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spoonz
from Edmonton, AB (Canada) on 2003-02-28 11:20 [#00574562]
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sorry if ther's already been a post about it, i just received a muzik-news mail with this in it:
MUSICIANS UNITE TO STOP THE WAR AGINST IRAQ
Rappers, musicians, singers and songwriters recently joined forces to speak out against the US led war against Iraq. The advert, which ran with the headline 'War On Iraq Is Wrong And We Know It', was printed in Wednesday’s edition of the New York Times. The campaign is backed by over 50 music stars, from all genres, including Jay-Z, Missy Elliott, George Clinton, Lou Reed, Nas, Autechre, Blu Cantrell, and Sheryl Crow. The advert focused on the US government, with the message:
'Don’t let Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld drown out the voices of reason'.
It also referred to ‘disarming Iraq with tough inspections’. The page ad was made by Musicians United To Win Without War - an organisation founded by former Talking Heads frontman David Byrne and rap guru Russell Simmons.
On the organisation’s official website they describe themselves as
"A loose coalition of contemporary musicians who feel that in the rush to go to war by the Bush administration, the voices of reason and debate have been trampled and ignored. We feel that war is not inevitable, though to be honest the US media and government have made us feel that it has become a forgone conclusion".
To find out more about this organisation visit their official website at: http://www.moveon.org/musician" united
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-02-28 11:23 [#00574570]
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good.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2003-02-28 11:24 [#00574572]
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linky: http://www.moveon.org/musiciansunited/
yay for ae! weird seeing them amongst pop names like that, though.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-02-28 11:24 [#00574573]
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Man, that's crazy... Autechre mentioned in the same breath as Jay-Z, Missy Elliot, Sheryl Crow...
if dey git mainstreem I gonna just dangblasted stop lissenin tuh them, dangnabbit!!1
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Co-existence
from Bergen (Norway) on 2003-02-28 11:25 [#00574574]
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Brilliant!
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-02-28 11:27 [#00574577]
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they cant get mainstream with their music. not with draft.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-02-28 11:33 [#00574584]
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smells of jumping on bandwagon free publicity bullshit. i mean theyre musicians so they konw better than us don't they?
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nacmat
on 2003-02-28 11:53 [#00574600]
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btw
the poll shows the clear thoughts of this community
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nacmat
on 2003-02-28 11:54 [#00574601]
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almost 200 people voted... one of the most visited polls...
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uzim
on 2003-02-28 12:00 [#00574615]
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gut!
choke on another pretzel, W...
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-28 12:05 [#00574626]
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oh, c'mon! i can't even believe you're worrying about such a far our possibility.
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nacmat
on 2003-02-28 12:06 [#00574627]
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please jupitah... get an avatar... please please!!
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-28 12:07 [#00574628]
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i don't think they claim that. it's just a group of people who get exposure expressing theit oppinions, as well as representing others of the same opinion.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-28 12:07 [#00574630]
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i can't. i've tried. i give up. tis sad.
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skyfarmer
from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-02-28 12:10 [#00574635]
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you're such a lovely turtle! damn why do I always want to kiss you?
haha that was a great offtopic
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nacmat
on 2003-02-28 12:11 [#00574639]
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do what meho did.... just rape some newbie´s
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loaderror
from kansas city (United States) on 2003-02-28 12:46 [#00574669]
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i have infinite respect for ae at this point, good call
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skyfarmer
from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-02-28 12:49 [#00574672]
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href="http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/whatsnew/images-jup.html" JUPITAH!
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skyfarmer
from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-02-28 12:50 [#00574676]
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oh motherfuck
JUPITAH
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-28 12:52 [#00574683]
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Fuck that.
That damn right pisses me off.
I know some people who would go as far to say "I don't agree with them, so I'm not going to listen to their music anymore."
Well I'm not like that, but it does piss me off.
Yes, all you music makers sit back and enjoy the drug enduced visuals and harmony. The world is perfect. All is peaceful.
I'm sorry, but there are times when you have to fight.
Some people out there - all they do is bitch.
Hell, they hear 'war' and they start bitching up a storm.
Did you see that article in the washington times today about the National Gaurds' kids, whom are being HARASSED by teachers in school. The teachers are anti-war, and are taking it out on the kids of Marines.
Fuck, that.
These people love bitching. It's like that's all they do. They always have to complain or bitch about something.
Good. I'm glad I can live a life where finding something wrong in every little thing isn't mainstream. I do hate a lot of people in my country, but for many different reasons that other people of the world.
I'm all for this war. I'm sick of seeing us help everyone out, including the people we are fighting. No one realizes how much fucking shit we put up with to keep this world stable.
This puts Autechre in a bad spot in my eyes.
