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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-01 18:44 [#00108015]
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is anyone here anti-capitalist, and if so, why?
$f$u$c$k$
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-01 18:50 [#00108021]
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because food production is a numerical sequence. (at best)
and people production is a geometric sequence.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-01 19:18 [#00108041]
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OFCOURSE I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats the only way to go baby!
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-03-01 21:33 [#00108151]
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I am because I'm against most things that end with -ist or -ism. I believe in a nice balanced system.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-01 21:41 [#00108164]
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The anti captalist philosophy is fundamentally flawed in that people are on the whole greedy. If people in under developed countrys were paid a comparitive wage to developed countries workers, the price of consumables would be to expencive for most people in the developed world.
For example: The amount of man hours it takes to make a pair of Nike running shoes would make them ten times more expencive if the Korean workers recieved the American minimum wage.
This is wrong but most people want to have these things as cheaply as possable. I don't think it will ever change.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 21:48 [#00108169]
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yes people are always greedy
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-03-01 21:51 [#00108170]
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010101: People from underdeveloped countries don't need as much money because everything is much cheaper there. What we do need to consider is not to completely rip them off(IMHO).
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-01 21:51 [#00108171]
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That is why Marxist philosophy, even though absolutly brilliant, will never work.
If I am a Doctor I would think that my work is worth more than a McDonalds server, so Mr. Doctor gets more money.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-01 21:54 [#00108173]
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Laserbeak things are cheaper because they are subsidised by goverments that are in debt to the developed world.
DROP THE DEBT
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-01 21:57 [#00108175]
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don't just fuck capitalism, fuck the decontextualization of everything and fuck man's seperation from nature and himself
fuck everything, and then fuck yourself.
and if you don't, you won't have to
hahaha.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-01 21:58 [#00108177]
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astar like it or not you are a statistic, who's oppinions do not matter in the big picture.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-03-01 21:59 [#00108179]
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I don't fucking care about capitalism, communism, lesbianism, Twoism, whatever. If you're on this messageboard, you're a spoiled fucking brat, live it up.
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-01 22:00 [#00108180]
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why's that?
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:00 [#00108181]
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right on 010101
i dont think people realize just how greedy they are... even 'poor' people in canada have a higher standard of living than most
the top 20 percent of the worlds population consume 86% of the resources!!!!!
the bottom fifth? ....less than one%
and we congratulate companies who give a whopping 1 % of thier profits to some sort of charity... like the ballet foundation!
(i saw some award like that @ my dads office once) you could be living on 1/86th of what ur living on now!
my god.. if everyone in NA gave a couple percent of their anual income to help developing countries.. it would make a HUGE difference to the poorest people, while we would hardly notice
but no, we groan over haveing to spend "our" tax dollars on even helping the homeless here...
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-01 22:02 [#00108183]
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you're a stastic too...
and how is it possible to say with certainty that ANY opinions do not matter?
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:02 [#00108184]
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yes thats true ophecks...
if u REALLY cared, you would sell ur computer and send the money to some poor family in haiti!
im not kidding... people think talking about it makes them some sort of morally superior person, some sort of activist, but no
we should all be ashamed of ourselves im not kidding
holy shit, we even have money to spend on CDs/vinyl!
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:03 [#00108185]
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More money was raised in the two weeks after September 11th (and I feel for those who died) than was raised for AIDS world wide in the last two years. It is scary
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:04 [#00108186]
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yes sadly true statistic 010101..
when it actually comes CLOSE to affecting you, you dole out the cash
but even if its some guy on the street in ur own city... its seperated enough from ur life that u dont care
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:06 [#00108188]
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I don't have to do ANYTHING, and I get whatever I want. I don't even have to dig through garbage, and walk around in rags, and piss in a pot, and labour when I'm 6. You've got a computer, you're god damn lucky. Count your blessings, this capitalism has made your life damn good.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-03-01 22:09 [#00108192]
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My opinion: Communism = bad(doesn't motivate) Balance/mix = good(best option) Capitalism = bad(lots of poor people --> war and terror/policestate)
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:09 [#00108193]
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ya ohpecks, thats what im saying...
we have the luxury to obsess over shit like fashion..
FASHION!!! how ubserd! try to explain how cool ur new backpack is to a kid who wears rags!
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-01 22:11 [#00108195]
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wanna know another neat stat?
roughly 10 times as many 3rd worlders died of hunger on a certain recent day of infamy
no war on hunger in sight...
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:11 [#00108197]
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thats why my stupid middle aged yuppie father pisses me off so much...
"oh, my life is so hard! i work SO hard.. i cant even afford the infiniti(car) thats the next level up from mine!(i 30)"
boo fucking hoo
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:12 [#00108199]
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'no war on hunger in sight'
: o
nice! im gonna have to use that...
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-01 22:19 [#00108214]
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no, i will foil you with laws of intellectual property!
