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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-09-03 10:30 [#01714255]
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Here is Geraldo on location at the convention center in New Orleans screaming and begging someone to do something while Fox's unflappable anchor Sean Hannity attempts to spin things.
I don't know what to say.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-09-03 10:32 [#01714260]
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also
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-03 10:52 [#01714277]
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I can happily see this being the end of the Bush regime.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-03 10:56 [#01714283]
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basically because this is such a huge fuck-up and it's right under their own noses even Fox can't spin it.
it's mindblowing.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-03 10:57 [#01714284]
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That's a really interesting news report. Thanks for sharing it. I like the dude in the studio trying to make it sound like things are happening when the video footage and reporters in the field are saying otherwise.
How can this happen?
I too don't know what to say.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-03 10:57 [#01714285]
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don't kid yourself - it wouldn't surprise me one bit that if the constitution was amended and Bush could run for a third term, he'd get in.
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-03 10:57 [#01714287]
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when you can't be the heroes, find a scape-goat. (in this case it was the goat though)
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-03 11:01 [#01714293]
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Point taken.
Still watching this video and it's actually upsetting. It's not often I can say that about these things but in this case it is. The actual hurricane was nothing compared to what's happening now.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-03 11:06 [#01714296]
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god that CNN clip with senator Landrieu is awful.
she basically starts off with thanking just about every politician she knows or would like to know.
best bit is when she says she is angry.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-09-03 11:13 [#01714300]
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This is really really fucked up. More so than the rest of these, http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html, also must see.
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on 2005-09-03 11:22 [#01714303]
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a glimpse of the truth for narrow minded american majority
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2005-09-03 11:31 [#01714312]
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I just wanna say I fucking hate that journalist in the studio. the one who looks 40 years old with dark hair. he is such a cunt. i fucking hate the bastard.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2005-09-03 11:34 [#01714314]
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I can't add anything of any worth to the impact of those videos. Just Holy fuck. I was wondering why people were still in that stadium, now I know, they won't let them out. I really don't want to see how officials slime their way out of this, it's going to be ugly, and I hope they get royally fucking roasted.
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ecnadniarb
on 2005-09-03 11:45 [#01714318]
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That would be Sean Hannity. He is a fanatical republican conservative who is completely blind to anything that would negatively affect Bush. He's a loud mouth opinionated twat who beleives he is right about everything. Alan Hannity is much better but a lot quieter.
I wasn't really surprised at Geraldo, he often displays a human side and I have watched his shows from when he was with CNN through to his Fox News days, I am surprised at Shep though, for his to lose his composure so much means the situation must be horrendous and that alone will drive it home to a lot more people.
Hopefully the US people will get behind the negative media to an extent where they have to force accountability on the politicians...without the mass majority of people demanding answers it will just fizzle ut and Bush will again be off the hook.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-09-03 11:47 [#01714319]
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Today things have picked up. This was last night I believe.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-09-03 11:50 [#01714321]
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CNN Thursday, Anderson Cooper and a Senator from Louisian...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-09-03 11:52 [#01714322]
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Red Cross prevented from entering New Orleans
Also:
"The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter.) - George W. Bush expresses concern over a rich white person losing one of his homes
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2005-09-03 11:54 [#01714324]
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are they actually trying to kill everyone?
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2005-09-03 11:59 [#01714326]
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the mil is being sent down to shoot people, yes. its unbelievable. i hope bush is impeached and removed from office.
people from N.O. will begin coming into my town (dallas) to be housed in Reunion Arena... place where concerts and shows are held. nice stadium size. i will be there doing volunteer help and ill take pics and post them here.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-09-03 12:00 [#01714327]
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I had to find footage of that Bush statement.
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ToXikFB
on 2005-09-03 12:01 [#01714328]
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what!?, thats crazy...i cant belive this
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-09-03 12:02 [#01714329]
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People are getting out, I think it was bus only or something and it took a while to get the supply lines set up.
The thing is, there was the Superdome and the Convention Center. Things were started with the Superdome. But FEMA was so unorganized, Michael Brown, the head of FEMA claimed they didn't even know about the Convention Center "officially" until Thursday.
Ted Koppel asks "Don't you guys watch the news?"
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2005-09-03 12:02 [#01714330]
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geraldo is very passionate and awesome and id like to meet him one day, shake his hand or whatever. he used to have a talk show and he'd always get that passionate and crazy about stuff. good guy. has a big heart for kiddos.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-09-03 12:03 [#01714331]
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Hahah, yeah.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-09-03 12:03 [#01714332]
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Hah, I've always liked Ted Koppel for being blunt.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2005-09-03 12:05 [#01714334]
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bush is a complete tool. he is a moron. he should not be the president of the united states.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2005-09-03 12:07 [#01714336]
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I can't help but feel I am watching footage from the 50s or 60s. I only hope this tragedy marks a turning point that eventually leads to something better (and I don't just mean Trent Lott having his fucking porch put back).
