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you people are so stupid. you go through some tradegy and you give up so easily. how many times does this happen in israel? you're doing exactly what the terrorist want you to do. The Spanish Socialist Workers Party ruled from 1982 to 1996 but ran a foul of corruption scandals and was voted out in 1996, when Aznar took power. idiiiiiiotttttttttttsssssss |
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If you're being sincere then I agree with you. |
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the conservatives shoudlnt have tried to exploit the attacks. blaming it on eta from the very first minute early was a bad move. |
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and by the way, calling some other country idiots from within the us is kind of weird |
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god this makes me so angry. as a jew/ and containing some spaniard in me. my parents are from cuba ruled by a communist regime, where in this fucking world has socialist party work? yes on paper its all nice, in the real world it is OBSELETE. if you thought 200 deaths were bad, lets see how a decade of running a gov't like this will be. |
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I applaud you. For once wisdom has reached these isolated shores. |
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haha |
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Have you checked out my new track? |
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spain = a bunch of pussies |
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ehm.. socialism isn't the same as communism... only to americans.. but americans doesn't have real politics, so... |
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The terrorists are the ones who really won that election. |
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drunken mastah> "shut up idiot" |
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well the first thing they are doing is pulling all their troops out of Iraq so its not all bad. |
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tell me the difference between your two main parties... name the difference. |
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yes, i did, if you mean the (retro) disco one? very nice, especially cuz i like retro disco :) |
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Yes I was pretty surprised and very dissappointed at the same time. The whole thing rank of defeat. Quite weak and spineless in my book. I don't know people can be really pathetic sometimes and quite frankly it doesn't inspire much respect quite frankly. I would have expected people to come out fighting and that would be reflected in the vote. I guess its no surprise the majority of people are weak when it comes to the crunch. As the old saying goes 'it takes only good men to do nothing for evil to flourish'. |
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Cuba is probably the nearest to a real communist country at the moment. And yes, it's not terribly appealing and it is a regime... Drunken Mastah: Indeed, a society based on game theory is probably the most "fair" and workable socialistic system that manages to strike a balance between rewarding the strong and helping the weak, but that is certainly not communistic. Fascism's supporters often describe it as "true socialism". |
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"Mr Blair and Mr Bush must do some reflection and self-criticism. You can't bomb a people, you can't organise a war with lies," Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero wow, he didn't waste any time attacking the US and Britrain but I do agree with him |
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Cheers tolstoyed :-). |
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i've talked to americans about this before, and the person I talked to thought, from the description I gave him of norways politics, that norway was a communist country! haha! we're socialist-democrats.. or something. descriptions suck. |
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The thing that genuinely scares me most about it is the myopia of the voters; the message it gives is, "As deplorable as terrorism is, sometimes we should give in to it." The long term effects this will have are unthinkable and will probably be seen as a "green light" by terrorists in other countries. |
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ChildrenTalking maybe if you knew what the fuck you were talking about you would be interesting. There is a world of difference between communism and socialism...in fact the current UK government is historically and still describes itself as a socialist party. Corruption runs in every government...they just hope it doesn't become public. |
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Socialism has worked very well in sweden for a LONG TIME! although they have been a bit too rightwing lately and some things are falling apart. "ehm.. socialism isn't the same as communism... only to americans.. but americans doesn't have real politics, so... " Well said !! lol =) |
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hear, hear! |
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"be seen as a "green light" by terrorists in other countries." I agree with that, this proves Terrorism CAN have an influence. The UK is next, no doubt about that. We should all put up signs in the town centers saying "we didn't bomb Iraq, Blair did!" Fuck the people being targeted for what the govermnent does. |
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There was a strong possiblity he was going to be voted out anyway. A lot of spanish friends, and I also beleive nacmat as well, said they thought the previous Prime Minister was doing a completely shit job anyway and needed to be voted out. The fact his government LIED about Eta didn't help them though...plus people didn't want the war in Iraq. If anything the Spanish people have showed strong principles and true democratic choice. |
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Indeed, a society based on game theory is probably the most "fair" and workable socialistic system that manages to strike a balance between rewarding the strong and helping the weak, but that is certainly not communistic. Fascinating! Got a link or a reference? |
