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**I'll try to keep this short, you should know this is a culmination of a few posts over the months, and you should also know I am a rather religious person. (please actually read the whole thing if you are going to respond.......) That said, it is my observation that the point of religion has been lost in a myriad of political and social struggles that continue to diminish what religion is really about. Most religions I am aware of teach love, compassion, trust, faith. All these things, to every human being, ALL of them. So what the fuck is the deal with hating on someone who is homosexual? Most churches think that homosexuality is unnatural, that is fine, KKK people still don't like African Americas, everyone can think what they want. The problem arises though, with what is the most powerful message of religion. Is it compassion and love, or contempt and hatred? The people kill me the most are the Right Wing Religious zealots who say, "I hate fags" HOLY FUCKING SHIT, that is the exact opposite of the virtures tought in bibles, and other holy books. The WTC thing, no religion would condone that, the Koran contains such good lessons about humilty and kindness. What God would condone sensless killing, violence in the face of reason? What God would condone violence towards homosexuals?? No God would, if I may be so bold. No one's God would put hate and evil over even at the worst, turning the other cheak towards hate and oppression. The most important foundations of relgion, love, kindness, compassion, charity, for ALL humans, has been pushed aside today to make room for political and social events. Those who claim to be religious then can't stand homosexuals, won't support their fellow humans, aren't religious and they are ruining the teachings of their respective Gods. The most important messages of most religions will always be wonderful virtues of human compassion and goodness, It is the greatest shame and blight on religion around the world that people choose to co |
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***it chopped off the last bit.....damn*** The most important messages of most religions will always be wonderful virtues of human compassion and goodness, It is the greatest shame and blight on religion around the world that people choose to completely ignore everything that religion was deisgned to be....... |
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must go to BLISSTONIA -- the leader is our friend...the movementarians are good people -- yes |
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amen. |
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sometimes I regret posting anything other than mindless banter....... at least there are a few people here like B3n who will actually think about this thesis and maybe post their thoughts. Yes yes, it's the internet, my pants aren't on fire, but for fuck's sake, I think we can get some educated peopel to come out of the woodwork..... |
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NIGGA!!!! |
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I go to church every Sunday, but I can only tolerate it because there's lots of cute religious girls there to gawk at. |
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cygnus, that wasn't directed at you, just marlowe, I replied before I saw your reply |
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lol relax -- i know exhore explain now why you keep saying that word |
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I'm fairly religious, and I try not to judge anyone for anything... it's not my place to judge anyways... I do agree with what you said... I really don't understand the point in judging people because of their differences, since when are differences bad? And really, if the Christian religion views homosexuality as bad, it's not the peoples place to judge now is it... a lot of people nowadays are hypocrites, not every religious person mind you, but a lot... |
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im going to try it |
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NIGGA!!!!! |
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funk: ontop of that, the christian religion doesn't view homosexuals as bad - the BIBLE says that homosexuality is a sin. |
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The BIBLE does teach Homosexuality is a sin, but however, it doesn't mean that God hates you. God loves everybody, no matter if you are straight or gay, black or white, male or female. He loves everybody. |
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yes I know... but the Christian religion follows the bible now doesn't it? I meant that, I just figured it's pretty much the same thing, but I guess not... however, many Christians do view homosexuals as bad I'm sure... I've been raised in a christian family, and that is one thing I've had a hard to time understanding, the fact that homosexuality is considered a sin, but it's a physiological characteristic of people, not a choice... |
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fuck you, you patronising motherfucker (to BlatantEcho) before you judge my fucking intelligence, why not find out more about it -- and why not find out which satirical programme features the movementarians and the planet blisstonia |
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right -- so whenever someone comes along claiming your sexual preference is the reason why there's WAR in the universe or whatever -- its his own personal bias and not what he was taught in bible school |
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that's the thing, God loves everyone, but people have turned religion into a rotten, fucked up thing... I look at some religions (I won't say names) and they are so formulaic, "Ok, this is how we do this, and this is how we do that. We cannot vary this at all." And I find that in some religions today, people have way too much power... I mean, if you believe in a certain religion, it's the God, or gods that you're worshiping, not the priests, or people involved in the religion... |
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When religious people debate things they often use the bible as a reference and they show different proofs on how it is wrong with homosexuality etc... the thing is....the bible was written by lots of different people with different ideas of what is right and wrong and is full of contradictions and errors. It names different kings (like Herodes) that didn't even exist in that time period but later on haha!! And it was written thousands of years ago!!!! Now its 2002!!!!!!! but no!!! lets follow the bible people!! |
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I agree... if anyone wants to know what Christianity is about, I would say to them to read the bible and look at how Jesus lived... not how Christians live today because noone is perfect, and I think a lot of people look at Christians expecting perfection, or looking for mistakes so they can condemn Christians... |
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*cough* the simpsons......*cough* I wasn't patronising either, I was simply responding to your first post, stating I wish people didn't respond in that fashion to something I put a lot of thought into |
