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So, yeah, I'd like to pick up a Black Dog album... but I don't know whats the best (or availible... they are hard to find yeah?) I really like some of plaids work, but it seems kind of hit or miss at times, and according to what I've heard, Black Dog is killer? Any help would be greatly appriciated! |
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1. Bytes 2. Spanners 3. Temple of Transparent Balls 4. Parallel Forget the rest. They are shit. |
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thank you sir |
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no problem, my old friend. |
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i'd go for bytes as well. their sound is quite close to plaid i'd say...i like black dog a bit more tho. |
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Unsavery Products...like that one....great ! |
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I have bytes and spanners, I like them both spanners I think has more long term likability wheras bytes is instantly likeable |
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would you say black dog is as melodic as some of the plaid work? is it glitchy? downtempo? i mean, I really know nothing about these releases... except its the 2 guys from plaid (plus others?) and sound similiar (if not better) |
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I recommend you stick with Plaid and ignore Black Dog altogether. But that's just me. |
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how come? |
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I just don't like em. I like some earlier IDM but BD just don't do it for me at all. The latter half of Trainer isn't too bad, and Angry Dolphin is of course a classic, but the rest of it I just... nah. |
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well, this isn't too reassuring, because if Im not mistaken, you are a big plaid fan |
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Yeah, huge... but I did get into Plaid first and worked backwards. I took to Plaid instantly and really like their typical sounds a la Double Figure. When I got Trainer I was like... "Yuk, what the fuck is this?". I downloaded the BD albums and got rid shortly after... it's not for me, but that's not to say it's not for everyone, as Bytes is consistently named as one of the best "IDM" albums ever on here, often by people who probably know better than I do. |
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black dog sound a lot like plaid, their sound is the same but the beats are more straight...basically :) |
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bytes sounds all jumpy and happy, almost like plaid 'cross' early idm 'cross' jazz the other cd I have,.. spanners, also has the oldschool idm 'cross' jazz thing happening, but with some tirbal beats added in, like hte sort of stuff you expect them to be playing in some egyptian jungle |
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sorry but i don't think so....the hole blackdog thing is more heavier than the plaids.....i would say Techno, downbeat |
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black dog are far better than plaid. bytes, paralell and spanners are essential. anything after is not. |
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new plaid vs. black dog's bytes is like standard N64 games vs. classic NES games. it looks/sounds a bit dated but it's still an evergreen and could easily beat 90% of current available games/music. and although at first listen it may sound a bit simple it is possibly the most intricate music around. spanners idem minus the 'sounds a bit dated' and it sounds less like plaid; its more trippy and relaxed. if you want to buy black dog albums, these two are a must. |
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bill hicks is right on this one. if you only buy one, it should be "bytes," and if two, the second should be "spanners." then temple, then "parallel." i'm astonished that anyone who likes plaid doesn't like "bytes." |
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Bytes is a corker! Really nice melodic textures andconstruction very advanced for it's time. |
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bytes is my fav black dog but the dated-ness of it is too much for me to ignore so i rarely listen to any black dog. so i think I'm with Jarworski on this one. |
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i understand that it's important to some that music not sound dated, but doesn't all music reflect the time and context of its creation? tracks that are made ten years ago sound like it, especially with the subsequent rapid development of technology and applications in music recording. doesn't all music that's more than a few years old sound dated in some way? does "dated" really mean "unfashionable," or is "dated" just a way of saying that you no longer appreciate a particular sound and style? of course almost all kraftwerk sounds extremely dated, but i have difficulty in understanding exactly why that should be a reason not to like kraftwerk... |
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Bytes is freakin' incredible. I need to get Spanners, but Plaid has no involvement on that one right? |
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i guess i never really appreciated Black Dog stuff. and as time and technology has progressed, i appreciate it less and less. Plaid, on the other hand i have always liked. It is less house, dub, techno sounding. the beats and melodies are more interesting. but i'm generally not a fan of Dub or techno or house music anyway and while Bytes is good, i think a lot of other music has ruined that sound for me. hence, it sounds dated. on the other hand, i still love a lot of older bands who's music has aged more gracefully. like Pink Floyd for example. or early NIN and Skinny Puppy. Or early Hip Hop like KRS1. |
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i think pink floyd etc has aged gracefully for you because you like it for what it is... nutshell: spanners is the last album with plaid's involvement, and the only album proper (bytes, temple, and parallel are all compilations of various records by the core trio of plaid and ken (who carried on as bd after ed and andy of plaid left)). |
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a black bitch |
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Good call on picking up some Black Dog...they are true pioneers to this style of music and are always overlooked by 7\fx and AE, yet they were around first. Anyway, I'd pick up the albums in this order: Bytes Temple of Transparent Balls Parallel Spanners All three are 'true' albums, except Parallel, which is a collection of their early 12's from the late 80's and early 90's (which has great songs, but it was really a corner cutter, and is rather cheaply made and mastered). 'Bytes' is an album as well, but each member worked seperately for the most part, hence the different aliases (on top of the fact they didn't want to breach contract with GPR). So basically they had two 'true' albums where they worked together, besides their various EPs. Phobiazero: If your reading this would you please respond, or perhaps I should E-Mail you....I've got a hunch about a certain board member whom you may or may not be aware of, just want to run it past you to see. |