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-09-03 12:10 [#01714338]
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Some kind urban settlement will remain, but New Orleans' downtown of hotel towers and megastructures may be the first comprehensive ruin of the Modernist city. Much of the stuff just outside New Orleans, and along the Gulf Coast, was largely post-war suburban fabric -- collector boulevards with their complements of fry pits, malls, muffler shops and subdivisions. We'd hope that the states of Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana will not undertake to rebuild them they way they were. The era of easy motoring is over now, and to rebuild suburban sprawl would be a double tragedy.
Jim Kunstler
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-03 12:15 [#01714341]
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he said that yesterday, didn't he?
isn't it amazing - half the country (and most of the world) is incredibly angry at you and your administration and you come out and say that.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-09-03 12:23 [#01714345]
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I think this little fiasco is showing everyone what a classic sociopath Bush is. He has no compassion or concern for anyone who isn't one of his cronies.
He doesn't even have or understand enough of human nature to take advantage of the killer photo opportunity it'd be for him to show up at, for example, the convention center personally handing out food and water.
The most disturbing thing is when he arranges his features into the "c'mon and cheer up, people" mask. Again, he doesn't have enough humanity or awareness to at least feign serious/sad/concern.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2005-09-03 12:28 [#01714347]
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>> He has no compassion or concern for anyone who isn't one of his cronies.
he doesn't much care for the military either. have you seen the way he speaks to them.... like they are a bunch of his college buddies he just got drunk with. and he wastes their lives with his oil war. tossed them in the desert to die and rot.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-09-03 12:43 [#01714353]
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He thinks they're dressing up for play-time, like when he got to wear a flight suit on the aircraft carrier. Fun!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-03 12:52 [#01714357]
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here's a quote from Greg Henderson, a pathologist still working in New Orleans, trying to help people there:
"The city has no clean water, no sewage system, no electricity, and no real communications.
Bodies are still being recovered, found floating in the floods.
We are worried about a cholera epidemic. Even the police are without effective communications.
A group of armed police are here at the hotel trying to exert some local law enforcement.
This is tough because looting is rampant. Most of it is not malicious looting.
These are poor and desperate people with no housing, no medical care, no food and no water trying to take care of themselves and their families.
Unfortunately, some people are armed and dangerous. We hear gunshots frequently.
Most of Canal Street is occupied by armed looters who have a low threshold for discharging their weapons.
We are still waiting for a significant National Guard presence.
The health care situation here has dramatically worsened overnight. Many people in the hotel are elderly or small children.
Many others have unusual diseases.
We have set up a makeshift hospital in the French Quarter Bar in the hotel.
There is a team of about seven doctors and pharmacists. We anticipate that this will be the major medical facility in the central business district and French Quarter.
Infection and perhaps even cholera are anticipated major problems
Our biggest adventure today was raiding the Walgreens on Canal Street under police escort.
The pharmacy was dark and full of water. We basically scooped entire drug sets into garbage bags and removed them.
We are anticipating dealing with multiple medical problems and acute injuries.
Infection and perhaps even cholera are anticipated major problems."
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-03 12:53 [#01714359]
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cont.
"The biggest question to all of us is: Where is the National Guard?
We hear jet fighters and helicopters overhead, but there is no real armed presence, and hence the rampant looting.
There is no Red Cross and no Salvation Army.
We are under martial law, so a return to our homes is impossible.
I don't know how long it will be and this is my greatest fear.
The greatest pain is to think about the loss, and how long the rebuilding will take.
That, and the horror of so many dead people ."
the whole thing over at BBC news.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2005-09-03 12:55 [#01714364]
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This is like Akira turned reality, in terms of urban chaos. Seems like multiple sides are fighting against each other, and even fighting within their own groups.
I'm still at a loss as to why troops are being sent there armed to the teeth. I mean, are they rescuing lives, or collecting them?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-03 12:57 [#01714368]
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trying to restore order to a chaos that is primarily being created because of lack of help.
go figure.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2005-09-03 13:06 [#01714386]
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Definitely in terms of Chaos yeah one can relate it to Akira. Definitely. In N.O. I'm sure it seems very apocalyptic. Widespread chaos and the primal survival instincts kicking in.
