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Extreme capitalism and liberalism plus misunderstood individualism. |
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u sure do kno ur isms mista |
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And why do you think this anti-americanism is growing? Do you think all the critique is unwarranted? |
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Yep |
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i personally feel all of europe should watch this documentary. they might learn something. i did (and i thought i knew it all) although the trailer doesn't really show anything more than what most people already know. the documentary does go deeper into the history and advent of radical islam, speifically its military component... |
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What has that got to do with the critique of American society? |
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well i think everything. people grab a particular incident such as the Virg. Tech Massacre and generalize it or make comparisons to our lives, our way of living, even towards our current foreign policy. i find it interesting as an american, that most europeans in this board, spend much more time criticizing the americans. when americans themselves are too preoccupied with their own problems to be criticizing others. should americans really be concerrned about european economic problems etc etc... probably not because a) no lives are affected directly technically and b) because its not our problem. i put up that trailer to signify if not symbolize the struggle as americans towards our way of life, but not just our own problems but that of all europe and the middle east. Growing Anti American Sentiment is simply due to our current foreign policy, in which all of europa-middle east find to skew in a way and have it become a western dysfunction. extreme capitalism. what is extreme capitalism? no one is forced to put up a business in this country. no one from the u.s. tells foreigners to cross the mexican border and attempt to carry on a monetarily preoccupied lifestyle. Even if you disagree with the Iraq war, liberalism or the liberal left is currently trying to disengage us from a war that has become a quagmire. americans are far from perfect, but if someone has answers instead of accusations and character assassinations, then i believe more can be done. i'm sure we as americans can learn something from europe because we have much more in common than other nations. but why so much hate when there are far more worse things in the world. |
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Nah. First of all, we aren't grabbing a particular incident, but due to the nature of things as they are now, something like a school shooting doesn't "last" very long; our attention is drawn elsewhere. This shooting reminds us of the other shootings, and in discussing this one, the others are implied. Secondly, part of the critique, at least for me, is exactly the point you're making, that "Americans themselves are too preoccupied with their own problems to be criticizing others." You live in a mock society where everyone (and thus no-one) is an INDIVIDUAL!!! and the only thing that make you stand together is some sort of a crisis; In the context of a terrorist attack, everyone is united, but in the context of work, advancement, social issues, it's "to each his own," and "I don't care where you're born, if you don't make it, it's your own fault!" This also goes for your further points about Americans being concerned about European issues "should americans really be concerrned about european economic problems etc etc... probably not because a) no lives are affected directly technically and b) because its not our problem." Do you really think no lives are affected directly by economical problems? Do you really think it isn't your problem? Are you aware of what would happen to the worldwide economy should the American economy fail? Are you aware of what would happen to the worldwide economy (and thereby also American economy) should the European economy fail? Does open trade with South Korea actually benefit America, Korea or Both? Extreme capitalism is capitalism applied to everyday living. It's shown in the demands for what's socially accepted and what's expected of "successful" individuals. Kids are an investment in the future. And if you think I should be spending my energy critiquing other things, I do. I have more than enough energy to criticise every living individual on the entire planet. |
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i think you made some valid points. i'm just glad i got a say in something for once with being completely attacked : ) there are some things i'm sure at least socially we agree upon. i do find us as a nation to be preoccupied with finances and like you said the rudimentary belief of burgeoning 'successful individuals' is somewhat of a problem. in reference to the recent shooting even the young south korean student found money that others had stifling (although i'm sure most of the problem had to do with his own mental disorder). |
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The thing with a mental disorder, though, is that it doesn't arise magically within the individuals own psyche. It's a result of his interaction with society around him, and, American society, as a result of this "economic" take on life, is a sort of breeding ground for neurotic lives. I think that in this case, it could be described by (clichéd) analogy to the tensioning of a rubber band up until the point where it eventually snaps; Even if the final twist is the direct cause of the snap, it wouldn't be as severe if it hadn't been for all the previous ones. |
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this is all vague what i'm about to say but i think the idea is understandable... the case of the relationship between the individual and his environment is something i wouldn't even know how to begin analyzing. i can barely make sense of each particular event in my daily life. i try at least mentally to carry on the most happy and meaning filled life i can. i do believe, as i have in the past couple of years, that life is too complex to find a true meaning for it. what i do have a problem is when otheres impose a belief on others, and i guess that can be looked at in different perspectives. i am a true believer in freedom, but to a certain extent. as to how those freedoms are regulated, would be, an extremely complicated system of impositions by whats considered 'the norm' or 'best for its people', an everlasting problem that may never come to any definitive function. because as much as masses of agree upon something whatever that is. at the end we are all individuals. now as common sense this all may sound, it pretty much sheds light as to why i can't say for a fact what variables exactly led upto this event. i mean i can keep going at it but whats the point, at the end i know i wont find a definitive answer. what i can surmise is that he had something that liberated him from mortality. |
