin is real good... and even some rap is nice... |
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this just in from a reliable source (my BF) and i quote "it's an eric b & rakim song from the '80s" |
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uhm leCoeur, snobbiness yes, but what do you expect from someone who listens to "Intelligent Dance Music" as well? :P could you tell your BF that As for nelly, ja-rule etc. that s still not hiphop but it is mos definitely RnB. True, jay-z has his roots in hiphop and still makes a decent hiphop track now and then, but he's mostly doing RnB these days. I could mention jay-z isn't special as a rapper, neither is he bad. If you'd say Nas however, I'd have to say that he is one of most gifted rappers in the business, and I'm glad he has returned to his hiphop roots a bit more after releasing three albums of shite. So I am keeping it grounded in truth. It's just that it's apparently a thin line between RnB and hiphop. |
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in response 'and i paste and quote' "tell X-tomatic his definitions of hip-hop and r&b make no sense WHATSOEVER and that he's still using what he considers a derogatory and derisive term--that being "r&b"--simply because he's not a fan to ja rule, nelly, and jay-z, which is ignorant and hateful to the maximum and only serves to undermine his point about being openminded and tolerant." |
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that's a negative, RnB includes any form of singing, and is generally meant for dancefloors whereas hiphop is not. This does not have anything to do with the fact that I do not like jay-z nelly and ja rule |
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i'm pretty sure now that you know nothing about hip hop or rnb |
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That is what I've told you, when you stop comparing yourself to others, you will achieve true respect. Like me. And don't worry, this post is secret so none of the others will se it and flame you. |
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I'm seeing flames all over the place tho :rolleyes: |
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so to keep this nice topic from turning into a flamefest with some outsider, I'm gonna wrap up my posting in this thread. All that needed to be said has been said, le coeur's BF thinks he knows what is hiphop, and I know what is hiphop as well and I won't budge from that stance either regardless of how many people take my criticaster's side. All I can say is that I've lived hiphop intensely for the past 14 years or so, listening and participating in it with careful scrutiny. |
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haha.. lecoeur's bf = titsworth and yes, he does know what he's talking about |
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it seems the primary problems in this thread have stemmed from misunderstood terminology.. so much unofficial classification happens within the music world.. its just a breeding ground for petty arguements |
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I liek Prefuse n stuff, and some OL SKOOL hip hop, the beat is important for me ! |
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ninja, please |
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Thanks LeQuoteur! :) |
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ninja, please |
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Go the LeCoeur?s boyfriend guy, the only sensible voice in this thread. People just needs to get things straightened out. The ignorance displayed in this thread is amazing. |
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X-tomatic, i'm not here to "flame" you (i appreciate your contributions to this discussion), but if you've "lived hip-hop" then you should know that hip-hop was BORN on the dance floors.. it began when dj's, most notably kool herc and grandmaster flash, began experimenting with scratching and looping records.. soon the MC was introduced to get the crowd hyped. this eventually evolved into the more song-oriented hip-hop that we know today. // tell me, have you ever actually listened to a jay-z album? if so, instead of losing my patience with you and telling you what i think of his music (ironically i'm not a big fan of it; i, too, think nas and eminem are better, but i give respect where due. jay has some nice albums, and some REALLY nice songs, they just aren't often the singles.), why don't you tell me what makes his albums "r&b". |
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i'll throw my tuppence in here, i haven't heard much jay-z, what i have i have detested. anything on def jux or big dada is my bag, plus the prefuse, boom bip type stuff. and BoC of course :D |
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titsworth back on the scene :D kickin' ass and takin names... my ace in the hole. |
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yes i know you must like def jux, i have el-p's album too. i think they're great as well (especially mr. lif and aesop rock) but there's a lot more out there. let's keep to hip-hop w/ vocals in order to keep an easy to understand definition of the genre. there really are all types of emcees doing this music, so it's silly to put down one or the other just because it doesn't match one's personal taste. there're people like del, who's been mentioned in this thread, who does really smart, usually laid back sort of music that makes you laugh and makes you think. and you have more serious types like talib kweli and dead prez who REALLY make you think. and then there are some really good technical emcees like j-live who impress everybody. plus of course there are abstract types like cLOUDDEAD who make great music (but often get criticized by me for being meaningless, which wastes their opportunity to open their audience up to different topics/problems/situations). and you have more commercial types like jay-z, who can be even further subdivided by those who have something to say (jay-z, scarface, outkast, nas, eminem, etc.) and those who don't (nelly, ja rule, many others). these people are so important to hip-hop cos they reach millions of people. while jay-z does repeat subject matter a lot in his songs, he does have a respectable range of topics and he has made a lot of his listeners think about the situations and conditions he finds important. if you're not too hung up on what i call "white hip-hop" i recommend checking out his non-singles (he admits he puts out the most commercial songs as singles; smart business decision). so unless you want people to judge what you listen to based on a few unfair examples, i suggest not making gross generalizations about music you admit to not having heard too much of. and this goes for everyone else, not just deepspace9mm. p.s. have you seen the video for your namesake song? love it.. |
