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Whats the appeal of this genre ? Most of it is cheesy as hell, and isnt very intresting to listen to ? Modern electronic music is far more complex, dare I say it ! You have an open pallet . You can be the whole band in one. No stupid drummers. Even though drums are cool. You can make a computer an instrument. Velocity, Timbre, Cutoff, Resonance, etccc...so why would anyone who is intrested in music claim that classical music is suprior to TECHNO, drum n bass or even POP MUSIC? |
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yes im afraid so, but others might disagree |
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erik satie nuff said |
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ian knoll nuff said |
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Can he werk a drum computer like squarepusher can ? |
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boring question. |
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boring answer. |
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answer? |
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boring thad smoyer. |
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i enjoy classical music, especially when i'm coming down from drinking. its just the best thing to listen to imo. |
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erik satie |
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who the fcuk is that >? |
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find out |
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brilliance. |
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he is a genius, of which i believe there are few |
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have you ever heard of Thad Smoyer, hes pretty genius. |
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go for the gymnopedies 1-3 (his most famous work) then go for the gnossiennes and nocturnes. |
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i wouldn't say it's superior.. or that really any type of music is.. as long as it is expressing some kind of emotion.. and when it comes to emotion, classical music seems to be more focused on melody and less on texture and non-discernibly-toned rhythmic sounds. in my opinion, melody is an easier and more powerful means of emotional expression. the more texture and rhythm oriented music like "rock", "techno", "pop", etc, usually combine the two elements.. but sometimes the beats are used to make up for the less-than-interesting or intense melodic elements. the "beat" part of the music really caries no real emotional quality, as in happy, sad, etc... if you disagree, listen to just a drummer playing a beat.. his/her beat can sound powerful, it can sound like its meandering in an off-kilter fashion, or it can sound like it is maintaining a straightforward pattern that might symbolise some kind of intensity.. it may be slow and lacklustre.. but it's not usually possible to convey emotion through rhythm alone. no one ever says "hey what a sad-sounding beat." so, what it all boils down to is, all music that uses melody has the same possibility of expressiveness.. if one is to add rhythm, it doesn't make the song better or more expressive, or worse.. it just means that the composition is relying on a rhythmic element. ..so, no, classical music doesn't suck. it's quite good, in my opinion. |
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i agree, theres advantages and disadvantages to ANY artform. theres bad paintings in any style, bad films of any genre. |
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monoid obviously hasn't listened to any classical yet, because classical is like fuckin butter on bread......you gotta have it man. and if you think you don't you're just some asswit who thinkgs electronic msuic is the answer to everything |
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yeh, i dont view classical so much a genre as i do a time period. they did alot with what they had. if mozart or beethoven were using cubase and dsp's, theyd put d james and everyone else in their places. |
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i can't believe ur statement monoid... just tell me why is electronic music so complex than classical? if you didn't notice music that we listen is made purely of well arranged loops with maybe 3 chords and that't,and on the other hand classical music is somewhat different. tons of chords are involved,harmonic progressions and stuff... not only you gotta have the itch for music like nowdays ,but you have to know how each instrument works and what are his caracteristics. so i have to dissagree with you! |
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sometimes monoid, likes to go against the grain i applaud him for that |
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..not to mention that music wouldn't have the level of complexity it does today if it wasn't able to build upon the music of the past, which was complex for its time. |
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I admit that most of the time I find Classical music pretty boring, and the instruments at the time were incredibly lacking IMHO... but Classical is good for certain moods/times of day. I don't hate it but I don't love it either. |
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The instruments are lacking...? The fack? |
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"Modern electronic music is far more complex" yeah right, how much classical have you even listened to anyway? |
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widen ur horizons zephyr...if you love music you gotta be able to take it as it is,and not judge it. |
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Monoid, you suck. |
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I love classical music. |
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I really do love it. Some of the most beautiful musiv I've ever heard is classical. |
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it is a boring trick, Thad. |
