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wow, im surprised boc hasnt been mentioned yet.. and im usually the one to point out they're being mentioned too much.. but i think their musicality is right up there with aphex, µ-ziq and squarepusher's i think in regards to newer artists.. nautilis definitely seems to have a good ear, chris clark, rotor+, ttv as mentioned before, proem, manitoba, scott herren(prefuse73, savath+savalas, delarosa) and mum all have their moments funny so many people have mentioned plaid.. they themselves have said that they are not very skilled musicians, they claim to just stick to their scales... but that brings up an interesting topic as they make gorgeous music regardless so yeah, it just goes to show.. you dont have to know music theory inside and out to make good music |
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i like boc and all but i think their sound is pretty simple and i dare say cheap.. it's mostly just filters and stuff.. all in the production, not in the composition. i'm not saying they don't have great melodies, i just don't hear any brilliant musicality in any of it. same with a lot of the other artists you mentioned. this thread wasn't about putting down groups for not being expert composers, i just wanted to get some educated feedback on some of the intricacies people notice in the music we all listen to. so far i must say no one, including myself, has really come up with the sort of musical language i had in mind... ironically for all his spam i think zeus might be one of the best suited for this topic, since he's studying music at berklee and all. |
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To me musicality is a feeling, and RDJ definitly got that feeling. I really hate complicated music theory, the best music creators just use their ear and taste. The music theory is just rubbish! I just read a interview with Tod Dockstader, very intresting on how shooled music makers discriminate "pathetic amateurs" :( But my answer to Titsworths question is Tom J and RDJ imo. |
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Thats wierd titsworth cause im studying Reich in music theory as well. I have also made the connection between him and Aphex Twin SAW2 realese |
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I would have to say also answering your topic Titsworth, i would have to say the masculinity of it goes in this order for myself 1) U-Ziq (Deffinatley that Royal Astronomy album that clinched that, with the relations to classical music that Neeta pointed out) 2) Aphex Twin 3) Squarepusher |
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wolrd's en girlfriend for me, easely even tho i honly heard farewell kingdoms... if someone could be arsed, the melody to 'to cure a weakling child' is a really interesting composition if i remember right, it sound simple (like most rdj melodies) but in fact there's quite a lot of thought in it, not just : ah! stop there it sounds good... |
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I've always thought Global Goon's "Long Whiney" suggested a degree of (as in a bit of, not that he has a degree in...) musicality, but his other tracks don't really illustrate this. I'd say Hvratski (although I've only heard "Swarm & Dither") also seems to be classicaly trained. |
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He he, there is an article online somewhere (someone posted a link here about it, I think it might of been Marlowe...) that analyses music for 18 musicians and SAW2 and draws parallels between them. It says that CD2 of SAW 2 is a bit different which is something I'd be inclined to agree with. |
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Boards of Canada knows theyre shit, but RDJ knows the piano quite well to... |
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it this from titsworth, he got an A for it;), he said it earlier in the thread... |
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rdj tom jenkinson im not sure if this two are idm, but they now the theory i'd say: susumu yokota jan jelinek |
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I didn't realise someone on the board wrote it. Well done Titsworth, I thought that was a professional article :) |
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amon tobin or pushah |
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well, this topic is shit, but I'll vote for max tundra. he seems pretty good at incorporating more traditonal musical forms into braindance. oh and also joseph nothing, from what little I've heard from him. |
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what boards of canada have for me is a fantastic grey area. what might sound simple has a lot of implications.. the way the combinations of harmonies and hip hop styled beats suggest things to your imagination.. im listening to smokes quantity at the moment.. those 'sounds between sounds' as i call them are for me just as big a part of musicality as the educated edge. its also why im a dedicated autechre fan :) |
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Yeah, Amon Tobin's stuff is pretty damn polished and full of great little tricks. Really laid back and subtle though. |
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E-man, I was arsed once to try to figure that melody out. I almost got it right I think. http://xltronic.com/mb/topic.php3?topic=5528&start=0&seekwr d=weakling%20child&seekrel=and&idxstart=100 |
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not much idm has 'proper' musicality at all... many of them probably know very little theory.. boards of canada is just chord progressions to a beat... with a pretty melody thats in key (something that can be attaind merely by having a good ear)... and autechre, which seem to just be anti musicality nowadays dont get me wrong i love all this stuff, and im not dissing it. i go to music school where i learn production and also play brass and shit, and according to the train of thought there, as far as theory goes, you display it by hitting, plucking, blowing... etc etc... the act of performing with an instrument. richard d seems to be able to quite good things theory wise, but could easily be attributed to how long hes been at it... and the jazzy squarepusher of feed me wierd things comes quite close... but then again, no proof that he fully knows his stuff... its not stuff you need to know when you make idm anyway... otherwise it wouldnt seem like idm .. |
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and for the record, rdj's piano tracks on DrukQs are composed nicely, and sound very nice, but its quiet audible that he is a beginner / mid as far as performance goes. |
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maybe if you listen to drukqs... but the melodies on come 2 daddy and RDJ album are so excellent imo. AUTEchre has melodies that evolve, like tilapia. |
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but hes not performing the piano pieces.. thay are all programed/sequenced. |
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i think the best electronica artists for melodys are.... brothomstates plaid chris clark bola |
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oh yeah tilapia is incredible... but composing a melody thats in key really isnt that hard. all it requires is a creative mind/talented ear... im just referring to the fact that if Plaid were given a saxophone and a trumpet, they'd be no better than any of us. (i have no idea if plaid can play proper instruments, so dont crucify me if they happen to be trumpeters and saxophonists.) |
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really? sorry.. was under the impression that he was playing it... that would explain why he plays very mechanical :) |
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what does "in key" mean? only use the white keys? I guess the answer is something complex I won't understand like usual... something like: in key means any keys that form a 3rd and fifth scale on a pentatonic scale but do not oppose the third octave when resonating with eachother in phase. If they are out of phase then it can only be in key if you poor ink on it, thus making it inky. |
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=] nono... there are a huge amount of keys... you know somethings in key if it sounds good basically... this is black and white keys... you know your not in key if theres an off note and it sounds shit... there is a theory behind it all, but it really boils down to 'nice combination of notes' / 'shit combination of notes' |
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Melody becomes boring very quickly. i agree with what rockenjohnny was aying about suggested melody, like Parhelic Triangle. Which is to put two opposing sounds together and create a third from nowhere, Ae do it alot now. |
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thanks for taking this topic seriously teapot.. i agree with everything you said except for the bits about plaid and idm not being idm if it integrated traditional music theory.. i think a lot of idm artists know how to use conventional musical wisdom and it helps them a lot. like you, i can't tell if tom j. knows what he's doing, and i'm pretty sure RDJ's piano pieces aren't too developed musically, but then again they're not his more recent "advanced" tracks he's hinted at releasing some day. Komakino: melody becomes boring!??! |
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"Komakino: melody becomes boring!??!" Yeah, same goes for threads the this. |
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thats exactly what i mean :) |
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