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:20 [#00108216]
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you greedy capitalist! keeping all the cool quotable phrases to yourself... ; )
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eric_hard_jams
on 2002-03-01 22:37 [#00108245]
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capitalism is the bizness.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-03-01 23:51 [#00108303]
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I advocate order, but I advocate tolerance as well.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-02 00:11 [#00108324]
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Re: Marx
HREF="http://www.aphextwin.nu/mb/topic.php3?topic=5794&star try this link
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-02 00:13 [#00108325]
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ok .. take 2 HREF=http://www.aphextwin.nu/mb/topic.php3?topic=5794&start this thread
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TrevorGod
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-02 00:14 [#00108327]
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It would take approximately 4 earths to provide the resources needed for everyone on the planet to enjoy the same standard of living as the average North American. So unless we can find 3 more planets identical to earth we would have to seriously decrease our standards of living. Getting someone to give a couple bucks to a charity is hard enough but try to get them to reduce the amount the consume.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-02 00:14 [#00108328]
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ok fuck html
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-03-02 00:16 [#00108330]
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self-interest usually constitutes poor government
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-02 00:19 [#00108336]
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we cant send money to 3rd world countries... cos governments tax it + add it to the debts.... or something!!
We cant even send them out surplus grain, cos that would upset the poxy TRADE balance!!
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-03-02 00:20 [#00108337]
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I'm not anti-capitalism no... I'm anti communism, and I don't know a better way to run an economy so capitalism it is for me... Capitalism ensures that you have to work for what you get... sure lots of people are being taken advantage of in this world, and I'm obviously against that, but I'm all for the Drop the Debt thing that Bono is involved with... I think 1st world countries need to give the poor countries a chance to get in the game, and then it's up to them... we need to make things equal... like I said, I'm not an economist, so I don't have a better way to run an economy then capitalism, but I do think we need changes...
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Binaural Tea
from Christmas City (Christmas Island) on 2002-03-02 01:34 [#00108394]
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aaa i honestly dont care about ists n isms at all and shit freakin
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nacmat
on 2002-03-02 01:44 [#00108397]
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I am anti panties I am anti xanties I am anti wankies I am anti manties I am anti anties
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Binaural Tea
from Christmas City (Christmas Island) on 2002-03-02 01:46 [#00108399]
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its freaking cooler without panties n shit
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-03-02 02:06 [#00108409]
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well..though i dont agree with all the things that come out of capitalism..all these people who protest it are usually in the position of benefitting from it themselves...and also dont provide an alternative to it...they've tried communism...and it didnt work..for the same reason capitalism doesnt work...
so i cant really call myself 'anti-capitalist' ..when i dont have any suggestions for what else can be done...
i guess i could be called 'anti-greed' since that seems to be where most of the worlds problems stem from
so if we just got rid of greed...then most of the worlds problems could be solved...and we could then focus on the other problems..that arent a product of greed..
..i dont see that ever happening though, sadly enough
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-03-02 02:55 [#00108442]
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I dont really give a shit about anti-capatalism, because in our world today, hardly can 1 person make a difference. YOU NEED MONEY.
Anyways, I dont need to get into a large debate about this, beacuse I can go for hours.
Nacmat::. why did you post that? Its sorta scary.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-03-02 03:00 [#00108447]
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I am...capital is the only true source of war and hatred left..even the seemingly religous and racial conflict have their roots in captialist manipulation..
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-03-02 03:02 [#00108448]
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Ofcourse, because it seems fitting for people in power of "whatever" to gain more power on what everyone already has going on for them. ..... money..
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-02 03:10 [#00108454]
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well, see, i've got this shit right, and you want this shit 'cause all the cool kids have this shit, and with this shit you can get other cool shit, now the only way to get this shit is to do shit for me, often generating more shit for me so i can control more shit.
we cool?
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-03-02 03:11 [#00108456]
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And we'll tell ya the name of the GAME, booooyyyyyyy, we call it riding the gravy trraaaaaaaiiiiiinnnnn-aaaahahhahahhhhhh.
Da-da. Da-da.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-02 03:12 [#00108457]
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good point reflex
to change anything u need money
that means to change the system first u have to play it...
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-02 03:13 [#00108459]
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good old pink floyd..
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-03-02 03:14 [#00108460]
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The ''haves'' and the ''have-nots''...
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-03-02 03:26 [#00108467]
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astar::. think about it for a second. most of us know what capatalism is, but true capatalism does not co-exist with a monopoly[s], which pretty much run North America, if not the world infact.
Capatalism started with men trading other men for cows, wheat, grains and other goods. Its not fair when 1 farm sets up shop for the purpose of doing so and buys out everyone else, but hey so what if some crops and people die because of it in the process right? Thats capatalism. No - thats bullshit. It wont change though.
Aminal::. yes.... but most of the time once you play the system you become a part of it.
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-02 03:41 [#00108484]
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any ideology looks good on paper, that's what ideologies do
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-02 03:42 [#00108486]
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plus you get the added bonus of disguising the shit that actually controls shit
a 35%bonus/en prime!
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