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With the deliberate assassinations of two high-profile Hamas leaders, guaranteed to stir the Palestinians into more extreme action, not to mention turning the Arab world even more against them, I'm wondering it they are trying to engineer some huge confrontation, which will inevitably drag the West into it -- most probably, sickeningly, on the side of Israel (although I feel a lot of Western States will not side with Israel) ... Are they trying to bring about the Final Confrontation? -- marlowe, Anti Zion since 1947 |
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I don't know |
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So you're ok with Israel being destroyed? |
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Yeah, I have wondered if they are trying to start a "proper" big war (with as you say, the west on their side). Perhaps they see this as the only way to draw it to a close? It's generally accepted that "peace keeping" merely prolongs conflict, albeit in a more low-key manner. Decisive victory and utter dominance by one side lends itself to a more stable situation at least... |
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I'm OK with "Israel" being handed back to the Palestinians, yes. Ceri -- Subdueing a population thru fear and corrupt power will lead to a "stable" situation, yes. At what price? Backing the Bully is hardly the thing to do in this situation ... On the basis of some Spurious claim that "God" said they could have this piece of land, the Allies have created a nightmare in the Middle East for the past 50-odd years ... Why not tour the world designating arbitrary pieces of Land to whomever they feel like, because maybe their "Gods" or Ancient Scriptures said it was there ... it's utterly ridiculous ... Why not go to Australia and give the Aborigines the land back, or go to the USA and give back the Continent to the natives? It was corrupt to begin with, and it'll stay corrupt until the Land is given back. |
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israel would have american backing as they make a lot of money from the arms trade with israel |
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i think they're okay with the way they're doing it now |
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I think it's safe to say we can blame bibles for all of this ... Not trying to sound all SLAYER cool and shit but thats just what I think. Even Bush said he was sent from god. Like what the fuck. ANYWAY ... "God" is such an excuse to kill people and get away with it. This is like one giant fucking witch hunt or something. And like they made such a fuss about "Oh we are gonna find bin laden!" Then they just found Saddam and made it seem like thats why they went over there in the first place. All media bullshit and the Walmart family's eat it up like seamen at a bukkake party. CNN reports it, so ABC news wants the story, and CBCs grabs it , and like whatever else. Half the time everything gets paraphrased and works it's way down to the papers, and then it's just like that game telephone. first person "Man starwars rules" last person "Fungusman is gay" |
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i'm happy to see israel destroyed, it was an artificially created state robbing land from the palastine state. Then they had the nerve to invade bordering territories like nazi's invading poland. |
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Faith = good way to build character. Using faith to run a country = good way to start wars |
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"God" is such an excuse to kill people and get away with it. it's not a good excuse - it's lame. People should take responsability for their actions and not blame it on some other force. I am very anti-violence... well when it comes to 'real' violence anyway. |
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Yes, Israel was given a set amount of turf, and since the 1950s, has been systematically expanding (illegally) their territory, and the West has done diddly-jack-shit -- the Holocaust has put Israel on a pedestal -- people are too scared to openly criticise them here, because they'll be jumped on as being Anti-Semitic ... it's insane... thankfully, some of the European leaders have openly been critical of Israel's new tactic ... there IS hope. |
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People should take responsability for their actions and not blame it on some other force. I mean you can be inspired by anything or anyone, but you're still the person to perform these actions - so you are responsible. |
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International law is woolly (in terms of definition, who adheres to it and who will enforce it) at best, so writing any war off as illegal isn't really sensible. Law only works on the assumption that it can be enforced by a higher power. This is normally the state. In the international arena, the "higher power" is either the most powerful country (or alliance of countries), more powerful beings from another planet or, God. Do not confuse ethics/morality with law, they are different things, even if there is a great deal of crossover between them. |
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I wasn't referring to the recent War -- I'm talking about Israel basically Invading another country and occupying their land ... That, to me, is not very legal, however woolly any of the legislation: they were given X-amount of land, and arrogantly decided they wanted more, so they went about killing civilians and destroying their homes so they could move themselves in. |
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just like hitler |
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israel = stupid hypocritical cunts jesus ive been to the jewish museum in berlin (picture) and its full of the jewish history, how they have been expelled from everywhere ever since.. but it starts to sound like a load of bollox to me, all the whining about how terrible they have been treated. killing the palestinian leaders and claiming land just like that *dont get me started about those walls* gets on me nerves |
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Don't get me wrong- I don't support what Israel have done on this occassion. A family friend has had one of her houses near the Ghaza strip simply bulldozed by the Israelis and the land seized. She says no warning was given and that she is just grateful no one was inside at the time. |
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If you look at all the Jews who are influential in the worlds only Superpower. ie. the USA, whose veil Israel not so subtley hides under. It may explain Israel's insane violence against the Palistinean people. Of course, I may be accused of being Anti-Semitic. But I call a spade a spade. |
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Yes, it is time to stop treating Israel with Kid gloves ... what happened in WWII was atrocious, and brings shame upon the human race ... (it pisses me off that it is often overlooked that the Romany were also gassed, as were homosexuals and other "Impure" people) ... It is no good allowing them to do what they do -- they will bring down all of us if they continue along their current projectory. |
