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offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2003-07-07 16:45 [#00770057]
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quoted from Dark Horizons:
"Terminator 3 & Alien 5: James Cameron recently talked with
BBC1 and revealed he's very happy with how Terminator 3
ended up: "In one word : Great. There was a small part of me
that hoped it wasn't good - but another part of me hope'd it
succeeded. And it did. And I'm so glad it did. Jonathon's
made a great movie. Arnold's in great form. I really like
what he's done with it". If he had done it, would he have
handled it differently: "Yes. That's only natural. I
mightn't have structrued it the same, nor may I have ended
it the same way - but coming in where he has, such a hard
thing to do, and I give Jonathan points for it".
This isn't a man whose going to whitewash his
opinion either, take for example his reaction to "Alien 3" -
"Hated it. Simple as that. I hated what they did.... I
couldn't stand Alien 3 - how they could just go in there and
kill off all these great characters we introduced in aliens,
and the correlation between mother and daughter. It stunk,
but hopefully I'll get a chance to rectify all that". You
mean the talk about him being tied to "Alien 5" is true? "To
an extent. yes. We're looking at doing another one.
Something similiar to what we did with Aliens. A bunch of
great characters, and of course Sigourney. I've even
discussed the possibility of putting him [Arnold
Schwarzenegger] into the Alien movie". Thanks to 'Ryan'."


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-07 16:46 [#00770063]
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-07-07 16:47 [#00770067]
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whar? arnie in an aliens movie? what the fuck


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-07 16:48 [#00770069]
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Hence my hmmmmmmmm.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-07-07 16:48 [#00770070]
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oo-er!!


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-07-07 16:49 [#00770073]
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yeah hollywood sux. i know its been said too many times, by
too many people, but really.. I mean comeone.... ! these
people live in totally different worlds than us.. this
sounds fucking stupid!


 

offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2003-07-07 17:09 [#00770118]
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Yes I refrained from any comments but this looks like it's
gonna be yet another big fuck-up off the Alien series. Can't
believe he HATED Alien 3 for those reasons. I just thought
it was brilliant to kill all the characters from "aliens"
right after surviving all that. To me Alien and Terminator
are dead now. Fek it.


 

offline ymenard on 2003-07-07 17:09 [#00770119]
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Terminator vs. Alien vs. Predator ;-D


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-07-07 17:14 [#00770135]
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no shit, to me terminator and aliens are dead too,,,, I cant
believe this shit.


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2003-07-07 17:14 [#00770137]
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please! NOT!
i heard of a comic containing this more than weird
colaboration-nonsense.

but i wouldnt be arsed if the had AvP
this somehow matches a story...
hunters and prey...
though hollywood would mess it all up anyway, those suckers


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-07 17:20 [#00770148]
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i like alien 3
but then, i like all of david fincher's movies.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-07 17:21 [#00770151]
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now, alien 4..
what a reeking steamer.


 

offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2003-07-07 17:22 [#00770154]
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now, alien 5 to be more precise, but yes alien 4 was already
more then enough to totally rape the integrity of the
original trilogy


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-07 17:26 [#00770160]
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yeah, but that underwater scene was pretty dope.


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2003-07-07 17:27 [#00770164]
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The new movie would be really funny if Arnie said "Hasta La
Vista Baby!" EVERY TIME he killed an alien .
Lets say he kills an even 40 aliens.

"Hasta La Vista Baby!" *Splatt*

"Hasta La Vista Baby!" *booom!*

"Hasta La Vista Baby!" *arrrgh kaboom*

"Hasta La Vista Baby!" * splooingts splatt*


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-07 17:32 [#00770170]
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what if he were to say
"EETS not a TUMAAH!!"

every time he kills an alien.

that would be phat.


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2003-07-07 17:39 [#00770181]
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They should dub him with sounds from that arnie sample
site.The entire movie , it would be really confusing hahhaa!


Alien moves in on arnie from behind , Arnie turns around ::
"Who is your daddy and what does he do ?"

"Im a cop you idiot!!!"


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-07-07 17:40 [#00770182]
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haha, if it were me id do something like that, totally ruin
it, it would be like the equivilent of smojophace... that
shit pile.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-07-07 17:46 [#00770193]
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Arnold + Alien = YES

I'd love it, but for a COMPLETELY different reason than I
loved the first Alien.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-07-07 18:47 [#00770232]
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could be your chance to see Arnold being ripped apart by an
alien.

