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           optimus prime
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 of all the books i've read, i believe these to be required  reading for everyone who's alive:
 
  Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll Don Quixote by Cervantes The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro Ulysses by James Joyce To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
  i'm not including Cult Books or superficial stuff like that.  these are the books that i truly believe add meaning to  life.
 
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           IronLung
             from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2007-08-28 22:14 [#02115536]
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Fear and Loathing
 
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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really?
 
  
         
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           fleetmouse
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Cat in the Hat TV Guide Digg Batman
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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see, now this is a *real* answer. totally full of joie de  vivre. 
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
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Of those I've only read 1984 by Orwell. Generally I pass on  the thick literature stuff in favor of a quick fantasy  novel. Not to say it's bad, i'm just never in the mood for  it. Give me Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time before Dickens and  I'll be happy.
 
  Alice In Wonderland looks slightly out of place with the  rest of your books up there; I've always thought of it as  (intended) popular fiction for it's time rather than a great  literary undertaking (like War and Peace.) I've never read  it though so I'm probably mistaken. 
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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it's subversive literature that satirised the mannerisms and  politics of the time. outside of that, it's the most gleeful  romp into absurdity one can read, and will have you grinning  ear-to-ear like the cheshire cat. i can't imagine a person  going through life without reading it.
 
  if you like big fantasy series then i think you'd enjoy war  and peace if you gave it a chance. it doesn't have the  fantasy stuff, of course, but it has the same addicting  quality. just think of it as an entire series collected in  one book if the length seems too daunting. 
 
  
         
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and if you do ever read war and peace then i recommend going  with the new anthony briggs translation, which modernises it  without being cheesy. in fact his translation adds a lot  more impact for the modern reader. 
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
             from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-08-28 23:22 [#02115547]
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Length isnt a problem for me if the story is good. I'll look  into War and Peace. I think one of the reasons I've shyed  away from the big classics is because that community of  readers and writers generally do not accept popular fiction  as true literature. There's sort of an arrogance about  what's real writing and what isnt. A goog book is a good  book, whether it's about aliens coming through peoples cell  phones or a little girl surviving the Holocaust. 
 
  
         
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           obara
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biographies of musicians, interview collections
 
  
         
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           big
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go study literature to get perspective on things. high  literature is just another genre. 
 
  i think war and peace was briljant, mostly for the great way  it displayed things (realism) and maybe it's the archetype  for soap as well. i think it is not that much literature as  all the characteres, in retrospect, are cliched.
  i do want to read a large part of your list for the same  reason you read the bible, they are part of our culture,  well and i reckon they are written pretty good 
 
  
         
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           Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 02:29 [#02115560]
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Aristotle - The Nichomachean Ethics Kierkegaard - Collected works (or at least The Concept of  Dread and Either/Or)
  All of Kafka's books Sartre - Being and Nothingness Plato - Phaedrus
 
  
         
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           J198
             from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2007-08-29 02:52 [#02115563]
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i finished 'never let me go' a while back. it was OK.
  i believe huxley's brave new world and the doors of  perception are on my list. 
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 03:33 [#02115575]
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Vladimir Nabokov - Ada or Ardor 
  I cannot praise this book enough. Absolutely superb.
  Robert M. Pirsig - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle  Maintenance
 
  Best philosophy book I've read. Best "philosophy of work"  that I've ever come across, too. 
 
  
         
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           swears
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I never learned to read!
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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I've just started reading Moby-Dick. I believe it's classed  as Essential.
 
  The worst list on here so far is Drunken Mastah's... by a  country mile! That's not a reading list.. it's a  punishment for being literate! 
 
  
         
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           swears
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Those books are "complex pleasures".
 
  
         
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           Indeksical
             from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-08-29 04:27 [#02115589]
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People read philosophy books because they need some  non-commital existential bollocks to explain why theyre such  a prick. 
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 04:30 [#02115592]
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           Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:05 [#02115602]
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Hahaha, I find most fiction books unbearably boring,  though... Tedious in-depth explanations of surroundings and  the appearance of every character involved in the story with  awkward explanations of their expressions (facial or  otherwise) are the worst parts, but there's also something  about the common implementation of dialogue and explanation  of actions that annoys me. 
 
  
         
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           Drunken Mastah
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I find that most people read what they read because (a) they  like it and (b) because they think it's important. It's  usually a combination, but it can be either.
 
  I've also always found it weird that when someone makes a  "top 100" (or whatever) list of books, they seem to think  that only fiction qualifies as reading. There was a list of  "top 10 most important books" or something in a newspaper a  while back, and I dare argue that the Nichomachean ethics  have been way more important than Erlend Loe's  "L." 
 