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I should check out Black Dog too... can never have too much melodic electronic music! |
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revpersona is right, i was mistaken, temple and bytes should be considered proper albums. i could've sworn many tracks from each album saw independent 12" and EP release prior to the albums, but that's apparently not the case... |
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Yeah, I remember a ways back I thought they might of released the songs on 'Bytes' and 'Temple of Transparent Balls' seperately because Ed and Andy released some material on ART using their aliases. Although, I believe 'Cost II' from 'Temple.....' had a 12' released before the album. What I'd give to see Ed start back up 'Balil.' |
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black dog = plaid makes soft techno |
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Bytes is awesome, I think it's better than the comtemporary stuff RDJ was doing at that time. Fun shit. It sounds aged, but endearingly so. I do like Plaid a bit more though. |
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revpersona: please e-mail me, mate. |
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Sorry, just saw this...I'll get you tomorrow with that Email. |
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i've listened to the warp-net samples of spanners but actually i like temple of transparent balls more. Maybe that's because i've heard that one more often... what do you think is best? |
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I have this 2 mp3s about 1 hour long each. They are called Plaid, Balil, Blackdog live side A/B and even if I never managed to get the tracklisting or the origin of it ; I think it's one of the best ambient techno live set ever... If anyone can help me find the true story behind this mp3s... It's the third of fourth time I post this request on xlt ; I hope this time is the good one. |
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interesting.... send me a mail about it. i'd like to compare it with my current set of black dog liveshows. |
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I said everything before: plaid + blackdog + balil live 97. side A : 56 min 33 sec side B : 56 min 18 sec I'm pretty sure it's a legit live (vocoded voices saying blackdog at 5min side B...)but once again it can be mislabelled mp3s. |
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Hmmm....I don't think Ed and Andy were still part of The Black Dog in 1997.... Unless Ken had rights to use Ed and Andy's songs from their aliases? I dunno, I'd have to hear it, lemme know if you get that up on slsk. |
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It's inferred by the title that Plaid and Blackdog are 2 different entities. I can't remember which one of Ed or Andy is Balil and I'm not really familiar with the early albums but I didn't regonize any of the tracks on the recordings but the style is def. Blackdog. I'm sharing the first part on slsk now. |
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"Bytes is freakin' incredible. I need to get Spanners, but Plaid has no involvement on that one right? " Plaid is two thirds of the three people who made that album. Same with Bytes, although in Bytes I believe they all worked more independently. Spanners is an absolutely essential album. It's easily as good as anything else on Warp, ever... certainly as good as the best Plaid. |
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Spanners is a abolutely must have album. |
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definitely after ten years it still kickz azz! |
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i've been a huge Black Dog/Plaid fan for probably close to nine years and my finally 12" (Age of Slack EP) is in the mail to me now. i'd really have to say their two highest quality albums were: Temple of Transparent Balls Parallel basically the two GPR albums. Parallel is 2 1/2 GPR EPs of material - the Parallel Squelch EP, the Vanttool EP and 2 tracks from the 4 track Vir²l EP. GPR also put out a 5 track version of that EP called Vir²l Remix that had one extra Virtual remix not even done by them. Bytes is good as far as the Balil (Ed) and Close, Up, Over (Andy) tracks were concerned, but it never did for me what the GPR albums did. Spanners i always thought was better than Bytes as well, but that was my first Black Dog purchase ever. as far as single go the best are: Virtual EP Age of Slack EP The Black Dog EP Parallel Squelch EP Vanttool EP Black Dog Productions EP (as Black Dog Productions) there are others but i like them less. The Black Dog Peel Session did envolve all three members. |
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Are you sure Andy was Close, Up, and Over? I'm pretty sure that was Ken....although, I could be wrong.... |
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Ken was all of the odd one offs. he was Xeper, I.A.O. and Discordian Popes. i take it back. Ed alone was Balil and Close Up Over. Andy by himself was Plaid and Atypic. this is what was stated a while back on either the offical Black Dog site or the offical Plaid site. Discogs.com says something else but they are wrong (shocking). i think Ed's work was the best of Bytes. the Andy's Atypic track was very good as well. |
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Are you serious Ed was Close, Up, and Over? I always thought discogs had it right, because back awhile ago I read the same on Plaid's site. And yes you are right, the Plaid track is just Andy alone (discogs is wrong there). I remember Ed stating that Andy was the one who came up with the name. That's crazy if that's true about Ed. Because without a doubt the Balil tracks are the best, followed by the Close, Up, and Over. As much as I love Plaid, what I'd give to hear Ed do some more solo work. |
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wow im amazed i always thought i knew a lot about plaid :) |
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Raxmus is "THE" black dog track |
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yeah Ed is the man, though oddly enough i was never to into his Parasight EP nor the split EP Pure Plastic 005 w/ his track "Nine Open". the Atypic stuff was the best stuff from the Black Dog Productions EP. i had noticed that the tracklisting on both Rising High EPs were wrong. they have the sides switched as to which tracks were which. |
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