I'll pay to see that.


 

offline DaWeeze from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-07-07 19:10 [#00770249]
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Predator vs. Aliens vs. Terminator vs. Robocop vs. Superman
vs. Batman vs. X-Men vs. The Hulk vs. James Bond vs. Darth
Vader vs. Lara Croft vs. Godzilla vs. King Kong (oh, hell,
let's throw in every Japanese rubber-monster movie character
ever put on screen) vs. Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey secured
back-to-back with steel chain (to add entertainment value ;)
).

Whaddaya think? Big summer movie blockbuster?

;D


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2003-07-07 19:14 [#00770254]
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Who would win ?

To not dissapoint any fans there would be 123 alternative
endings on the DVD.


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2003-07-07 19:56 [#00770287]
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Arnold has experience dealing with aliens (predator, which
was a good flick). so him in ALIEN 5 would be intresting to
see, only if directed by James Cameron.

JAMES CAMERON + ARNOLD = GOOD COMBINATION


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 06:29 [#00770592]
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Arnie would totally kick ass in an Alien film. Stick Cameron
in as director and you've just written yourself a licence to
print money.

Good to see Cameron give his blessing to T3.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 06:30 [#00770593]
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Terminator vs Alien vs Predator vs Superman vs Batman vs
Spider-man vs The Hulk vs My Huge Nuts. I WIN!


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-07-08 07:08 [#00770619]
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alien 5 HAS to be "Alien V: Predator".. its sooo natural,
what with the"V" for "5" and "Vs" in the title AND the alien
skull in Predator2 ..... i like the comics idea of the
predators seeding planets with alien eggs
Director: "Momento" guy for claustrophic vibes
Actors: Ian Holm vs: Lance Henrikson in big bot battles
Who wins? Earthlings end up destroying Predator homeworld
with alien infestation. Fuck em all!



 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-07-08 07:09 [#00770620]
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well, Alien vs. Predator is already in production..



 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 07:14 [#00770625]
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Oh please. I read this too on Dark Horizons and I was like
"pffff." Cameron hasn't directed a film - aside from that
ghastly 3D documentary - since 'Titanic'. The man's cred is
long gone, he's gonna come back with Alien 5 after like 7, 8
years and make a killer movie? The word 'St Anger' springs
to mind.

Ridley Scott was always superior.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-07-08 07:15 [#00770628]
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"Ridley Scott was always superior."

this, is true. although he has lost it too.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 07:18 [#00770631]
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I still haven't seen Black Hawk Down, I should remedy that
fact asap. Fact is the first Alien movie is better than the
sequel, all these zealots who claim otherwise should shut
up. There has NEVER been a sequel superior to the original,
and I include the Godfather in that.

Cameron can kiss my arse, way to go creating a superb movie
(Terminator) and diluting it ridiculously with a lousy
sequel. I'm not surprised he didn't direct T3, Arnie would
probably be tie-dye t-shirts and talking about saving the
whales for the whole movie.


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-07-08 07:42 [#00770683]
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yep.. i wasn´t crazy for T2 either but aaliens was an
excellent sequel strory wise and different style wise
too...



 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-07-08 07:54 [#00770695]
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the winner of this fight vs. the winner of
this fight.

single elimination.

hollywood vs. our wallets


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 08:24 [#00770720]
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Cameron's cred has long gone? What the fuck are you on
about?!


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-07-08 08:33 [#00770729]
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I agree.

"alien" is superior to "aliens".


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 08:37 [#00770735]
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Did you not see Titanic?


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-08 11:34 [#00770889]
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i agree
ridley scott had it, lost it.

black hawk down is a fun movie though. pretty typical war
action flick. nothing special.

Camron's Titanic, though structurally and thematically
unoriginal and ultimately lame was still an impressive feat
from a purely directorial standpoint.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-08 11:47 [#00770901]
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i'd say alien and aliens are totally different kinds of
movies. alien is more of a sci-fi horror film while aliens
is an action suspense shooter. they are both excellent in
their own respects without really competing for dominance in
a single genre.

