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This is a 1.5 hour long documentary asking pretty much all the questions that need to be answered about 9/11. Not all of it adds up 100%, but this is by far the best documentary about 9/11 and it makes it pretty obvious that the "official" account of the events given by the U.S. government is a bunch of bullshit. Please if you have some free time just watch this, even if you aren't American. This country needs help, bad. Even if you don't have time to watch the whole thing, just watch as much of it as you can. If this has been posted here before or is common knowledge to some of you, I appologize as I am merely trying to spread the word. |
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seconded. i saw this on public access tv a few months ago, and its incredibly well presented and non-bs. this pretty much convinced me just due to the fact that the facts are so fucked, it doesnt make sense. |
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thirded... there is a second version out - get the torrent. folks, the evidence is there, a literal mafia has taken over america... they're frikkin psychos. spread the info |
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"folks, the evidence is there, a literal mafia has taken over america..." is this supposed to be news? the US has a previously falsely elected president, for fucks sake. |
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true, but I think a lot of people don't realize how bad it has truly become. |
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and i suppose you're wearing liberal clogs |
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theyre called burkenstocks :P |
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many if not most people either won't accept it or think that if they don't think about it then it won't matter. |
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Only one question needs to be answered about 9/11 and that is the question about why the yanks switch the day and month around like flids. |
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I watched this thing it's utter bullshit. How come a small plane on slow approach is knocked out of the sky by light poles but a jumbo jet barreling at full speed knocks them over? How come a WW2 prop plane crashed into the Empire State building and it didnt fall down but a jet with a full load of fuel plows into the world trade center at top speed and it gets knocked down? Geez it must be a conspiracy. Most of the arguments they present are idiotic. If you want to know the truth of why the WTC came down check out this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ Not some stoner documentary. |
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Does that link answer my question? |
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I looked around for an explanation. I found loads of info describing the differences but no reason why. My head hurts. |
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There is no answer. I asked the president and he replied "words" |
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They are both confusing. ISO-8601 is the only decent way. Like up there ^^^^ |
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Charlie Sheen was on CNN last week and told that he didn't buy the story offered in the 9/11 Commission Report and that he thought the government had something to do with the whole thing.. CNN also had a poll: Charlie Sheen speaks out: Do you agree there is a government cover-up of 9/11? YES: 83% NO: 17% videos and stuff Alex Jones from got this whole thing started with |
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How much proof do you need than the actual footage? It was the most televised terror attack and still people don't believe it!! |
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what? Yeah, we know it happened. We know it was planes (WTC at least). The question is, who is responsible? The video footage doesn't answer that. |
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Yah but if you watch that Loose Change video, they claim the planes crashing into the building wasn't what brought it down but controlled explosives that were places in the building the week before. They also claim it was a cruise missle that hit the pentagon and random wreckage was strewn about afterward. Oh and btw, the original "highjacked" planes landed somewhere and the passengers disembarked before all this happened. Seriously, how high do you have to be for this to make sense? |
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there are a lot of unanswered questions surrounding 9/11. why is there not ONE image of a plane crashing in to the Pentagon? why did the FBI confiscate surveillance videos within minutes of something hitting the Pentagon, from surrounding gas stations and hotels? just see Loose Change (2nd Edition) and be critical. other more hardcore videos: 9/11 The Road To Tyranny and Martial Law The Rise Of The Police State |
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here an animation from SEPTEMBER 12th, 2001 (wtf/lol!!!) |
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I think less energy should be spent trying to get people to take accountability for what happened, and more should be spent on figuring out healthy ways to deal with it. Its pretty much accepted that the US government had a bigger hand in the events than they are willing to admit. |
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That vid explains everything. lol please. Do you know how big 757's are? We see these images as if they are toys on a screen. I believe everything I saw that day. Occum's razor. |
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"there are a lot of unanswered questions surrounding 9/11. why is there not ONE image of a plane crashing in to the Pentagon? why did the FBI confiscate surveillance videos within minutes of something hitting the Pentagon, from surrounding gas stations and hotels?" What was the original frame rate of that video though and how fast was the plane going? Seems reasonable for the FBI to confiscate surveillance tapes ASAP considering the scale of the crime and that it happened in Washington D.C. you would certainly expect a very very short response time. |
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Is this the doc where they show the "bombs" going off in slow motion as the one tower collapses? If so, i've seen an excerpt, and it really did change my mind a lot. |
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"Seems reasonable for the FBI to confiscate surveillance tapes ASAP considering the scale of the crime and that it happened in Washington D.C. you would certainly expect a very very short response time." no shit, but the question stands: why have the tapes not been released, if the government has nothing to hide? _ - I guess I should have asked everyone to watch the thing in its entirety, since taking parts of it out of context (especially the parts that I feel are poorly done) can give you a bad impression of the documentary. Wherever you sit on this issue, Loose Change might give you some things to think about. Like I said, not all of it adds up 100%, but there are some interesting parts. |
