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Virgina |
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damn...I always miss that letter my bad |
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its ok, i too have experienced tradegy in virgina. |
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Land of the free (to go on a rampage and murder lots of people because you're a selfish cunt). |
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i'm sure lots of people on this message board will have lots of witty and edgy stuff to say about it soon |
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yes, and it's OK to be an insensitive cunt about it. this is fucking awful. |
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Insensitive to who? Looks like the gunman got two bites at the cherry, too: how on earth did that come to pass? |
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thats what I was curious about...How after the first wave of shootings, it was 2 hours later when the second ones rang out!! WTF happened there?> |
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I don't think they even know if it was the same guy yet (I think). |
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I think the article should have mentioned that the previous record holder went on the rampage resultant from a brain disorder (a tumour if I remember correctly). |
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Over 40 civilians died yesterday in Baghdad...oh well we will just add them onto the other sixty something thousand shall we and ignore it while going completely over the top about some emo tit with girlfriend trouble getting trigger happy. |
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Simply stating he was American covered the brain disorder part. |
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indeed. also, see , coincidentally posted right around the time i found out about this. from BBC News: "There were two bomb threats at the campus in the week before the shootings" "I was getting ready to leave for my class at 10 am this morning, when my friend Margaret called me telling me not to come on campus because there had been another shooting (we had had a shooting in August on the first day of class)" Your country is fucked. |
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I have to admit, that made me laugh aloud. Obviously I should be chastened. |
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I knew someone was going to say that... It is possible to be both shocked by something like this while simultaneously appreciating the equal tragedy of deaths in iraq, or whereever... |
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what the fuck? fuck baghdad. this could happen everywhere and you're all making it sound as if 'those stupid americans' had it coming, or are fucked anyway. fuckin hell. |
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we're all very much perverse |
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It could happen everywhere...but it doesn't...makes you think. |
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indeed sad, RIP. Bowling for Virgina coming up |
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would you be tempted to feel a dead girls breasts? |
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You might they say "they had it coming" because of the country they've become. |
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Come on guys, don't be immature. Its not the time to spout anti-american cynicism. |
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they're 18-year-olds going to class. many of them have probably not voted for the first time yet, even. they didn't contribute to our foreign policy, they didn't enlist in the military or anything. |
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so what? why is it that many people have this attitude that if things get too though, it's acceptable to just go out and let loose with a gun? it's perverse |
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I don't have that attitude. I would never touch a gun and i think it is a shame that virginia has such lenient gun laws. In fact, I don't know what you mean at all by replying to my post with your comment. i was responding to marlowe's comment that they had it coming because of the way our government behaves. |
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They didn't spring fully-formed from the ether as 18 year-olds; I didn't actually say they had it coming, I only gave a possible answer to someone who asked why would they have it coming. |
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It happened in germany quite recently as a matter of fact. It's beyond me how people here are judging these now dead students, as if it was their own fault not to have fled the country while they still had a chance, to attend to a college or university abroad knowing they were more at risk in their homeland of getting shot by some maniac. Paul: would you really consider that a reasonable argument? Generalization is one thing, but blaming these college students for what america has become is plain stupid. |
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Who mentioned the Government. I said country, not government. |
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it is sick wheter it happens in virgina or bagdad, or any else in the world?? crazy people |
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I never thought you had that attitude. In any event, I don't think you have reason to think marlowe was referring to anything to do with the American government or its foreign policy in his post. |
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What? Did you read the thread? They were talking about how things like this are a daily occurrence in baghdad, American's fault, which is absolutely true, and then he followed it up with what he finds to be a reasonable argument (I don't know if he agrees, but he offered it as if it were a reasonable explanation) that they could have had it coming because of what America has become. What changed in America that these kids are responsible for? |
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OK, what did you mean then by country? |
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I haven't judged anyone. It also happened in Dunblane in Scotland during the mid-90's. It is just the frequency with which it seems to be happening in the States. |
