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Why is IDM, Braindance, Glitch, Drill et al such dirty words on formerly IDMese forums and boards these days? |
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yeah im am wondering too i love IDM and proud of it because im intelligent |
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i love idm + braindance |
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god builds a church the devil builds a chapel |
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I believe it's because it all got a bit too pretentious. So pretentious that it became a mockery of itself. I still love a lot of it though. |
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what precisely is the pretense governing songs like Windowlicker? |
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huh? |
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You just have to have fun with it. It all sounds pretentious if you're always looking for a deep emotion to be conveyed from the music. Some tracks can do that but you shouldnt set out to find it. |
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It was a passing fancy. Like the Rubik's cube. |
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Windowlicker isn't really idm though, is it? |
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That tune is a booty shaker. It should be totally disolved of it's links with IDM. |
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Yeah, I don't really get what's pretentious about guys making music with computers. I've heard that "IDM artists are pretentious" thing before quite a bit. Yet I see a lot more pretention in many R&B groups and rock bands. Maybe it's the fans these people are referring to, though most of us tend to be kind of geeky guys that also like making music with computers. If I wanted to be pretentious I'd find a better way to do it, probably one that more chicks would be attracted to. I think it's a dumb genre name, but since when is a genre name not totally dumb sounding? |
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My point exactly skink! |
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It's the thing about it that annoys me i think. Alot of people seem or definately seemed to be trying to make groundbreaking music. Alot of which seemed to be unlistenable. That always seemed a little pretentious in my book. Although i have to concur with you about alot of what you said. I have alot of disdain for the general ideas of what is good and what is not. I have certainly had no interest in anything new that has come out recently. |
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Wow, i really fucked up the first sentence on that didn't i?! |
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possibly the first idm2 track ever to be made. once again, mr disco james shows his genious and groundbrackingnessness. |
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i dont call it idm, i call it experimental electro. it works better explaining what i listen to. |
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I guess I just assume that since there's not a huge market for experimental/IDM music, the people that are making it are making it because they enjoy making it, not because they're trying to look cool. When i hear something unlistenable, usually I just take that to mean that the person making it is not skilled with what they're creating. |
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I associate particular 4/4 beats with electro music, usually with industrial/goth overtones. |
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I think successive "IDM" artists have become more and more self referential, existing in some insular bubble making less and less original work which says nothing beyond the process of how it was made. I've only really got time for the classics and the pioneers, electronic music made now is largely a cheap imitation that inspires nothing more than disdain. |
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you sound like an old fart.. did you know that? |
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take a chill pill |
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And you sound really young and exciting and full of ideas like "Experimental Electro". |
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im both young, exciting and full of great ideas like experimental electro. what i dont get is why that is a negative thing? |
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fucked up beats, man |
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Internet Dork Music |
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old! |
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easy there Mr. Im with the latest Trends Guy |
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haha yeah alright, i admit i can be pretty trendy at times. |
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especially you and the unknown Americans (who we think is Zeus) :) |
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i have no idea who that guy was, and yet i was driving around in chicago all night with him and 3 unknown girls. was massive fun, i have no idea how i got away from them or got in contact with them. |
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Good points. I think it's still great music, and I haven't noticed any pretense amongst "IDM" artists at all, or their fans. If anything, the crowds at live events based in this music are generally really nice, appoachable, and down to earth. Indie rock gigs, on the other hand... |
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what the |
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Electro, by definition, is experimental music, taking its cue from Kraftwerk and its use of robotic / sci-fi themes. So I don't really know what exeprimental electro would be, though I'm sure you'd apply the tag to anything that had nothing to do with Electro nor experimentalism but everything to do with hitting the IDM preset on a laptop. |
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if its not electro its usually considered funky breaks. if you experiment in one direction.. it would be more IDM (imho) and if you went the other it would be hiphop / triphop / bithop / ambohop / rockhop / japhop / chophop / pop hop / lithop / rophop etc... |
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it's a negative thing because it's dull. the way i see it; there are some electronic artists that are still bothered to write songs in terms of composition. then there are artists who explore sound in an experimental, new ways. i like most of this. and then we have people inbetween who think are doing something witty and new when in fact they're just playing around with knobs and it turns out dull. i don't like this, but it seems it's something people enjoy these days so whatever. |
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it's not hip hop it's electro |
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"iHOP"....elusive 2006 |
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this is ridiculous, in order for people to understand what im talking about, i have to describe it in terms people know of. terms like 'experimental' and 'electro' are usually what comes to my mind while listening to my music, aswell as people who dont really know the genre. i dont think you have any connection with the real world if you say there is such a thing as an IDM preset. the most interesting thing about listening to this sort of music is that there isnt a HowToDoIt. ive seen some of your comments dog_belch, and those things you might find dull and unimaginative rehashes of the past are actually easily quite likeable. i really dont like that you are comparing warp artists to mainstream pop artists, you expect too much. but saying such a thing as all the latest is just rehashes of the old pioneers is just fucking nonsense to me. |
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HAHA |
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everything's a rehash of classical and tribal music FUCK YOU FAKAZ |
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I dont think you have any connection with the real world if you say there is such a thing as an IDM preset. The last time I visited the "real world" people had a sense of humour and didn't take everything literally. The last time I had a stroll round the old reality park people didn't make quite so many assumptions and draw so many false conclusions. The last time I found myself wandering listlessly on Planet Earth I found you could state an opinion without kids crying and saying "Mummy, I am a Creative and Original artist aren't I? How dare the nasty man say otherwise???" The last time I was concious you could have a civilised argument by stating your respective cases and back up challenges to your view with examples or reasoning and not just go "But but but, No you're wrong!" everytime you heard something you didn't like. The last time I visited a record shop in your dimension I heard a lot better music than the tired lifeless old cock I hear today, coccooned in my madness. |
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haha |
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Im going to write a book called : Xltronic |
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sometimes i find it extremely difficult to spot when you are trying to be fun dog_belch, but this time it was no problem. you are such a dramaqueen. |
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If I didn't write for my own amusement here, I'd only be... working or something. Maybe I should join the gym. |
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i like dog_belch |
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fuck idm. music is music, you like it or not. there are artists i like and there are artists i dont like, i don't give a shit wich name people gave it. |
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i like debora |
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