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hence why its called loose change. it doesnt aim to answer every question, just pose a few that have been left unanswered. im not particularly convinced of the wtc event, but the pentagon just doesnt add up. at all. a 16 ft hole cause by a 757? utter bullshit. and i absolutely resent the stoner comments, where in the fuck did they come from? who said anything about weed or drugs or anything thru the whole doc. thats just fucking laziness blaming questioning of authority on drugs. piss the fuck off wanker. |
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conspiracy is the poor man's explanation of things |
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"hence why its called loose change. it doesnt aim to answer every question, just pose a few that have been left unanswered." I realise this, but I was just clarifying for people that don't know so I don't come off as over-zealous or something. :) I assume all the stuff about stoners was directed at rezpeni, in which case I agree with you completely. |
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It's stoney because the whole thing is backed with this ridiculous hip hop beat and the guy that narrates it sounds like he is about 25 and at time speaks some very poorly written commentary - it's like being trapped at some party with a dude smoking a bowl spinning all this nonsense for you. If you want me to take your theories on 9/11 seriously don't back the whole movie with fat beats. I was at a skate shop the other day and they were playing this movie. Seriously. "no shit, but the question stands: why have the tapes not been released, if the government has nothing to hide? " Uh, you know they just released the 911 tapes from the WTC today and even that had half the conversation cut out. I don't think all the tapes from the Oklahoma city bombing have been released either. Just because they haven't released the surveillence tapes doesn't mean the ridiculous theories in this doc are any more credible. Bush and co. have a policy of ony declassifying info that shows them in a positive light or backs up their case for pointless wars. "im not particularly convinced of the wtc event, but the pentagon just doesnt add up. at all. a 16 ft hole cause by a 757? utter bullshit." You tell me which sounds more like bullshit: a. according to loose change: the plane that crashed into the wtc was not really highjacked but goverment agents flew it to a secluded airport where the passengers disembarked (btw what happened to the passengers? Were they killed? Are they in a secret prison?) the plane was then replaced with a miltary jet that crashed into the pentagon via remote control(?) or it was a cruise missle and random airplane parts were put there by the goverment for a photo op. Even after watching the doc I can't figure out what theory they are advocating. b. Al Queda terrorists highjacked the plane with box cutters and flew it into the pentagon killing all the passengers aboard. Hmm. Now which of these makes more sense to you? The alien autopsy documentary was more believable than this. |
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if the scale of the crime was so "large" why did they haul up the wreckage of the wtcs under armed guard and then flog it to the far east for cheap scrap? no analysis, no nothing? oh, and the guy that owned the buildings said they "pulled" WTC 7, but the 9/11 commission reports it came down by fire. and they originally said there'd be no commission, only after pressure from families of victims did they open one, it was a total joke and they fronted Henry Kissinger as it's front man! |
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um, a. |
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shit, i mean b is more bullshit. i fucked that one up :P |
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so, because, in your opinion, option B sounds more likely, that means that a 757 would only create a 16 ft hole in the pentagon? jesus christ man you are exactly the kind of person who eats up everything the government throws at you with a shit-eating grin. |
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i think the idea that the US government had some sort of hand in the 9/11 attacks is nonsense and utterly reprehensible. however, there's enough evidence to show that they had knowledge about it prior to it happening and did nothing to stop it. that's a given by now. i'll watch this documentary but i'm worried it'll be a conspiracy theory crock of bullshit.. |
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oh dear, they're going on about the planes not actually being commercial airliners ok *bullshit* |
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before taking anything from that bullshit video into consideration. analysis from real physicists, not just some guy saying "the force of impact would've caused all the jet fuel to evaporate immediately" and knowing you'll believe it straight off. |
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the thing was done in hollywood style, only american minds could think about something like that. there's a lot of suspicious things in 9/11. mainly: a) financial operations the days before. b) the pentagon thing. c) it happened. |
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"if the scale of the crime was so "large" why did they haul up the wreckage of the wtcs under armed guard and then flog it to the far east for cheap scrap? no analysis, no nothing? " Because the rubble was toxic and they wanted to keep people from grabbing peices of it as grisly souviners? "and they originally said there'd be no commission, only after pressure from families of victims did they open one, it was a total joke and they fronted Henry Kissinger as it's front man!" This has more to do with Bush's fear of being held up in a bad light than somebody being worried about them finding out some X-Files secret. "so, because, in your opinion, option B sounds more likely, that means that a 757 would only create a 16 ft hole in the pentagon? jesus christ man you are exactly the kind of person who eats up everything the government throws at you with a shit-eating grin." Read this first: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm I know you will probably think snopes is in on the conspiracy, but humor me. The other thing is that conspiracy theorist always point to the fact that the plane struck the only rennovated and reinforced portion of the building, and then say the scale of the destruction is some sort of clue to a conspiracy. Seems a bit like trying to have your cake and eat it too. I dislike Bush and crew as much as anyone. There is so much legitimate shady shit to look into in regards to prewar Iraq intelligence, torture, warentless wiretapping, the list goes on and on. Why get distracted by all this conspiracy junk when there is real stuff to beat them up with? |
