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This post might be a risky one, considering there are laws prohibiting anyone on this site from liking Theo, Himself and showing anything but attempted snarky deprication towards anything the kid has to say or opine, but fuck it. There is quite a bit of talent in this joint and I can't imagine all the artists here are working as hard and as meticulously as they are just to keep their material buried - self-apologists writing off their creative outlets as 'hobbies,' out of fear of rejection and a host of other worries. This year is the beginning of my venture into the business in which I belong - the music biniss. I have been warned by a number of fringe Wu-affiliates that, before submitting demos of any kind, I need an IP lawyer to send a letter along with it, and I'm planning on getting everything I do published before my material is submitted to anyone. The first phase of my entry into the industry will be by offering the massive backlogs of tracks (I hate the word 'beats') that would be absolutely perfect for labels like Babygrande, Nature Sounds, Lex, and whatever RZA's label is called this week. The idea I have is to have my (fuckit-) beats offered up to one of these labels, then they could offer the beats up to artists on their labels, and I would lisence them for recording. I also have a shitload of music that I created rather effortlessly that I wouldn't dare put my name on. It's so easy to make Iovine/radio horseshit music and I could also be like a Linda Perry and sell written songs to desposable artists-of-the-moment for their overdue, much needed hits. The first two are the begrudgingly business-related aspects of my musical abilities, but I also have a (possibly double) album that I've spent a lot of time working on for over a year that I am "writing," arranging, producing, mixing, and finalizing all by myself as a way of saying to labels - "Hey, look, this is what I'm capable of with virtually no budget and absolutely no encouragement whatsoever! Imagine what I could d |
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do with a label budget! So the album will be fully realized (it's VERY good.. even by my standards) and completed... so it's not exactly a demo. All I'd ask is that they provide the distribution and marketing. (Forget the media, I spoke with the editor-in-cheif of pitchforkmedia.com - he told me good reviews could be bought) Anyway, I am meeting with an IP lawyer next week and have a meeting with Nature Sounds in BK next month.. but I need a manager of some sort to give me insight into the ins-and-outs of the business and how I can get myself comissioned for commercials, films, etc. if anyone here has any honest advice for me.. getting started kind of advice, eg who to talk to ( do have phone numbers etc) please let me know. note: each time some xlt members attempt humor it falls pretty short (9 times out of 8) so don't try to be funny or let me know how much my opinions of venetian fucking snares stuck in your craw in the past. I'm being very serious here. thank you! love, love |
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wait. what is the question? |
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I guess my first question, before getting to my spiel, would be who on this site is honestly attempting to make a move towards establishing themselves in the music business? that can mean anyone who wants to be as obscure as mira calix, to someone who wants to be the next neptunes, and if they're already on the way, what should the first couple of moves be? |
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I'd be curious to hear more of your musics. Could you post something, even a 30 second excerpt encoded at 128k? |
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who gives a shit |
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I could be. |
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i don't know wether you got it right, you're working on your way right, that's all you can do. it isn't 'the business' you have to know, it's your own way to success you have to follow |
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if i was you, firstly I'd read up on copyright law in your country. i'm assuming you're from . |
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Selling "beats" isn't exactly something you can do from the start. You need to create a name for yourself. |
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Don't be precious and overprotective of your material to begin with. Even if it's absolutely shit-hot, if you never let anyone hear it, how will people know/why will the big guns waste their time listening to it if you have no reputation? Aim more for exposure to start with; Make stuff available for free. If it's good, you will get "fans" of your work, word will spread amongst music lovers. Somewhere along the way a person at a label will see the recommendation, listen out of interest and then, if they think it's good, will get in touch. People who think posting a "demo tape" to a major label these days (unless you have an inside contact who will pass it, along with a recommendation, to the relevant parties) will get you anywhere, are living in cloud cuckoo land. Warp don't have enough time to listen to a fraction of the demos that are sent in; you really think someone like Sony are going to?! Unless you genuinely think that your stuff is so good (and if you do, get a few other people's opinions to see if they agree) that Xzibit will steal your backing track for his next single, I'd not bother with IP protection. Courts generally favour the place it was published first, rather than the originator. In any event, unless you're already a millionaire, you won't stand a chance fighting a label who did nick it in court. So, let us have a listen... |
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note: each time some xlt members attempt humor it falls pretty short (9 times out of 8) lol |
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let's hear it |
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Man, with those skills, writing songs, producing your own (possibly double) album, over one million Beats, man, REDEFINE the industry, with a little effort you could BE the Industry. Yeah. |
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o m g |
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It's almost as if he has some magical device that works as a studio in a box - kind of the way a radio works, with tiny people inside playing music. Except theo has learned how to control the tiny musicians. Much powerful magics! |
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That made me smirk like a fat mad man plowing through a fresh box of glazed donuts |
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if you want to work with film/commercials, what you do is you burn a cd with a few tracks and then you take it to your local film/commercial production/post-production studio (show up in person) and you say "hi! I would like tomake music for your commercials or films! here's a cd." |
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It's obviously a wind up. |
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your trajectory is on course, you're heading into outer space, past the moon, into the stars! you're a shining star, theo himself!! you're a star! |
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Send demos to any other label than warp, sony, virgin and rephlex ? |
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Titsworth once said 'i know who you are' to Theo so maybe he's some fringe Wu nutter. |
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haha, theo himself is very fucking serious. I remember a while ago when he affiliated himself pennyworth and binaural tea. His music wasn't bad but it wasn't that great either. He didn't like me when I said it was average but I was obviously the one with the problem for not recognising his amazing ability. |