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Yeah, American society seems to trigger this sort of behaviour more often than other places, but it may also only be something that "just" seems that way; As you said, people get more worked up about stuff like this than about what happens in other countries, but I think that may be because in other countries, there are soldiers and criminals, people who "are not like us" or "not close to home," like, you know it isn't your neighbour doing these kind of things. In America, however, when it happens, it seems to happen with "normal people," those people that could be living next door. Of course, people try to explain it in many different ways, most of which seem to be more to put oneself at ease by pretending the guy wasn't normal, pretending he couldn't live next door. In that same act, they relieve society around the guy for its responsibility in his upbringing; It was something wrong with him, and only him. I believe the problem lies somewhere in the capitalist ideology: It's always a "fight to make it." It's like everyone around you is a predator, and the only way to get out of there alive is by killing them first (or rather, being the first "there," the one who reaches the top, and since "they'd do the same to me if they had the chance!!!" you justify all your actions, all of your stepping on these other people by that, and since everyone thinks like that, it becomes the truth). It's a neurosis factory! |
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Blame the college students for what? I never laid any blame on any college students. I didn't even say that what I wrote represented my own stance on the matter. What I meant was this: a person might give that answer because "America as a whole (and thus generalised rather than localised), seems to be quite a violent culture, more violent than many of its European counterparts. Also, because of its size, it is very schismatic, and therefore full of conflict; unfortunately, this conflict seems to resolve itself in a mainly negative way." |
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I think the inclusion of Iraq in the discussion went just so far as to point out the perceived insignificance of the deaths there as opposed to that of the deaths in a University in America. I'm not sure if these kids have had anything to contribute to them but I would blame the stultifying, lax gun laws in America, the fact that the social fabric is falling apart and that the value of life is becoming cheaper and cheaper in people's minds. |
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You are misrepresenting me. It was Lee, not me, who mentioned Baghdad. I didn't say the students were to blame or deserved it or anything like that. "Had it coming" means "It was inevitable", "it was bound to occur" "the likelihood of it happening was very high" etc. By country I mean, apart from Government: Business, Media, Culture, Philosophy, Social Fabric, etc. |
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This is true, the one thing about America that I have to say is that we all hate each other far more than you hate us :) |
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I think you've made a good point about the cheapness of lives: no doubt it's been so for all of our histories (slavery, caste systems etc), but these days, things do seem to be awful objectified, depersonalised. Be it through video games, films, fashion, confronted with statistics of X-amount of people dying. I'm not just talking about America here, btw. We're caught up in a very stylised world at the moment, so it seems: it's all very nicely rendered and packaged, but I think that's only to disguise that the Soul has left the building. |
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lol, i wasn't representing you, it was the direction the conversation was going, you didn't write the whole thread and i realize that, of course. i see that you weren't talking about afp now, though i don't think it was such a ridiculous leap for me to make in assuming you were. thanks for clarifying. |
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It's sad isn't it? It really does depress me. I'm not just talking about America here, btw. Yeah, me neither. And as regards social fabric falling apart, I'm pretty much despairing at that in the british isles (ireland included) too. |
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This may be a bit cynical of me, but this case makes a good backdrop for my term paper. |
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i noticed in bush' speech he said 'when this happens in a sanctuary like a school this is felt in every american small community and school' instead of every community or school in the world. this pissed me off i don't like redrum's shallowness just blaming america as a country either |
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It's going to happen everywhere where capitalism becomes a way of life instead of an economic system. |
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while I fully agree with "America as a whole (and thus generalised rather than localised), seems to be quite a violent culture, more violent than many of its European counterparts. Also, because of its size, it is very schismatic, and therefore full of conflict; unfortunately, this conflict seems to resolve itself in a mainly negative way." i don't think this makes it in any way less horrible. The citizens of Iraq didn't ask for war, and the students of this college didn't ask for a massacre. imo they both deserve our sympathies, for whatever that's worth. Yes america's in a sorry state but it seems very wrong to have this 'oh well, cant be helped' attitude. |
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How is it "shallow"? I don't understand your choice of words drunken: you made a good point earlier in the thread with that epic post. You've now summed it up very succinctly. Good stuff. |
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bagdad is like this every day. random killings every day, eight dead in parlement just last week |
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I sort of wonder why they wouldn't have evacuated the campus after the first shooting...I guess I don't know the details, but it seems weird to be having class two hours after a shooting. |
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it's a one answer solution to the question 'why did this happen'.. main reasons are puberty or craziness and bad social fabric |
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