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..and what about modern classical music? to keep close to the electronic genre - Cage, Stockhausen, Xenakis, Reich, etc. |
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yes, a lot of the modern stuff directly influenced the fringes of electronic that we know and love... best to be a peace with all music, because you maximize the number of brilliant minds you come into contact with |
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classical music was composed to be heard live, not canned on a record or cd. beethoven's ninth symphony is a good example. as tibbar (i think) pointed out, classical is not a genre or style at all. it refers to western music of a period spanning hundreds of years. to say that classical music sucks (implying that "classical" represents a specific style or genre) or lacks complexity is to reveal your ignorance of classical music. that said, 99% of classical music, and 99% of electronic music, is not interesting to me. you like what you like, but i'd guess that monoid has probably heard about .00001 percent of existing recorded classical music. thus concludes another episode of plaidzebra's classical corner... |
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in fact, I would be surprised if Monoid has heard more than the same percentage of modern and/or classical electronic music. |
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just in their tonal color and what they were used for... Pianos send better now, guitars sound better now, brass (probably) sounds better now... I'm saying the instruments have been improved upon repeatedly, and I'm not even going to start on what new doors electric instruments, especially synths, have opened. Also, of the classical I have heard, most of the melodies do not please me for some reason, I don't have a problem with classical, but from most (there is some I do like) it's not really my favorite. plaster: if by 'not judge it' you mean just indiscriminantly listen to every piece of music that comes my way and not decide whether or not I like it, then no. |
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pianos send = sound* |
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Satie is way over-rated by certain sections of the ''IDM'' world, who overlook far superior composers, just because Dickhead James happened to mention him once |
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yet, Satie stil roxxor's (and in my opninion, Dickhead does certainly NOT! HA! there! I said it!) "and when it comes to emotion, classical music seems to be more focused on melody and less on texture and non-discernibly-toned rhythmic sounds." NO! VARESE! Ligeti! Xenakis! VARESE! Stockhausen! Varese! VARESE! not that these composers are actual "classical", but since you all call Satie a classical composer i figured wtf... |
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Long answer to this question: NO ! |
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I dont like putting a blanket over an entire genre. So Ill say "splorchnarf" instead... |
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that pretty much wraps this thread up! haha |
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I really like some classical music, particularly the more minimal stuff (Air on a G string, Barber's Adagio for Strings, etc.) but I agree with you that some of is quite cheesy. Almost like overwrought Trance/Dance breakdowns in some pieces, with the inevitable; intro, build, fade, build, big crescendo, play out. It's almost like the pop music of its time, even if it is more complex. I do like some of the full orchestra/choir "powerful" stuff like Orff and Beethoven's 5th and 9th. It also does my head in when people refuse to acknowledge things like Mount St. Michaels etc. are probably a lot closer in sound to the way RDJ intended, than the way a classical composer intended for a piece to sound when played by an orchestra (sheet music, even with additional instructions written on it is inherently limited). I mean, you get things like soloists adding their own bits in, conductors/orchestra leaders "editing" (primitive remixes?) the piece, More or less sections being used than intended (eg people using brass where none was specified). There is no way that there can be a "definitive" version of a classical piece, the way the original composer intended, unless of course it's modern and the composer gets his orchestra to record a version and declares that "how he intended it". But, a lot of modern classical music is gash and nowhere near as good as the old stuff... I've not heard anything more recent than from the 1930s that compares to the greats. |
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certain classical composers (not among the first) follow too many rules when making their music. This results in muzak. The ones who DON'T follow too many rules made GREAT music! |
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Yes, I blame the really rigid rules of musical composition at the time more than the composers themselves. We've got to remember that classical visual artists (painters, engravers, etc.) didn't really stop striving for photo-realism until the camera was invented. |
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Everything that is played today can be traced back to classical in some way or another, I'm talking about harmony, rhythm and melody here. Modern classical is great. Steve Reich is incredible, Schoenberg, Arvo Part, Zappa, Zorn etc. Then you have a lot of the more adventurous progressive bands like Art Zoyd, Univers Zero & Blast. Many of those bands are based around composition. If you find some classical to be cheesy, fine. But I think there is something for everyone, not just in classical but in every genre. |
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how can you put Frank Zappa in "classical?" |
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Rachmaninov would rape your pussy techno bitchez in the ass, bitch. |
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