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yeah but actual poverty is lower here too... we have more extensive welfare and other social services... violent or not, there are fewer people living in poverty here per capita anyway when some new yorker said something like "well theres less poverty in canada" he was like "ohh but the unemployment rates twice as high!" as if he were trying to show that to be a misconception, and it was definitely implying that its not a factor in considering why murder rates are lower it was misleading at worst, and simply irrelavent at best imo that was my impression anyway |
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...its not that i didn't like the movie.. i just thought it was intellectually sloppy... like, if it were an essay being marked by a teacher, there'd be red pen all over it with comments like "unclear!" "what do you mean?" "what is your point?" "youre contradicting yourself" etc it was more thought provoking than informative... that may have been his point |
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Great movie. But was he in the RIGHT CANADA? Very strange representation of my country. |
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it's a muddled point, i'll give you that.. i haven't seen the movie in a few months so i can't say much more. and i agree it's definitely not a formal documentary, he sacrificed a lot of clarity for overall effect, which i think is a good thing.. but he should write an essay or make a dvd featurette to clear up things, because the facts are on his side. |
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yeah... whats with all those people who leave their doors unlocked??? |
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whis all are that? i saw him ask one person and try one door :) |
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Give me a transcript of his tangent at the Grammys and I'll point out why this guy's full of shit. |
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well i was half jojking.. but he did try more than one door, and the ppl in the bar said they dont lock either |
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They don't. All of that was prerehearsed. |
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well, its kind of normal to keep doors unlocked where i live...thats if people are at home i think there were like two burglaries in 30 years in my street (i hope this doesnt sound like an invitation tho hehe) |
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oh yea? prove it was "prerehearsed." |
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Give me a little while to find my source. In the meantime, prove it wasn't. |
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if nothing else that heston interview sounded pretty serious...though he is an actor... |
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i give him the benefit of the doubt. i also see a big difference between telling someone what you're going to do before you film them and "prerehearsing." it's being considerate and appreciative, and it's not wasting time. if he found research that said 15 out of 20 doors on your average canadian block are left unlocked, he's not going to walk up to 20 doors and film them all. not only would he waste time on the 5 locked doors (which, you could argue, should be included if it's that significant a number, but then you would be taking the scene literally instead of figuratively) it would also be rude to the residents to open up their door and stick a camera in their face. he probably did it for real off-camera, explained, asked permission, and re-filmed. that's part of filmmaking, not deception. |
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I'm definately not saying that there wasn't any truth to Bowling for Columbine but the means by which Michael Moore presented many of his points were downright dishonest and misleading. He quoted misinformation numerous times and even went as far as blatantly distorting media. Patronizing his work because the overall message is semi-alligned with your cause is a pretty petty thing to do. Even for you. |
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you have no support for your claims that he's quoting misinformation, being misleading or dishonest. i'm really not going to debate this with you until you have some kind of support for your ridiculous claims you obviously formed after reading that republican propoganda piece of shit "essay." |
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I'm pretty convinced that you voice your opinion solely for the sake of hearing yourself talk. This site unearths the truth from that "propoganda" piece of shit 'Bowling for Columbine' : http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. |
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yes i know Cabbog, there was a thread about this a few weeks ago. you and i both posted on it. it's a bullshit article completely guilty of the distortion it claims of michael moore. i voice my opinion cos i want to... but i no longer want to voice it on this topic until you make some solid points, which you've yet to do. that article is not legitimate so if that's your proof you should keep digging. i think you voice YOUR opinion on this just cos you want to be contrary since most people were impressed. |
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all this talk about opinions is making me a bit hungry |
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"that article is not legitimate" Prove it. Michael Moore is a grotesquely overweight individual that obviously cares nothing for his health or physical appearance. If he doesn't care about his own welfare, why should I believe he cares about that of anyone else? I mean, can you imagine the effect that "documentary" had on all the 13 year olds that went to see it? |
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i think it's pretty clear that america and the media it feeds on is unhealthily fixated on fear and denial. i can hardly believe you are convinced otherwise. it didn't take the documentary to let me know that our culture is severely diseased. |
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"i can hardly believe you are convinced otherwise" Neither can I -- What did I say that lead you to believe that? |
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i thought you disagreed with moore's assertions... and that was pretty key to the film |
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forinstance, you call the film propaganda |
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I live in Canada.. and hm I lock my doors and most people I know lock their doors. It's kinda comon sense unless you live in a small town or something.. maybe. |
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I saw it tonight glad it has been done |
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yeah it's a nice film |
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while I think Capitalism is very beneficial to the overall quality of life we experience, I do think it dredgs up the worst in people, a la Michael Moore. He's just doing what Fox news does, adds a provacative spin to something that people think they need to see. When I am king, he will be first against the wall. |
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forgive him father for he knows not what he does.. btw capitalism may be beneficial for (most of) us, but what about 3rd world countries? do they matter to you at all? |
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I have to say, that article is a lot more convincing than Bowling for Columbine. It is presented in a far more academic and straight manner. It provides links to back up its points, I've found nothing to suggest any of the "facts" it states are untrue. When watching the film, I found it entertaining, but was concerned over how seriously to consider it a documentary. It was apparent to me (and I know very little about film) that a lot of deceptive editing occured, this article simply confirmed that for me and pointed out some that I hadn't spotted. |
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That article is nothing more than a right-wing nutcases' ramblings. What's he got to be so defensive about? Is he scared that Michael Moore is exposing the truth. the blatant truth........ |
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...And i think what many cynical conspiracy theorists are failing to realise is that Moore made this documentary(or whatever you want to call it), not to distort facts, not to win an Oscar, but to point out the awful and increasingly worse problem of guns in America. That's the bottom line. Guns kill lives, ruin families, promote disorder. Isn't what moore pointing out commendable? Or will some of you claim he is making it up?......... |
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nope, it's all fake. michael moore worked with both pixar and george lucas to create this beautiful and magical work of fiction. |
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Michael Moore is a grotesquely overweight individual that obviously cares nothing for his health or physical appearance. If he doesn't care about his own welfare, why should I believe he cares about that of anyone else? i haven't read such nonsense in a while i agree with mc_303 on this |
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i love it when people try to talk about ralph nader or michael moore without realizing or knowing anything about their long history of works and/or accomplishments |
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i mean basically that's saying that because he's fat and isn't bothered by it, he can never be a kind of person that is concerned about innocent people being shot (by lunatics who can get hold of guns very easily) where do you come up with this? it wasn't you by accident writing that article ey? btw i agree with tits and a lot of others too on this matter |
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Wholly fuck - titsworth and conformist should cool it. Shut up or I'll shut you up! |
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i don't even remember conformist.. old thread dude |
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He's the guy that you fought with ;) |
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oh THAT guy! man, that was legendary, the only guy i've ever gotten into an argument with on here ;) |
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i liked it when the guy protesting marilyn manson goes something like: "not everyone who listens to manson's music is going to be affected, but not everyone who sees a Lexus ad is going to go buy a Lexus.. BUT A FEW DO!!" ..such idiocy.. |
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man, how does a third world country fit into this picture any more than capitalism is doing as mcuh to help African coutries as Mr. Moore is. He knows damn well what he does, it's a wind up just like those right wing asshats on television. Michael Moore should be taken with a grain of salt just like every other hollywood feature flick. |
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"forgive him father for he knows not what he does" was in about what you were saying and talking about doing i think everyone and everything should be taken with a grain of salt, not at face value |
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oh, then that was a cheeky and fun reply. titsworth keeps 'em guessing. |
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