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EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana: "The European Union has consistently condemned extrajudicial killings. Israel has a right to protect its citizens from terrorist attacks, but actions of this type are not only unlawful, they are not conducive to lowering tension." ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw: "The British government has made it repeatedly clear that so-called 'targeted assassinations' of this kind are unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive." ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- French Foreign Ministry statement: France "declares once again that extrajudicial executions contravene international law and are unacceptable." ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini: "Italy, like the whole of the European Union, has always condemned the practice of targeted assassinations, which contribute to furthering the spiral of hatred and violence." ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko: "Moscow is seriously concerned about the potential consequences and worsening tensions in the Middle East. Russia has repeatedly stressed the unacceptability of extrajudicial settling of scores and 'targeted killings'," "We do not contest Israel's right to defend itself from terrorist acts and protect its citizens but it must act within international law." ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer: "At the end of the day it's unwise to be assassinating, successively, the leaders of Hamas. It's likely to inflame the situation." ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Arab League spokesman Hossam Zak |
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to put another spin on things, perhaps hitler did the Jews a favour. They would not be where they are now otherwise. |
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yeah well in a twisted, kinda look-what-the-world-is-turning-into way you re right. |
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Well, let's not forget that Hitler was Jewish himself! |
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I see a much darker future as we advance in time and I fear that those conflicts and wars put an end to OUR peace. Human life get priceless, all our governements sees us as war meat and consuming whores, South is getting poorer, North is richer than ever, Religious of the three religions are playing the goat game (yu know, the one where they run front to front and bang each other heads). Sadly but frankly i'll tell you, I have not much hope on the issue of all this shit of a mess. There will be war. There will be deaths and all we will be able to do, is to try to defend our lives. |
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so it was his self loathing that was his problem? |
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More likely his drug addiction and obsession with the Occult ! |
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i though that was popular misconseption i think his mother married a jewish man and changed his name for a while but hitler is in fact german i could be wrong... |
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north = west? well i think that even in the west there'll be a greater gap between a rich elite and a poor lower class |
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meh from what i remember he was 1/8th jew or something |
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Hitler was Austrian. |
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... Judaism is a Religion, German is a Nationality ... I thought he was born in Austria? It's confusing because of shifting boundaries ... |
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like i said i could be wrong its just what i though i heard a while back *shrugs* austrian=my bad |
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The quality of "Jewishness" is a racial trait as well as a nationality and a religion. Just as someone can be hispanic (genetically speaking) and yet culturally British, you get people of Jewish descent/appearence who adopt other faiths. |
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fuck the palestinians they want whats not theirs. simply put in our religion it is ours, it will remain ours. they can use all the excuses in the world but we're willing to live with a good portion of palestinians, what do palestinians want from us? to get eradicated along with the rest of western civilzation. you should be thanking the jews even the turks for having any form of democracy to control those animals. the war will go on as long as israel becomes more prosperous and the envy and self loathing keeps growing in palestine. wake up people you're next in line. |
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animals :-/ |
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you are a prime example of a FUCKING IGNORANT IDIOT |
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yes if you dont read the qu'ran and follow their oppresion- in their eyes you're considered infidels. so calling them animals is a nice way of putting it. |
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"fuck the palestinians they want whats not theirs." stop watching fox news, just about every country apart from the good ol' USA has condemed state terrorism from Israel... |
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nice farting there ChildrenTalking . plonker. |
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if anything, then, history suggests that palestinian violence results not from desperation but from hope. I'm not saying things are quite this simple. people's brains work in different ways. some palestinians are radicalized by despair and pacified by hope. for others the reverse is true. but historical facts mesh better with the idea that palestinian violence results from israeli weakness than with the idea that it results from israeli strength. the palestinians may never really accept israel's right to exist, but they may make peace if they conclude that destroying Israel is impossible. |
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yes and all palestinians are equal and get totally lets-blow-myself-up-agressive by hope childrentalking = closeminded selfrighteous jew |
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jareon: i have not heard one intelligent response in regards to this topic except slander towards me. WHAT DO YOU suggest we do, the jews will not relinquish israel so u can get that pretty faggot idea out of your head. |
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30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35,36, 44, 42 ORANGE 58 47 47 66 67 orange? 42 44 6010 44 53 17 13 YEAH THATS RIGHT! *calms down a bit... |
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see i knew you wouldn't come up with anything, so until then ISRAEL WILL KEEP DEFENDING ITSELF, NOT INFLICTING DAMAGE TO INNOCENT CIVILIANS. |
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id say make the israeli's a) stop assaulting palestinan leaders b) only use the land they initially got c) act normal against palestinians, no stupid laws to make their lives miserable d) for chissake tear down those stupid walls |
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so you're doing exactly the same, eh? nice going... |
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Fuck Yassin and Rantisi, my only regret is that the Israelis didn't take out every single mourner at Yassin's funeral ceremony with RPGs - they should consider doing that at Rantisi's. These are men who plan and plot suicide bombings involving women and children wearing explosive vests. The world is richer for having lost them. |
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i posted that when i hadnt seen your reply [#01148152] yet |
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i hate threads like this because you can never really have the time to chat properly. discussing issues like this is not a bad thing, but there is a lot of questions that are to be asked etc..... lets not get into name calling though, im sure we can all have some sort of dialogue without getting all lame.... |
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