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"himself pennyworth and binaural tea" there's a nirvana track title in there somewhere. |
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I'm still involved with those two.. who happen to be the same person. are any of you into the Nature Sounds label? I have a meeting with them soon.. but there is a wu-contact I have that is with babygrande that I want to talk with first. I need to know if labels like this do production deals where they throw a producer's work into a pool and have artists choose what they like, and the producer need'nt give their concent to allowing their work to be used.. you can get your stuff published before it's sold/released and all that right? that should be my first/second step |
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that's not necessarily true. if the right track gets to the right person, they're not going to say "hey I like this one a lot, but I've never heard of him so fuck'em!" that song gets released and the producer gets his credit.. then if other people hear it and like it they say "hey, who produced that?" they check the liner, and there you have it. |
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post ur musics already lol |
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from what ive been taught i dont think hip-hop labels tend to give those kind of producer deals to people they dont know (the whole putting your tunes in a pool for people to use) i think they hope that youll come to them with at least one thing that already has an MC over the top so they can get an idea of whether itll suit anybody on their rosta. also dont bother going to them with a full album straight off the bat. they havent got time and generall cant be arsed to listen to it all. just pick the 3 strongest songs and put the best one first. have your details on the CD as well as the box. im trying to get something, anything put out but getting in to the music industry has been, for me, kick in the teeth after kick in the teeth (especially with the childish stuff i make which no one wants to buy, check out BIYC for a load of examples) but i fucking love trying. any suggestions for labels for the kind of stuff im making? |
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"I'm still involved with those two.. who happen to be the same person." Are you his girlfriend? |
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I think you're putting the cart before the horse. When you make a souflee, you have to preheat the oven for at least 30 minutes before you begin baking. If you heat the oven and just pop the souflee in then all the heat just comes right out and it will collapse. You have to heat up the walls of the oven so when you open the door and close it, it heats back up faster. Have you ever performed live? Have you ever actually worked with an MC? Do you have any material available on a proper release? Has anyone ever heard of you? If you put all of your eggs into the marketing and promotion basket, you're not letting the oven heat properly. In the off chance that you send a label your back catalog and they want to use a track, then that's it. Your souflee will collapse. If this is your strategy for getting involved in the music industry maybe you should get involved with Disney, or another group than manufactures commercial music based on charts and fashion. If your work is respected, you will be rewarded. If you approach it like you're doing, you'll strip the soul out of the art. |
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OMG! THEO IS THE ARCTIC MONKEYS! |
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you trrajectorry sucks |
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Nicely put! |
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this topic lacks audible examples. anyway good luck, its a tough (though har har) world out there. |
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You should hook up with these guys: |
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j and h productions is interested in getting in touch with the label industry regarding shows, and putting together a souflee with a cavalcade of stars. |
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Last I heard, BIYC had signed them to a 6 album deal after hearing this "demo". Theo, submit something, they might be interested. |
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I don't even know what biyc is..? |
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yes I have worked with mcs, no I don't perform live.. but hey, neither does J-Lo. and no, not a lot of people know of me right now. but the strength/quality of my tracks/production/album will speak for itself, doubtless. I like that you got all didactic like you're clive davis or something. meanwhile no one knows who the fuck YOU are outside of a website - a FANsite for another artist - at the rate you're going, you'll never make anything out of all your efforts, but that's because you want it that way.. whether you're conscious of it or not. all I need is proper managerial assisstance right now. that's what I'm looking for. can hyper pr do anything for me? |
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i swear, you must be the Blazin' Hazen of IDM. |
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IDwha? |
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BLAZIN'! |
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just because you don't know who some of us are does not automatically imply that no one else does. then again, you want to be J-Lo, so good luck with that. |
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I like how you come on this site and basically ask for advice, then get advice just to go into your "you're all being didactic but you have no fans" shtick. and then after that you ask for advice again. priceless. |
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At what point where we teaching morality? |
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Theo, not taking the piss mate, but if you post some of your stuff (even if you don't want comments about the music itself), people might be more able to help; recommend labels that publish similar stuff and that might be interested, some of the more well-connected people here may also, if they do think it's good stuff, pass it on to a friend at a label's A&R dept and ask them to have a listen. To re-iterate; being overprotective of your stuff at this stage of the game is silly and you're shooting yourself in the foot. Can you envisage someone going to their mate who works at Lex; "Hiya, there's this kid off xltronic who makes awesome stuff and he was wondering if you could hook him up with an MC and possibly sign him." "Sure, I'll give it a listen." "Erm. That's the thing, I've not got a copy. I've not even heard it; he won't let anyone hear it. If you sign up to xltronic and post something in this thread, he might email you. He won't even give out his email, you see." "So what is it that makes you think his stuff is great?!" "Well, he says it is..." "Fuck that." *hangs up* |
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If any of the people reading this thread worked at a label or any good contacts, I can guarrantee you they would not have any interest in helping you out. So thats a really really bad start. |
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ceris right, youre asking about specific PR companys and the like (i think. is hyper PR a real company?) but with no examples of your work theres no way anyone can tell you if theyre the right people to go to. some PR and distribution companys are very specific about what they work with. with your requests for help the best people can do is shrug their shoulders. |
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somehow that's not a concern for me.. |
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