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ok, so the church tells you NOT to use contraceptives under punishment of enternal damnation... you listen and follow.. now you have aids (keep in mind that you are uneducated, illiterate (so u cant read the bible for urself), and living in poverty) how is that NOT the churches fault?!?! |
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thats a bit of a generalisation but to some extent true |
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aminal: i dont know why you're being so mean and spiteful, it's really not cool if anyone tells you to do anything it's up to you whether or not you want to do it. there are thousands who come out of povert and oppression and just want some peace and quiet -- not revenge |
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(aminal i apologize, i thought you were calling me uneducated + illiterate etc.. lol..) |
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look everyone! a circle -- right there! isn't is beautiful? |
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but honestly -- those problems were all brought upon twisted views of christianity - fit to the needs of a central governing power that demanded 150% control over their people |
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i never said anything about revenge.... im just saying that a church has a HUGE responsibility when it is the only source of education, and it tells a bunch of illiterate, uneducated people what to think and do..... ...of course they'll listen, the church is the main authority in their life! the catholic church (or any orginization in that position of power) betrayed taht responisbility when it tells them to do something stupid.. |
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lol |
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oh, hehe thats ok ok nm then:) |
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sometimes the church itself IS that power not in our society, where the church and state have been seperated... and religion has little real power these days but in other countries, and here in the past |
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right - and that's partly what i'm talking about. religion/church are different things |
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well, surely humans had morals before religion, right? i mean, what led to the establishment of religion in the 1st place? (rhetorical qu.) |
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this discussion has progressed, not to a point where anyone can claim an idea for reform, but maybe it would get there. Actually, someone asked for the definition of religion. Originiality is a bit hard to prove, but I would suggest that this point of view has not been raised as such. I prefer to be argued based on what I originially provided as a thesis. Otherwise the discussion gets lost easily in people's connotation of a judeo-christian dictionary |
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echo is right. |
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fine, lets talk about ur original thesis: "religion should be about compassion and love, not hatred and shit like that" (pretty loose translation) all i was saying is that thats what religion is to YOU its something different to ancient mayans who sacrificed people to gods..... whos to say ur right? i agree, ur way is much nicer and i would prefer it.. but dont think theres such a things as THE CORRECT belief.. |
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which point of view has not been raised as such? |
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Reading through this topic is putting me to sleep... religion has always been a non factor in my mind, I'm my OWN God... it always bores me to tears to hear people argue on about it. It's such a hot topic, and yet I'm so disinterested... :-) It's up there with golf... as soon as I hear the words ''religion'' or ''golf'', anything like that, I just start snoring. |
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with that - all "holy war" is - is just humans disagreeing with eachother - and not because of religion religion may have influenced them to do it but there isnt a religion on the planet that says "go kill people" |
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blue calx |
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god yeah - golf - what a fucking waste of good land -- dig holes, and tell people who dont wanna play golf to fuck off and get off the land -- motherfucking elitists |
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and you like talking about yourself i have noticed.... |
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I don't believe in the time I have been here that anyone has raised the validity of religion compared to social trends. More simply, I don't know of a thread started by a person of faith that screams to know why religion has gone so far down hill and isn't about the virtures on which it was founded. Ophecks, no offense, but religion has been one of the most important factors in shaping the world as it is today. I guess history is boring, but even you must get sucked into provacative stories of wars or conquests of the past? I think also people can get into the ideaology of religion, wonder why it isn't that way anymore, and possible seek to reform it. I just find it hard to see it as such a drawl topic as you do. |
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hahaha, marlowe, have you heard the George Carlin comedy bit about that? He basicaly suggests the same thing, turn golfcourses into land for homes for the homeless. Great bit, hilarious, d/l if you can. I totally agree with you. |
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There's nothing bad about religion, or talking about it, and I know it's important... But like Sido said, I just wanted to talk about myself! :-/ ME ME ME!!! Or something... I guess my religious upbringing has turned me against it. Always being forced by my mom to go every Sunday... blarg. |
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yeah, forced fire and brimstone religion isn't healthy, way to negative, i do believe that teaching in a positive and honest manner is much more able to convey all the teachings of all religions. Maybe that's just me though. |
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noted, echo - i'll search for it - i unfortunately, live in a community infested with golf courses :( |
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ophecks, sometimes these conversations are more interesting if you have taken part all the way through...(and I don't mean that as a dig) |
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dead is god |
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Do what you will, believe what you want but at the end I will get the last laugh. |
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