Alien 3 follows Aliens theme of having a group of people who
are just totally fucked. though they are even more fucked
in Alien 3 as they have no weapons and no hair. I
think the 'no weapons' aspect is what make this a largely
hated episode in the series.
I like it because it has the sense of Panic present in all
the films except the 4th. and it has one of my favorite
scenes from any of the movies, where Charles S. Dutton is
giving his eulogy for the deceased that also serves as
narration for the dog-birthing-alien scene.

actually, i'm interested in why many people don't like alien
3 specifically. Is it because they killed off the good
characters from Aliens? Lack of explosions? Minimal
character development of the prisoners? Just curious.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-08 11:50 [#00770902]
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ahh, looks like my question has already been answered
here


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-07-08 12:05 [#00770915]
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I thought Alien 3 was terrific except for the ending. The
long maze chase was a yawner and then Paul Reiser shows up
to make his Reiser facial expressions and speak his
Reiser-words. Yuck.

I liked the parallel of sexuality and the alien as an aids
allegory, and Ripley upsetting the delicate balance of the
colony with her femaleness and the taint of the alien.

I loved the shot of a bloody scalpel tainting a beaker of
water.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 12:25 [#00770938]
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You mean the most successful movie of all time? Yes, I saw
that.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-08 12:26 [#00770940]
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paul reiser was in Aliens though, not Alien 3

but i too thought the autopsy scene was well lit/shot. The
surgeon guy's eyes look very creepy in that scene. and i
like the sound of that ribcage hand saw when he opens Newt's
chest. sounds like shucking corn.



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-07-08 12:30 [#00770945]
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I've never understood why Thurston Howell was mixing with
that riff raff in the first place.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-07-08 12:35 [#00770950]
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Who shows up at the end then? Lance Henriksen? I was sure
Paul Reiser was in that bit too. :: is baffled ::


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-08 12:53 [#00770986]
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yeh, its just Lance Henriksen as Bishop.

Paul Reiser gets his in the previous movie. Remember? he's
acting all cowardly, locks himself in and everyone else out
of that little closet. then he gets all wide eyed as he is
pummled by an alien off screen.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-07-08 13:46 [#00771071]
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It's my addled brain playing tricks on me then.

Thanks for reminding me how he gets it - brings a little
cheer to my day. =)


 

offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2003-07-08 14:25 [#00771119]
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"There has NEVER been a sequel superior to the original,

and I include the Godfather in that.
"

k, there are a few exeptions; Lethal Weapon got better and
better all the time. Lethal Weapon 4 is my favorite of the
bunch. Not in the least thanks to Jet Li's best performance
ever, Joe Pecsi and Chris Rock.
I also think T2 was better than 1.
I honest to God wouldn't be able to make a choice for better
Alien movie when it comes to Alien or Aliens. I totally love
Alien for it's claustrophobic, stylish and dark vision with
excellent characters... but wait all these elements are
present in Aliens as well. I remember being a nervous wreck
when they were entering those empty hallways using those
devices with the eerie sound.
And when one of the guys went to check the roof and they
were crawling all over the place... classic pure class.
Never mind the scene where she was sleeping with Newt under
the bed and the facehugger entered the room,scary stuff.
Ripley's character was brilliantly developed, and cameron
again showed in T2 how to make a totally believable female
fighter that could easily keep up with the men, plus I love
the whole doomsday atmosphere in T2.
I could never pick a winner if i had to choose between Alien
or Aliens, both are amazing pieces of work that can never be
surpassed, they don't contend with each other, they
supplement each other so it's utter bullshit to claim on
superior to another.

Btw Cameron hasn't exactly been doin nothing all that time;
think Dark Angel and expedition Bismarck? Even so, can't
blame him for staying away for so long, if only it were to
get the heat from all the fucking naysayers off his back.



 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 14:31 [#00771128]
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He has indeed been busy, not least on a lot of conceptual
work for upcoming movie projects including a big budget
action sci-fi film and Battle Angel Alita.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-08 15:33 [#00771190]
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evil dead 2 is superior to evil dead 1

toystory 2 gives toystory 1 a good run for it's money.

i prefer Empire Strikes Back to Star Wars: A New Hope

I enjoyed X2 more than X-men

I have to say also that Desperado was just slightly better
than El Mariachi if only for the flashier gun play and nicer
boobs. even though El Mariachi is fucking great considering
it only took 2000 dollars or something to make.

so i would disagree that there has never been a sequal
better than the original.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 15:36 [#00771196]
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Yeah, I agree that X-Men 2 is better than X-Men. I also
think T2 is better than, err, T and that Aliens is better
than Alien (though they're both great).


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-08 15:37 [#00771201]
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"Battle Angel Alita"

are they actually going to make that? Battle Angel is an
awesome comic!


 


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