The mil is being sent down to restore and maintain order.
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-09-03 13:18 [#01714398]
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I can't watch videos on my shit connection, but I know they are sickening.
Has anyone here ever tried talking to a Bush supporter before? It's like they have some stubborn entirely inverted logic or something, ever since Iraq was invaded. The only comeback they have is something like "I'm right and you are wrong and that's the truth." and they ignore any kind of facts or reasoning. Cognitive dissonance I tells ya.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-03 13:29 [#01714406]
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It's good to see reportage like this on FOX. it's still very tame... as in, I think that interview with the mayor of New Orleans should've been broadcast, in its entirity, nation-wide. It was sincerely one of the most moving pieces of discourse I've ever heard.
One of the things I find most sickening, which the NYC Times berrated bush for, is his ever-persistant failure to stop smiling and grinning. You can't make light of a situation like this. He should be solemn and remorseful; instead he's literally shrugging off the deaths of thousands of people whose deaths could've been prevented, and instead eliciting applause with remarks like "and we're gonna build an even greater new orleans HUH HUH HUH"
Twat.
On this point, when I mentioned it to my mother, she showed me photographs from the Pope's funeral; photographs which her boss (Australian ambassador to Ireland) attended. Throughout them all, Bush is grinning and smiling. Wholly arrogant and disrespectful behaviour.
Another thing that grates my nerves is the military being sent in to shoot looters on sight. Why should looters be shot? This is capitalism gone mad - the people have NO food, NO way of getting food except for looting - so why the fuck should they be shot because their primal instinct kicks in and their bodies steal, in an order to preserve their lives.
What're they meant to do? Walk into the stores, take some food and leave money at the door? How the fuck else are they expected to survive?
Insane.
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gl1tch
from The Meantime (United States) on 2005-09-03 13:35 [#01714416]
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I can't even begin to make a concise comment on how upsetting it is that things like this are allowed to happen.
- The lack of accountability is even more alarming.
I do have to give props to the reporters that are making attempts to save their own sold out souls by reporting the actual f*ing news for once. It's the only positive ray I can see in all of this.
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ecnadniarb
on 2005-09-03 13:36 [#01714417]
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Yes the idea that looters should be refused the ability to take ten pairs of Nike trainers home to feed their starving children is a travesty. Also the pictures of people taking plasma T.V.'s should be seen in the context that they are starving and modern T.V.s contain many chips.
The looting is not all innocent, there are gangs roaming around murdering people who get in their way, and yes they should be shot.
As for Bush grinning, it could just be that he grins when he is nervous, a lot of people suffer from that affliction and it is very hard to overcome, it doesn't necessarily imply arrogance or disrespect.
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mimi
on 2005-09-03 13:41 [#01714423]
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trent lott? fuck his porch
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-09-03 13:44 [#01714424]
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Is Bush a racist? Hmmm?
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-09-03 13:54 [#01714435]
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The real question is, Is Bush a human? Hmmm?
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-09-03 14:01 [#01714444]
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We should send him to iraq, to find out!!
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-09-03 14:11 [#01714459]
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I don't think its so much the looters that they are being sent there to shoot, so much as the gangs of people who are purportedly driving around and shooting at anybody they feel like.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-03 14:21 [#01714476]
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Also the pictures of people taking plasma T.V.'s should be seen in the context that they are starving and modern T.V.s contain many chips.
I have seen no such pictures.
The looting is not all innocent, there are gangs roaming around murdering people who get in their way, and yes they should be shot.
Absolutely. However, putting people on the streets with m16s, straight from iraq is going to lead to many tragedies.. they're going to be completely in the wrong state of mind.
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ecnadniarb
on 2005-09-03 14:29 [#01714484]
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I don't see why? Surely their sactions in Iraq should be identical to their actions in New Orleans in that their job is to protect innocent civilians and maintain order.
Regarding the plasma TV's, when the looting first began Fox News and BBC both had footage of electrical shops being looted. If people were looting out of necessity I have no problem at all with it as I am sure 99% of the world feel...however there are gangs looting,killing innocent people and taking pot shots at rescue helicopters (even coast guard ones) which puts more lives at risk without cause. There is a real need for a military presence there, one just has to hope they approach and deal with the matter in the proper way.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-03 14:33 [#01714489]
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"I don't see why? Surely their sactions in Iraq should be
identical to their actions in New Orleans in that their job
is to protect innocent civilians and maintain order."
that didn't go much to plan in Iraq though.
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-09-03 14:33 [#01714490]
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just think, soon those plasma tvs will probably be on the walls of rich men watching fox news.
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