But hey, I listen to them for their music, not for their philosphical beliefs and opinions on the war. I love it, popular people or celebrities get together and protest the war.
IS THIS SUPPOSED TO MAKE ME FEEL SOMETHING? Because I don't feel shit. I feel the same as when I see protestors on the street.
Just because they are popular, doesn't make their opinion on a topic any greater than an ordinary person. Why do they get so much publicity for protesting? Huh?
Awww, Autechre doesn't want me to go to war. I better roll up a joint and listen to some of their tunes so I know how to become a tree huggin' hippy and learn the real truth. THERE IS NO POINT TO WAR.
Riiight. We a
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-28 13:16 [#00574712]
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-are a country who goes over the top to try and maintain world peace. No other country does as much as we do to help others. No one out there really gives a shit. We give so much money and food to other countries, and then they spit back at us right in the face.
What do _you_ think. Stop looking 10days into the future and look at the big picture. Do you think that the war today is worth fighting for, if it helps prevent a major chemical or biological attack in the future?
Is the small amount that we give today worth saving the large amount we can lose in the future?
Oh whatever.
I love this country, and give thanks to those who have fought before me to give me what I have today.
The ability to do what I want. The ability to really _live_ my life.
Too many people in this country take it for granted, and oh how I would love to take it away from them. Just for 10seconds. 10 seconds would be enough to make them realize what they have, and what they "shrug off."
Nah, fuck that. Autechre is anti-war. I like their music and think they are very good at what they do. Sure as fuck doesn't mean I'm going to let their opinion affect me at all. I'm sorry, but a lot of you people are influenced too easily by people/muscicians/celebrities/whatever. Follow your eyes and ears that you were born with, not this roundabout circular logic that has you trolling in circles.
What will it take. Another 9-11-like attack? A biological attack? A chemical attack? A Nuclear attack? When is it OK for us to go to war?
Oh, and for you "know-it-alls," do you really think you know everything about this story? Yes, the .gov is going to release all the details so the public knows the whole picture. Hah, right.
I trust my .gov to make the right decisions. I helped vote them in, and I am allowing them a chance to do their job.
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skyfarmer
from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-02-28 13:20 [#00574717]
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uk 005 drukqs shut up i'm not reading all this
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-28 13:25 [#00574721]
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If my country calls me to fight for her, I sure as hell won't have any second guesses. I'll sign up and do my duties. I owe my life to this country.
There is no other place i'd rather be living and under than the U.S.
Too many people sitting back, bitching, and not doing anything about it. Protest by day, and revert to evildoers by night. 2-faced people who "think" they know what's good for the country.
Want to know the real root of all war?
Religion
Let's get rid of religion. After all, wars have been fought from the beginning of time by difference of opinion. People read too far into their religion.
Religion is something that is for the human being to adapt to, to help them get through their life on the things that plague them for things we cannot understand. Maybe Religion is the root of all evil. Maybe the true God doesn't want religion, and doesn't want to be worshipped. Maybe it is the devil who created religion and the thought of God for the people to follow. Government laws and rules are derived from those peoples' religious beliefs. Therefore, religion has been a factor in every-single-war-this-world-has-been-through.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-28 13:26 [#00574723]
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It's not UK 005 drukqs.
It's d r U K q s 0005/1000 copies.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-28 13:30 [#00574731]
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namcat.
who cares about polls.
i love seeing CNN Polls where they haev viewers vote on things - things that 1) they only have 2 days education on (from watching CNN) and 2) are in no position to make an educated guess.
[Poll]
Who thinks polls are stupid?
[ ] Stupid [ ] Not-Stupid
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uzim
on 2003-02-28 13:35 [#00574736]
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Yes, all you music makers sit back and enjoy the drug enduced visuals and harmony. The world is perfect. All is peaceful.
> who said this? ok, we endure nothing compared to other people... but do you really think bombarding people will make it better?
Hell, they hear 'war' and they start bitching up a storm.
> you don't realize what war is, do you? well, neither do anyone of us until we subished it, i guess. but you can at least try to imagine.
have you heard the news? they would be ok to destroy their missiles. but usa still want to make war to them. all they want is their oil or what...
plus, this parallel they do with al-qaeda is just bullshit - if it existed, they would have told the world what it is, instead of just saying "it exists"!!
it's just so easy.
These people love bitching. It's like that's all they do. They always have to complain or bitch about something.
> right, but weren't you bitching too with this post? :)
No other country does as much as we do to help others.
> and no other country does so much either to monopolize, to spread their mcdonalds coca-cola etc. "culture" everywhere... ' _ '
What will it take. Another 9-11-like attack? A biological attack? A chemical attack? A Nuclear attack? When is it OK for us to go to war?
