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which IDM artists do you think possess the most musicality? please only respond if you know what that means. personally i think RDJ and jega probably have the most musicality, but i can think of a lot of others who use a lot of conventional music theory (whether they admit it or not *coughrdj*). please no one say venetian snares just cos you like his time signatures... |
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fuck it i'm listening to bad company's new record at the moment - that's a whole lot more exciting and fresh than moat electronica (won't use the word idm me) |
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For the uneducated morons, like me... musicality is defined by dictionary.com as musical sensitivity or talent. It seems to be a pretty vague word, but I choose autechre, crunch and otto von schirach. |
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tom j. |
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cylob and jean-michel jarre |
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if you're saying what i think you're saying, isn't "musicality" what defines IDM over other electronic music? |
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supposedly, but i'm being more specific here by emphasizing traditional music theory (for those of us who've studied it). |
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well I think Mu-Ziq :D j/k, i dunna nothing about musicality |
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I still like imaginary fantasy's melody music a lot more than all classical music except maybe chopin. I bought his DAM cd from mp3.com for 5 bucks! It's called music for singing hippos and is a masterpiece. *thinks about penguin love |
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µ-ziq Chris Clark Tom J. |
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no - it's nerdy fanboys who need some complicated programming to cling on t for superiority that defines i..d.m last time i was listening britney, michael jackson anf destiny's child were winning on the melody front and quite often on tne quality music front. |
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my point exactly.. but yet there are some IDM musicians who really do come up with some of the best melodies ever. sometimes they're simple, sometimes they're deceptive in that they use a lot of complicated music theory which isn't important to the listener cos it just sounds good. |
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Great topic my friend! I agree I think RDJ knows his Music Theory, I think Squarepusher knows a bit about it as well. What about Takemura isnt he a pianist? |
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So you study theory titsworth? Are you a music major or do you study it as a hobby? |
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takemura seems pretty well versed in music theory from what i've heard. a lot of idm musicians have been classically trained, but most of them aren't brilliant at music theory. if you want to count them (they blur the line between "post-rock" and "idm".. 2 bullshit terms for ya) i'd definitely count tortoise among some of the most theoretically advanced idm artists around. squarepusher... he's definitely a great musician but i'm undecided on whether or not he really knows a lot about music theory. he could've made MIRON and the ep's just being influenced by weather report and fusion era miles davis, not necessarily knowing the intricacies of what went into the music. in a way this is a pretty poor and pointless topic since so far, myself included, it's a lot of insubstantiated claims.. i guess i wasn't really prepared to explain exactly how so-and-so use advanced music theory in their tracks. maybe later. |
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de ja vous ;P |
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Jenkinson for sure,.. maybe Plaid |
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TJ |
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bjork! (unless that's out of bounds...) |
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Jenkinson knows the jazz route, RDJ knows his pentatonic scale and plaid know they're 'progressive, 70's scales'. There are no wrong notes really. things like 'demonicus de musica' which was banned for hundreds of years, where the half tone above was played simultaneously was demonic!!! sounds are sounds, like kraftwerk said...'you can hear symphoneys on the motorway, rising and descending pitches of engines combining is a musical experience!' but......there is nothing like a 'doh..reh..me..' song! |
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I am sure plaid know a lot of music (classic theory) as they can get so beautifull melodies uziq is surely one of those too |
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i'll say squarepusher for his sense of timing and rhythm and his overall knowledge of jazz. rdj for the obvious and already stated reasons. u-ziq for a playful sense of melody. i find the best sense of musicality in SAW vol 2 though. some of the melodies on there are sublime, and the usage of different time signatures and repeating melodies seems to create a sense of timelessness (take curtains for example). i might have completely gotten this musicality thing wrong, but thats my two cents. |
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mike p. i think has the best composition.. and his stuff seems to borrow alot influence from classical .. so. mike p. |
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quinoline yellow? |
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swan vesta is a nice example of his abilities. |
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Have you heard 'apollo' buy brian eno? SAW 2 is a 10 years later representative of this album, It's all wallpaper music, that has its place in the background... but... it's not a mile stone in music concoiusnous(splg!!!!). check some ealy eno/stockhausen for some real ambient focus. 'Stimmung' is a brilliant album although repetative by stockhausen but this is pure western tonality that influences people from bjork to AE to squarepusher... |
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Have you heard 'apollo' buy brian eno? SAW 2 is a 10 years later representative of this album, It's all wallpaper music, that has its place in the background... but... it's not a mile stone in music concoiusnous(splg!!!!). check some ealy eno/stockhausen for some real ambient focus. 'Stimmung' is a brilliant album although repetative by stockhausen but this is pure western tonality that influences people from bjork to AE to squarepusher... |
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2 times!!!! that's how serious I am!! |
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*.. i got an A on this fall 2001. it's an essay comparing reich's music for 18 musicians and SAW2. needless to say i completely disagree with you that SAW2 is just wallpaper music and frankly i'm surprised you think that. *tripod might be down at the moment |
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soz tits! I'm trying to play devils advocate. I'd love someone to challenge those primative thoughts and be punk about it. I need more a 'fuck you' attitued to this music instead of the mutual back slapping of 'yeah you sound like ae/afx/boc crap.. 8 ) |
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it's cool, i do the same thing constantly, i just wanted to protest.. rah, rah. did you like that vibert interview (+ mp3's) i posted? and that lfo white label? |
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I didn't know about that lfo bootleg thing? thanks for that....I'll have a look for the vibert thing.. |
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yea check your email from today. speaking of lfo when are you gonna send me that fawn "vengeance" track? i don't wanna have to wait till summer when i can download on slsk again, and no one else here seems to have that track |
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good paper. nice technical analysis of curtains. that song plays with my mind. jivver, i've heard nearly all early eno and some stauckhausen. i like it, but it doesn't compare to saw2. wallpaper music this ain't. |
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Pfft, fuck if I know. I've never been one to care too much for how ''complex'' something is, picking out all the clever scales and unique chord changes and progressions. Some people got the gift of game melodically, some don't. I guess AFX tends to have the melodies that stick with me the most, but it's not like any of them required a certificate of graduation from ''The School of Super Complex Composition'' to come up with. Jenkinson seems to have SOME kind of virtuousity, but I can't put my finger on it. It's not in his melodies. |
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that w/l isn't the "rob searle" remix is it? |
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so theres nothing objective about this thread at all then?, muciality = good with melody = if you like it that is = bollocks |
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"Plump DJ's". ----- The Plumps giving a classic old school track the remix treatment, nuskool style! -Mighty Ming- |
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is it genuine? |
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no it's a white label bootleg.. it's just a 2003 remix of the track "LFO" |
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i meant is it really the plump djs or someone masquerading as them to get more attention? just found it for sale btw, 7 quid :) |
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...then, in the early 70s, NASA improved bathroom technology with its vacuum toilet. |
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I'm going to deffinately have to say telefon tel aviv...they have such great melodies and even use guitar in some sections of some songs...i think they probably studied music somewhere |
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certainly rdj squarepusher u-ziq and .. listen carefully, autechre (lentic cahcsjh etc) |
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i like the overtones in the melody of autechre - piezo |
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my choice is bola, hands down. |
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ohhhh i'd have to agree with you abOOt TTA......they are sooooooo GREAT! they are so mysteri-o-so too =0) |
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damn. hmmm.... my vote is Plaid. Bola is close though |
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Bola of course, followed by afx, and then ae (esp. incunabula & amber) |
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what's so sophisticated about incunabula and amber? have you studied music theory? |
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