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offline optimus prime on 2007-08-28 22:10 [#02115533]
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of all the books i've read, i believe these to be required
reading for everyone who's alive:

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
Don Quixote by Cervantes
The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro
Ulysses by James Joyce
To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell
Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak
War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy

i'm not including Cult Books or superficial stuff like that.
these are the books that i truly believe add meaning to
life.

what are your picks?


 

offline IronLung from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2007-08-28 22:14 [#02115536]
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Fear and Loathing



 

offline optimus prime on 2007-08-28 22:15 [#02115537]
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really?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2007-08-28 22:23 [#02115538]
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Cat in the Hat
TV Guide
Digg
Batman


 

offline optimus prime on 2007-08-28 22:33 [#02115539]
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see, now this is a *real* answer. totally full of joie de
vivre.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-08-28 23:04 [#02115541]
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Of those I've only read 1984 by Orwell. Generally I pass on
the thick literature stuff in favor of a quick fantasy
novel. Not to say it's bad, i'm just never in the mood for
it. Give me Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time before Dickens and
I'll be happy.

Alice In Wonderland looks slightly out of place with the
rest of your books up there; I've always thought of it as
(intended) popular fiction for it's time rather than a great
literary undertaking (like War and Peace.) I've never read
it though so I'm probably mistaken.


 

offline optimus prime on 2007-08-28 23:10 [#02115543]
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it's subversive literature that satirised the mannerisms and
politics of the time. outside of that, it's the most gleeful
romp into absurdity one can read, and will have you grinning
ear-to-ear like the cheshire cat. i can't imagine a person
going through life without reading it.

if you like big fantasy series then i think you'd enjoy war
and peace if you gave it a chance. it doesn't have the
fantasy stuff, of course, but it has the same addicting
quality. just think of it as an entire series collected in
one book if the length seems too daunting.


 

offline optimus prime on 2007-08-28 23:12 [#02115545]
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and if you do ever read war and peace then i recommend going
with the new anthony briggs translation, which modernises it
without being cheesy. in fact his translation adds a lot
more impact for the modern reader.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-08-28 23:22 [#02115547]
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Length isnt a problem for me if the story is good. I'll look
into War and Peace. I think one of the reasons I've shyed
away from the big classics is because that community of
readers and writers generally do not accept popular fiction
as true literature. There's sort of an arrogance about
what's real writing and what isnt. A goog book is a good
book, whether it's about aliens coming through peoples cell
phones or a little girl surviving the Holocaust.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2007-08-28 23:58 [#02115549]
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biographies of musicians, interview collections


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-08-29 00:56 [#02115556]
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go study literature to get perspective on things. high
literature is just another genre.

i think war and peace was briljant, mostly for the great way
it displayed things (realism) and maybe it's the archetype
for soap as well. i think it is not that much literature as
all the characteres, in retrospect, are cliched.
i do want to read a large part of your list for the same
reason you read the bible, they are part of our culture,
well and i reckon they are written pretty good


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 02:29 [#02115560]
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Aristotle - The Nichomachean Ethics
Kierkegaard - Collected works (or at least The Concept of
Dread and Either/Or)
All of Kafka's books
Sartre - Being and Nothingness
Plato - Phaedrus


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2007-08-29 02:52 [#02115563]
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i finished 'never let me go' a while back. it was OK.

i believe huxley's brave new world and the doors of
perception are on my list.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 03:33 [#02115575]
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Vladimir Nabokov - Ada or Ardor

I cannot praise this book enough. Absolutely superb.

Robert M. Pirsig - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Maintenance

Best philosophy book I've read. Best "philosophy of work"
that I've ever come across, too.


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 03:39 [#02115577]
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I never learned to read!


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-08-29 04:12 [#02115583]
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I've just started reading Moby-Dick. I believe it's classed
as Essential.

The worst list on here so far is Drunken Mastah's... by a
country mile! That's not a reading list.. it's a
punishment for being literate!


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 04:16 [#02115584]
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Those books are "complex pleasures".


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-08-29 04:27 [#02115589]
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People read philosophy books because they need some
non-commital existential bollocks to explain why theyre such
a prick.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 04:30 [#02115592]
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Ha ha ha!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:05 [#02115602]
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Hahaha, I find most fiction books unbearably boring,
though... Tedious in-depth explanations of surroundings and
the appearance of every character involved in the story with
awkward explanations of their expressions (facial or
otherwise) are the worst parts, but there's also something
about the common implementation of dialogue and explanation
of actions that annoys me.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:09 [#02115603]
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I find that most people read what they read because (a) they
like it and (b) because they think it's important. It's
usually a combination, but it can be either.

I've also always found it weird that when someone makes a
"top 100" (or whatever) list of books, they seem to think
that only fiction qualifies as reading. There was a list of
"top 10 most important books" or something in a newspaper a
while back, and I dare argue that the Nichomachean ethics
have been way more important than Erlend Loe's
"L."


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-08-29 05:10 [#02115604]
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I also find that the opposite is true of the news: Too
little in-depth discussion and explanation. Maybe someone
should make some writers of fiction write newspaper articles
and tell them the data, the actual information, is the
landscape their "story" is set in.. maybe then we'd get some
decent articles.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2007-08-29 05:11 [#02115605]
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MEIN KAMPF


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2007-08-29 05:42 [#02115608]
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You're talking about bad litterature, not fiction books.