  
         
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           Drunken Mastah
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I also find that the opposite is true of the news: Too  little in-depth discussion and explanation. Maybe someone  should make some writers of fiction write newspaper articles  and tell them the data, the actual information, is the  landscape their "story" is set in.. maybe then we'd get some  decent articles. 
 
  
         
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           Monoid
             from one source all things depend on 2007-08-29 05:11 [#02115605]
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MEIN KAMPF
 
  
         
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           dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2007-08-29 05:42 [#02115608]
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You're talking about bad litterature, not fiction books.
  Here's a listlist
  Days and Nights by Alfred Jarry Molloy, Malone Dies, The Unnamable by Samuel Beckett 120 Days of Sodom by the Marquis de Sade The Practice of Everyday Life by Michel de Certeau The Castle by Franz Kafka The Adventures of Baron Münchhausen The Goosebumps collection The Songs of Maldoror by the Comte de Lautréamont Nadja by André Breton Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
 
  
         
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           dariusgriffin
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besides aristotle is a cunt
 
  
         
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           big
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sade i want to read to because amorality is kewl
  i think siddhartha is pretty ace, and the foundation series  by asimov 
 
  
         
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           _gvarek_
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nobody mentioned poetry, so The Wasteland by T.S.  Eliot 
 
  
         
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           dariusgriffin
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Maldoror is poetry, but thank god it's in prose.
 
  
         
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           swears
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This looks quite good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Solution
 
  
         
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           nanotech
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The Tibetan Book of the Dead: The Great Liberation throug...
  The Dhammapada: The Sayings of the Buddha (Oxford World's...
 
  
         
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           Barcode
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Wilhelm Reich - Listen, Little Man! Kahlil Gibran - The Prophet UG Krishnamurti - Mind Is A Myth Jiddu Krishnamurti - Questioning Krishnamurti ... (for  idiots) 
 
  
         
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           nanotech
             from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2007-08-29 07:44 [#02115649]
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Gibran's The Prophet...good one!
  While living on Maui, Felix, a good friend of mine would  perform the book live...he had each line and chapter  memorized, and would perform it with the audience passing  around a sheet of the chapters, and calling out "Prophet,  tell us of LOVE!" or "Prophet, tell us of CHILDREN"
 
  Then Felix would quote in a deep and wise tone...
  "Hmmmmmmmm, your children are not your children, but life  yerning to pass through you!" 
 
  or something to that extent...
 
  
         
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           swears
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595094724?...
 
  
         
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           010101
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Some that are missing from the list:
  Catcher in The Rye - JD Salinger Islands in the Stream- Ernest Hemmingway The Dark Tower books (7) -Steven King Ground Beneath Her Feet - Salman Rushdie
 
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 10:13 [#02115704]
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Yes, Catcher in the Rye is really good.
 
  
         
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           Sclah
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Does Murakami's work qualify for lists like these? He's an  expert on Blurry border between reality and dream
 
  The only "absolute classics" I've read: Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment: I enjoyed some parts but  founds others a bit tedious, specifically the themes of an  anguished soul, praying for salvation etc. Too  melodramatic.
  Kafka's The Trial and The Castle. Really enjoyed these two,  enthralling.
  Camus' The Fall: Read this mostly because the band is named  after it. Don't think I really "got it" completely.  Existensial crisis, exaggerated self-examination etc. 
 
  
         
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           Sclah
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           misantroll
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Theodore Sturgeon - Thinking cristal
 
  
         
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I heard if you take a dump and flush the toilet while  reading Alice in Wonderland it will sync perfectly to what's  going on in the book 
 
  
         
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           NeroX
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Mashah do you like Nietzshe?  As for books I've enjoyed; 48 Laws Of Power, Brave New  World, 1984,Slaughterhouse-Five, and The Celestine Prophecy 
 
  
         
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           OK
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what dead thing?
 
  
         
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           OK
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*death
 
  
         
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           goDel
             from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-08-29 22:13 [#02115943]
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           fleetmouse
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The Odyssey by Homer, translated by Robert Fagles, is quite  lovely. I recommend it before or after The Death. 
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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           dariusgriffin
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I've got Don Quixote at hand's reach, the two tomes, and I  really really want to read it but it's BIG. 
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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not only is it an engrossing read but it's positively  dripping with metafictional qualities. if you like  how godard films know that they're films then you'll enjoy  how don quixote is aware that it's a book. by the end it  becomes a book about a book about a book about the book  you're reading. 
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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just be aware that it digresses even more than gravity's  rainbow. 
 
  
         
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           dariusgriffin
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Oh I know, I'm sure it's awesome, but more than 1300 pages  is quite a commitment.
 
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           optimus prime
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