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well, Christians believe that the bible was written by people, but was given to the people by God... now, you might think this stupid, but that's what Christians believe... |
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That's right, it teaches that homosexuality is wrong, but nowhere does it say "Go gay bashing". Lots of the problems relating to religion seem to stem from people choosing to do God's job (judging and punishing). I'm a non-denominational Christian, but it doesn't mean that I go around telling people they're evil (as one fundamentalist "Christian" told me...) nor do I have a go at my friends who have different beliefs. If you want to influence people that your religion is good, you should be a good example. Personally I can't stand these bigots who claim to be Christians and then fund "holy wars" for example. |
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Nigga is the funniest word to say! |
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yep! thats pretty stupid.... |
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people are allowed to follow whatever they like. |
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people do horrible things all the time in the name of god and religion.... often, people just use religion as an excuse to do the things they WOULD do anyway... for example homophobic peopl and racists people find excuses for their beliefs in the bible.. then caring/loving people back up theirs w/ the bible too its so huge and vague that u can find something to justify almost anything in there..... the other thing i dont like is when people just blindly follow the beliefs they are tought.... thats how we get all the shit in this world but also, i know a few religious pepole who actually admit that if it were not for the threat of hell.... they would go ahead and steal, and do a few other very bad things which i will not mention... wtf is that!??! if ur only being good to avoid some fairy tale fictional place.... than has religion actually accomplyshed anything? i mean, if ur not actually being good to be good... but only to avoid punishment, then..... well i dont think jesus would like that at all |
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noted. |
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I agree man... it's not words that make as much difference, but your actions... I don't go around judging people because it's not my place... |
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:-D! |
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well, there are millions of people in the world who believe it... |
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shit, so you put some fucking thought into it -- so what? you're just retreading banal pathways -- why not spare us your preaching from the MB lectern? if you're gonna think, why not try to come up with something either original or witty? |
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who ever believes in god is braindead i mean, hello? does september 11 ring a bell?.. |
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the bible says that bad things will always happen because of humans |
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and so do i |
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the other thing is: what makes you think YOUR holy text was written by god? theres nothing to suggest it was... except for that very text i mean, if i wrote something, then said it was given to me by god, would you believe me? of course not! also, then what about all the other holy texts around the world, that may contradict or differ from yours? are all THOSE people crazy, you just happened to pick the right one, the real one, and all those people (and all the other religions in history that have since died) wrong? |
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right, God didn't cause September 11th, people did... |
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you and funkmaster go to church!? I just believe in a kind of personal god that doesn't exist, i've just got to do what I believe is right. To be a good person I shouldn't have to have a book to tell me to do so, to give to charity etc. I'd like to think that i'm a good enough person to give to charity without having to be prompted. We all have a conscience and religion is just something that reminds you of that (though some ofcourse tell you the complete opposite..) Sorry that wasn't at you Ophecks. On that note..MY BRAIN HURTS!! |
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the bible was written by some guy then 100 years later some idiot picked it up and worshipped it |
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Hmmm, I don't go to church anymore... maybe I should... I dunno, I'm even really a Christian now, just trying to figure things out... but I do believe alot of the things about Christianity... |
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Wit doesn't apply to something like this, so we can discard that. Tell me how this wasn't original, and if this isn't, what is? You want me to get relative on you? Honestly, preaching would require me to prescribe a course of action, which I did not do here except suggesting reform might be needed. I don't think you know what you are saying, or somewhere from brain to keyboard, the translation is getting lost. I did put lots of thought into this and tried to be unbiased, so far a bunch of people have added to it. If you want to take me down, attack some of my ideas, not the fact that I posted something that you are having trouble responding to in context. |
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i=atheist |
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"who ever believes in god is braindead i mean, hello? does september 11 ring a bell?.." As long as you aren't insinuating all Muslims are braindead.. |
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actually the bible was written by many different people, in different places, different times.... the new testament wasn't even put into writing until a few generations after jesus... |
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Soul Seek rules, now THATS religion |
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fine, you are an atheist, but must you call all Christians braindead, and idiots? I find it funny that most EVERYONE who isn't a Christian, but claims to be good bashes the religion saying it's stupid... but if a Christian does it, they're hypocrites... |
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or does something like that... |
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All the christians I know are absolute nobbers..these sad people who have told me only the other day i'm going to hell because i'm not a christian and its the "hard truth" syheah, right. |
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ex: a bunch of different people wrote the bible -- its composed of different books you aren't just judging one single book you haven't read by judging the bible -- you're judging about 66 |
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ExHore, your comments are just the same as a blindly religious person who proclaims "All fags are gunna burn!" Atheisim is your bag, but I figure most blanket statments like that are unproductive at best. Furthmore, prove that I am braindead. |
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