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- do your homework before you believe the "experts" - the guy who wrote that piece was exposed as being the cousin of the director of homeland security. he then admitted himself. |
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"Because the rubble was toxic and they wanted to keep people from grabbing peices of it as grisly souviners?" toxic from what exactly? don't say asbestos cos fema said the area was safe - even though it wasn't. the debris was under armed guard, who's going to steal it? the whole area was sectioned off No steel building has ever fallen from fire and yet three did in one day... check building 7 out... it had only two small fires admittedly, and yet the owner says the fire dept "pulled" it - how? it takes days if not weeks to rig a building for demolition and building 7 was full of govt agencies like the cia, fbi, dia, nsa and on and on the whole thing stinks |
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LOL! "Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know."" |
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The wtc buildings were full of dry wall. That shit burns like a hay stack. |
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"toxic from what exactly? don't say asbestos cos fema said the area was safe" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks#Pot ential_health_effects From Wikipedia: Thousands of tons of toxic debris resulting from the collapse of the Twin Towers included asbestos, lead, and mercury, as well as unprecedented levels of dioxin and PAHs from the fires which burned for three months. This has led to debilitating illnesses among rescue and recovery workers, as well as some residents, students, and office workers of Lower Manhattan and nearby Chinatown. "No steel building has ever fallen from fire and yet three did in one day..." A fire is one thing, a jumbo jet full of fuel going at 400 miles an hour into a building is another thing. Apples and oranges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse Seriously, why does every descrepency instantly lead people to believe there is some huge dark conspiracy? "redrum - do your homework before you believe the "experts" - the guy who wrote that piece was exposed as being the cousin of the director of homeland security. he then admitted himself. " Don't know if you bothered to read the link I posted before but you might try giving it a look, it really is a great explanation about the physics behind the collapse: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ |
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denied the area was toxic - therefore you can't use it as your argument for why the scrap was shipped off so quick. if the fires were so hot, why was the smoke pouring out black (no huge flames) and people can be seen in the and the construction manager of the wtc's disagree with you, the buildings were designed to withstand planes hitting them providing evidence from an open source encyclopedia is probably the least reliable source of information |
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and PBS, the source of one of you links, receives federal funding on top of donations from individuals, therefore, any information they provide on the matter can not be trusted. |
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it needs to evaporate, a pool of liquid kerosine won't ignite, i saw on tv once |
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"and PBS, the source of one of you links, receives federal funding on top of donations from individuals, therefore, any information they provide on the matter can not be trusted. " not only is that a factor, but in the PBS documentary "why the towers fell" they clearly omit the central steel column frame of the building. They act like it completely doesn't exist. Also they say fire was able to bend and elasticize the steel because the airplane impact cause all of the fire retardant to "fall off" the steel columns. If the tower fell because of a bending and lose of integrity in the steel , which is near impossible because steel needs a temperature of at least 1500 degrees to elasticize, then it would have fallen more slowly instead of a near freefall collapse. It fell a mere 1 second longer than if you held a piece of steel at the hieght of the tower and let it drop through an actual vacuum. Wouldn't the floors below cause some resistance if it was indeed a pancake collapse? Its strange to me that concrete and steel almost have the same resistance as air if you believe the official story, because it defies the laws of physics. Can the weight of the floors above cause everything below it to be literally powderized and then carried in the air as far as Ney jersey? |
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"The wtc buildings were full of dry wall. That shit burns like a hay stack. " thats true, except if you listen to the firefighter tapes you can hear several firefighters saying they think the fire could be easily controlled with "2 lines" within one hour. not only that but the fire caused by the debris inside (desks, computers, carpet, walls, etc) cannot get hot enough to melt or bend steel. Sure it might have caused a partial collapse with pieces of the building falling off. But it is physically impossible for it to have caused the building to freefall collapse in 7 seconds. |
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Maybe you notice I am posting links to sites like Wikipedia (which if you bother to look at the bottom lists its sources), Snopes, PBS, etc. and you are posting links to conspiracy sites and blogs. So let's not argue about reliable sources of information. "FEMA denied the area was toxic - therefore you can't use it as your argument for why the scrap was shipped off so quick." How long should the rubble have been left around to satisfy the conspiracy theorists? The Nova documentary I've been posting the link to describes how a team of engineers inspected the rubble to figure out exactly why the buildings collapsed. Apparently any conclusion that doesn't lead to some ludicrious far flung conspiracy will always leave a segment of people unsatisfied. It seems to me your problem is less about how long the rubble was left around than it is about the rational conclusions the engineers reached. BTW, here is a Sierra Club report on how toxic all that junk was: http://www.sierraclub.org/groundzero/ "and the construction manager of the wtc's disagree with you, the buildings were designed to withstand planes hitting them " Obviously he was wrong and again, this link explains why: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse.html I'm sure this Dr. from MIT is probably in on the conspiracy as well. |
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"and PBS, the source of one of you links, receives federal funding on top of donations from individuals, therefore, any information they provide on the matter can not be trusted." Hah, have you ever watched an episode of Frontline? PBS is 10x harder on the Bush administration and goverment agencies than the mainstream media. Or maybe that is what they want us to think? OOoooOOOooo |
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