> come on, was 911 attack that bad... 3000-like people died, is it that terrible? (i don't know how many people they killed after that for their counterattacks...) it is more for the symbolic value, you thought you were invincible and this attack, proving you the contrary, drove you mad... ' _ '
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uzim
on 2003-02-28 13:36 [#00574740]
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though i'm totally with you for the religion point.
religion seems to make a lot more harm than good.
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skyfarmer
from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-02-28 13:37 [#00574742]
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polls sounds like parrots name
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-28 13:39 [#00574744]
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elusive, I agree with you. Quite a few people are starting to see War is one of the only options left (and I hate the whining people here in the Uk, saying ridiculous things like, "Tony Bliar is only going to War coz he sucks Bush's cock", and things to this effect)
Also, they're just musicians...Bar Moby (who, although i hate his music, believe to be very intelligent) these people are actually pretty unaware.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-02-28 13:41 [#00574745]
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i think if you can't get your point across in 2 paragraphs or less i wouldnt bother at all because no-one will read it. i didn't.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-02-28 13:46 [#00574751]
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don't blame me, i'm from the mtv generation, i only have 2 second conditioning
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-28 13:58 [#00574767]
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yeah you do.
dont' read novels very often eh?
only watch the movies and never read the books, heh. oh well, all in the eye of the beholder.
uzim, thanks for the debate in peaceful terms.
yes it's bitching (i was waiting for someone to post that :p ) but at least I have many reasons to support it, instead of "WAR BAD, FAST FOOD & COFFEE GOOD" heh.
"i think if you can't get your point across in 2 paragraphs
or less i wouldnt bother at all because no-one will read it.
i didn't. "
oh well, usually it's only the people who _actually_ care that read those.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-02-28 14:01 [#00574771]
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yeah i agrree, lets close ourr eyes and hope the weapons of mass destrruction go away.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-02-28 14:03 [#00574774]
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im sure you'll feel more comfortable judjing me the way you do. but really you have no- idea who i am at all.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-02-28 14:05 [#00574778]
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o i voiced an opinion opposite to the pop starrs i'm a warrmongerr :|
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-02-28 14:06 [#00574780]
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What we need is an Atom Gun to knock some sense into violent people.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-02-28 14:10 [#00574784]
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"What will it take. Another 9-11-like attack? A biological attack? A chemical attack? A Nuclear attack? When is it OK for us to go to war?"
To end one. The descriptions you gave do not apply to Iraq.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-28 14:17 [#00574792]
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How do you know, Laserbeak?
And fuck laserbeak, Soundwave ruled the 'Cepticons :D :D :D
"I don't know what kind of weapons WW3 will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-28 14:18 [#00574797]
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"don't blame me, i'm from the mtv generation, i only have 2
second conditioning "
and then
"im sure you'll feel more comfortable judjing me the way you
do. but really you have no- idea who i am at all. "
:p
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-02-28 14:19 [#00574799]
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"...World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein "
That guy knew what he was talking about.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-02-28 14:23 [#00574805]
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yeah he shagged marilyn monroe. i'm sure he was sober.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-02-28 14:27 [#00574811]
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"How do you know, Laserbeak?"
- Saddams missiles can't fly far enough - Saddam didn't use weapons of mass destruction even during the first gulf war because he knew what the consequences were.
- I've seen no proof of Saddam giving weapons of massdestruction to terrorists that threaten the US.
- He's under close surveillance of the weaponsinspectors
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-02-28 14:33 [#00574818]
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but would you not rratherr he was gone, if only to stop the perrsecution of his own people.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-28 14:34 [#00574819]
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LASERBEAK RETURNS, MEGATRON.
Soundwave is the biggest pimp that's ever walked this ear...
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-28 14:38 [#00574823]
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""If my country calls me to fight for her, I sure as hell won't have any second guesses. I'll sign up and do my duties. I owe my life to this country.""
scary that, why do you owe your life to that country elusive?
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-02-28 14:41 [#00574824]
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Yes Elusive with you 100%.
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xian_ecci
from los angeles on 2003-02-28 14:43 [#00574825]
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'What we need is an Atom Gun to knock some sense into violent
people.'
'if negativity comes with a .33, positivity comes with a .45' - krs-one
never could make up my mind on that one.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-02-28 14:43 [#00574827]
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Elusive the others just live their lives in fear - that is not how to live one's life -that is a prescription for disaster.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-28 14:44 [#00574829]
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'chang only comes from the barrel of a gun'
mmmm
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-02-28 14:44 [#00574830]
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No, I wouldn't mind if he was dead. But if we just went to war with any country with dodgy politics(china, russia, Israel, etc, etc...) the world would be total chaos.
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