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You're stating that these prisoners are members of Al Qaeda, as if it were fact. Which it isn't. |
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well what i'm trying to say is that, whether it is al qaeda, sunni insurgents, criminals, or what have you. they do not abide by the normal rules of warfare. especially when the ratio of direct confrontation to u.s. troops to that of innocent civilians is for the most part disproportionate. i'm not saying you're wrong. i am only stating what the rules are (rule of law), because you mentioned giving them a fair trial... |
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It's a bit too vague for me, I think... the only things I could reply to are things that don't seem to require replies... |
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A huge majority of the people kept in Guantanamo were simply farmers herded up by the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, since the US was paying them for each and every detainee. It was like slave trading, only even more sordid. |
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Dead links are very sad indeed. |
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dolt |
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Well, I've known plenty of wonderful Europeans in real life and I will hold on to those memories instead of cloud my judgment through interactions with anonymous cunts I meet on the net. I refuse to talk about such things as the big dumb America over the Internet. Id rather it be over a couple of pints. |
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Is there a difference between Americans and Europeans? |
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Over a couple of pints of Commie blood? |
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Get your head out of your ass. I know you love the smell, but really. Is there a racism problem in Europe? |
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I only ask because you seem so fond of sweeping generalizations. Why not extend it to the way people look? |
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Yeah, we've got racism, we've got violence, we've got all the kinds of stupidity you find anywhere else! Take your pick! |
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We call it "Americanisation." |
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And you've got killing rampages, too. I blame Chicken Nuggets. |
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the US holds the high score for them though, and you guys are way out in front. we'll never catch up! USA! USA! |
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Out of the 16 top ones, 7 are in the good ol' US of A. |
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source? |
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anti americanism has "plagued" the entire globe not just europe. and it's a mostly justified sentiment. |
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Oh well. Nothing anyone can do about it. Its far bigger than me. Even if America completely changed into what everyone wanted, it would take 50 years for everyone to believe it. So fuck it. |
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Lot of "its" there |
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America likes chanting too much, and not in a Spiritual Way, etiher. Too much chanting is a bad thing. |
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god redrum you're such a fucking asshole how's about you shut the fuck up about america and take your american hatin ass outside |
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Yeah, quit chanting. |
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Some newspaper I read, so it'd be in Norwegian, but I guess list should speak for itself. |
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This Tech shooting, from the looks of it, has nothing to do with America other than the fact it was fairly easy for him to buy a gun. He was insane. His imaginary girlfriend, too. I chalk this one up as a crazy person undiagnosed. |
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I was just wandering why there were exactly 16 rampages taken into account |
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When someone with severe psychiatric ills snaps over here in the UK, and they become actively murderous (not very often), the schizo usually stops with killing the person they feel wronged them, and maybe sometimes a couple of members of the family, too; they don't really go about and gun down multiple strangers in a rampaging manner: the UK has only really got 2 famous examples: Hungerford & Dunblaine. Plus, if he was undiagnosed, why had he spent time in a loony bin? Also, 30,000 people a year are killed in gun-related crime in the USA yet what's being done about it? What the fuck do you think is going to happen if you give your citizens the right to bear arms? This isn't the 1880s, I think it would be safe to disarm the citizenry, and I would sure bet that the death-toll would fall. |
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GOD-GIVEN RIGHT GOD-GIVEN RIGHT GOD-GIVEN RIGHT GOD-GIVEN RIGHT GOD-GIVEN RIGHT GOD-GIVEN RIGHT GOD-GIVEN RIGHT ad nauseum |
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Who knows.. I think the top 16 were the ones where the casualties were "substantial." More than the ones the shooter really wanted to kill (his gf or something)? I don't know, I'm just guessing. |
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I actually agree. I hate guns. I just can't comprehend the logistics of reining in all those guns. Plus, someone else said that Canada has more guns? Maybe guns aren't the problem. |
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Ok, maybe he wasn't undiagnosed. I've been in the system for a short time (all better now) and can tell you first hand the system sucks. |
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i agree there. america's kinda dug itself into a hole. it feels like there's no going back, but maybe i'm wrong. also, the firearms industry generates such revenue that i imagine the lobbying against such a move would be immense, not just from the NRA. |
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I may be a bit behind with the news, as my primary sources are Norwegian newspapers, but it seems the two hours between the first and second shootings were spent mailing a video and a letter to NBC. These have been released, at least in part. |
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I hear they're having a party tonight at Virginia Tech for the survivors... Apparently there's a free shot for every student. |
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you card! |
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that page is completely unreadable. i like the squabble theyre having about myspace being a reliable source for facts. |
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