Here's a listlist

Days and Nights by Alfred Jarry
Molloy, Malone Dies, The Unnamable by Samuel Beckett
120 Days of Sodom by the Marquis de Sade
The Practice of Everyday Life by Michel de Certeau
The Castle by Franz Kafka
The Adventures of Baron Münchhausen
The Goosebumps collection
The Songs of Maldoror by the Comte de Lautréamont
Nadja by André Breton
Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2007-08-29 05:48 [#02115609]
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besides aristotle is a cunt


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-08-29 05:57 [#02115614]
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sade i want to read to because amorality is kewl

i think siddhartha is pretty ace, and the foundation series
by asimov


 

offline _gvarek_ from next to you (Poland) on 2007-08-29 06:33 [#02115630]
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nobody mentioned poetry, so The Wasteland by T.S.
Eliot


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2007-08-29 06:35 [#02115635]
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Maldoror is poetry, but thank god it's in prose.


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 06:53 [#02115645]
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This looks quite good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Solution


 

offline nanotech from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2007-08-29 06:56 [#02115646]
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The Tibetan Book of the Dead: The Great Liberation throug...

The Dhammapada: The Sayings of the Buddha (Oxford World's...


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2007-08-29 07:29 [#02115648]
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Wilhelm Reich - Listen, Little Man!
Kahlil Gibran - The Prophet
UG Krishnamurti - Mind Is A Myth
Jiddu Krishnamurti - Questioning Krishnamurti ... (for
idiots)


 

offline nanotech from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2007-08-29 07:44 [#02115649]
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Gibran's The Prophet...good one!

While living on Maui, Felix, a good friend of mine would
perform the book live...he had each line and chapter
memorized, and would perform it with the audience passing
around a sheet of the chapters, and calling out "Prophet,
tell us of LOVE!" or "Prophet, tell us of CHILDREN"

Then Felix would quote in a deep and wise tone...

"Hmmmmmmmm, your children are not your children, but life
yerning to pass through you!"

or something to that extent...


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2007-08-29 07:51 [#02115650]
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595094724?...


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2007-08-29 10:11 [#02115702]
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Some that are missing from the list:

Catcher in The Rye - JD Salinger
Islands in the Stream- Ernest Hemmingway
The Dark Tower books (7) -Steven King
Ground Beneath Her Feet - Salman Rushdie



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-08-29 10:13 [#02115704]
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Yes, Catcher in the Rye is really good.


 

offline Sclah from Freudian Slipmat on 2007-08-29 10:42 [#02115711]
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Does Murakami's work qualify for lists like these? He's an
expert on Blurry border between reality and dream

The only "absolute classics" I've read:
Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment: I enjoyed some parts but
founds others a bit tedious, specifically the themes of an
anguished soul, praying for salvation etc. Too
melodramatic.
Kafka's The Trial and The Castle. Really enjoyed these two,
enthralling.
Camus' The Fall: Read this mostly because the band is named
after it. Don't think I really "got it" completely.
Existensial crisis, exaggerated self-examination etc.


 

offline Sclah from Freudian Slipmat on 2007-08-29 10:43 [#02115712]
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I would also like to nominate Hamsun's The Hunger


 

offline misantroll from Switzerland on 2007-08-29 11:10 [#02115735]
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Theodore Sturgeon - Thinking cristal


 

offline NeroX from Canada on 2007-08-29 19:13 [#02115923]
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I heard if you take a dump and flush the toilet while
reading Alice in Wonderland it will sync perfectly to what's
going on in the book


 

offline NeroX from Canada on 2007-08-29 19:18 [#02115924]
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Mashah do you like Nietzshe?
As for books I've enjoyed; 48 Laws Of Power, Brave New
World, 1984,Slaughterhouse-Five, and The Celestine Prophecy


 

offline OK on 2007-08-29 19:24 [#02115926]
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what dead thing?


 

offline OK on 2007-08-29 19:25 [#02115927]
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*death


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-08-29 22:13 [#02115943]
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hahaha
so true


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2007-08-30 16:30 [#02116239]
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The Odyssey by Homer, translated by Robert Fagles, is quite
lovely. I recommend it before or after The Death.


 

offline optimus prime on 2007-08-30 16:30 [#02116240]
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such a yummy edition as well.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2007-08-30 17:33 [#02116254]
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I've got Don Quixote at hand's reach, the two tomes, and I
really really want to read it but it's BIG.


 

offline optimus prime on 2007-08-30 18:35 [#02116269]
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not only is it an engrossing read but it's positively
dripping with metafictional qualities. if you like
how godard films know that they're films then you'll enjoy
how don quixote is aware that it's a book. by the end it
becomes a book about a book about a book about the book
you're reading.


 

offline optimus prime on 2007-08-30 18:44 [#02116270]
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just be aware that it digresses even more than gravity's
rainbow.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2007-08-30 18:54 [#02116272]
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Oh I know, I'm sure it's awesome, but more than 1300 pages
is quite a commitment.

Not sure why I care though, let's rock.


 

offline optimus prime on 2007-08-30 19:00 [#02116273]
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\m/


 


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