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I'm not much a fan of it when im sober, but when I'm stoned I can really get into rap... but it has to be the ones that have cool idm beats and such. |
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I apologize titsworth, I got a little red in the eyes over some comments, catching me off balance. I know it started as dancefloor music (actually I still think it's good to dance upon but ppl here start to do the annoying kriss kross dance whenever I put on some hiphop). Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater of Jay-Z, I think his first album reasonable doubt was dope, and I adored the 12" of dead presidents. I guess I was disappointed to see him slide off from the underground into the mainstream, however I cannot blame him for doing so as he's able to make tons of money while doing what he loves. I do still feel that 90% of what he is doing is R&B nowadays. Yes he flows nicely but I know lots of other mc's who may flow even nicer and they even have something to say. Just because a guy raps in a song doesn't make the song hiphop. I admit I cannot explain with cold facts why it is so, call it a gut feeling developed after lots of years of being into it. I guess it's a enumeration of lots of different aspects, such as lyrical content, singers involved, type of sound etc. A song can still be hiphop if singing is involved (take eminems stan for big example) but if I take rainy days by mary j blige and ja rule it's R&B. I didn't mind that song but it's just not hiphop. I'm not good at explaining things, I'm just good at feeling it inside. Having said all that, we're straying way off topic here. Maybe we should start a new one: what defines hiphop? |
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WORD! *cut chi WAH WAH* tee hee =0) |
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Lets take a look at what Mr. Del has to say on the subject. Hieroglyphics- At the Helm: Here we go Chorus: Life is a blast when you know what you're doin Best to know what you're doin 'fore your life get ruined Life is a thrill when your skill is developed If you ain't got a skill or trade, then shut the hell up Verse One: My rhymes is like droppin your head on cement Crackin it open hopin to make a dent; I'm hell-bent on resurrection, per-fection Lesson #1: rekindle the essence Rap ain't about bustin caps and fuckin bitches It's about fluency with rhymin ingenuity All of this is new to me, see I peep rhymes with scrutiny, under a microscope I walk a tightrope A thin line between insanity and sanity mixed with a little vanity, boostin the morality with Hiero hospitality, soon to strike it rich like calories, salaries, ahh sounds like a plan And, I will expand hip-hop as well Might even kick a little impromptu, to stomp you weaklings, speaking things foreign to the human ear that, you will fear now, whether you like it or not Blood clots on your little life on the situation and on the stipulations... the shit you wastin time on you pawns, it was planned like that But we can fight back, like David Horowitz and say we want no more of this and put it in a cyrogenic status Replace it with the latest in technology Hip-Hop policies that demolish ya follies Olly olly oxen free, get off of me You can't see this, your defeatist attitude'll get you nowhere fast, I tend to my task cause |
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Chorus: repeat 2X Verse Two: Don't even start on the next man, let's scan your situation, you still have no patience Flip on niggaz, rob niggaz, even family All the way up to your moms -- you can't stand to be in the house, but when you kicked out you beggin to come back in then the same old skit happens You say you rappin but you don't know the essence Just hoe slap and bustin caps is your message Plus every time I put some scrill down, you steal it If that's your way of teachin me a lesson I don't feel it Your raps reflect your life and that's a shame cause the way you're soundin, you must think that it's a game I can see if you came from the ghetto, but you came from the Meadow -- you really need to let that go You got no respect for hip-hop, and you tryin to rhyme Biding your time and I find it a crime I even tried to bury the hatchet man Cause we all African, you wanna be a rapper start practicin, you can't even flow right Spend most of your time fuckin hoes, getting in fights Hangin out, with no mission in life And you're missing your life, and you'll be missing out on life I won't sweat you for that G you stole cause if you're still alive, I'll be there to see you fold Told ya! |
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Chorus: repeat 2X Verse Three: You could be a rapper an actor a gun clapper A comedian providing laughter as a bachelor A pastor of a chapter, a doctor, a lawyer A fireman, a hired hand, whether boy or girl it's your world your future you control it Whatever you do, early on, is how you mold it I record it, sold it, told it to you Mr. Del wouldn't tell you nothin that ain't true, because Chorus Think you're able to label the Hiero sound? You still haven't found a comparable variable You think you're able to label the Hiero sound? You still haven't found a comparable variable All you marks... YEAH! This the freshest shit and you know it |
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