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Yeah, my dad was good mates with a Swede when he was younger and used to go there on holiday. He said it's the best example of a socialist state he has seen (he is a socialist himself). |
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yeah, but all these attacks wouldn't happen if the governaments of bush, blair and aznar would listen to people-they were against the war in iraq...it would be very silly these same people would be elected again after doing the oposite of what the people want. |
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(children talking may have died when reality struck...) |
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ecnadniarb "There is a world of difference between communism and socialism...in fact the current UK government is historically and still describes itself as a socialist party" if i go through a long elaborate explanation as to how ignorant your response is it'll be blurred through all the curse words inserted in my response. so heres a simple definition to prove how you're wrong (to put it lightly) socialism: A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. IN POPULAR USAGE, THE TERM IS OFTEN EMPLOYED TO INDICATE ANY LAWLESS, REVOLUTIONARY SOCIAL SCHEME. See Communism |
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Nice one. Lol. |
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yeah i know, I read somewhere that 90% of Spain opposed the war in Iraq yet they stil went to war... thats wrong. |
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oh god... |
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ChildrenTalking: "where in this fucking world has socialist party work?" Sweden, UK and Norway are mentioned in this thread. I would imagine most socialist countries work completely fine, and even better than USA. For instance, compare the US-social security-system with the UK-system! UK is the winner on social-security all over! they've got the rest of the world beat! |
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i think westeren society has very wrong ideas about communism, it's not even half as bad as they're trying to show it...but i can understand that, you were brought up that. it's really silly to see, especially us citizens being so affraid of communists |
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if that interests you, do a google on "John Nash game theory". The basic premise of game theory is this: Act in a way that benefits yourself (foremost), but also (ideally) helps others and doesn't screw someone else over. The most attractive part of it is that it eliminates wasted human endevour (which occurs in any "battle of the wills"/beauracracy/etc.). I've yet to see a working model of it applied to politics, even on paper. Perhaps the simplest real world example is in advertising. Once a company is well known, the only purpose of advertising is to steal the competitors clients (rather than to make themselves known). Say company A and B are the leaders in their market. If company A spends £1,000,000 on advertising, they will get some of company B's clients. To prevent this, B has to spend £1,000,000 to cancel out the effect of company A's ad campaign. Neither of them get more customers, the only people that win are the advertisers. If A and B sign a contract agreeing not to advertise this year, both of them save a million pounds. |
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By "applied to politics" I meant, "as a workable, political model". Game theory is applied to politics all the time- voting patterns, agreeing to vote on an issue you don't care about with an allie in exchange for their vote on a subject important to you, etc. |
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I was referring to commonly accepted opinions over what communism is...if you are going to go into dicitonary definition of what they mean then there is fuck all wrong with communism...maybe you need to learn the difference between communism and dictatorial regimes under the guise of communism. |
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Now I definitely know why Britain needs to remain independent and out of Europe. Lol. |
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let me reiterate your response for you ecnadniarb "uh uh you used a dictionary, cheater *cries*" |
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Fucking hell, no wonder this country is so fucking stupid with people like you in it. Near the same proportion of British people where against the war as well. Maybe you could stay out of Britain? |
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what an excellent message to send to the world; 'if you want something changed, blow up some commuter trains!'. it even kindof rhymes. |
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yes, I can see you use the same arguing technique as most americans who appear publicly. "they don't agree with me! i'll ridicule them and bomb them!" let's see how long you can keep serious and to the point, eh? |
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haha, you really think that...maybe it would be better if they would elect the same governament again and then bomb some other arabic country, perhaps iran or jemen...yeah that sounds much better |
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70% is the actual figure. Not the same sorry. |
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:) i knew that was coming. |
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I've yet to see a working model of it applied to politics, even on paper. Dang - I was hoping you knew of some obscure government or party with a platform based on game theory. Thanks for the link though - every time I come across the notion of game theory I keep meaning to read up on it more... |
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a) Depends what poll you are referring to. b) It is still the majority of the populus who should, if they were against it, stopped the government doing it. This country is weak as well and will vote the same government in next time. I respect the Spanish for the choice they have made. Unlike you who describes them as "weak, spineless, pathetic and not deservant of respect" |
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Shit that was meant to be a follow up to prhomo. |
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