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So I switched to mac about a year and a half ago and I've been using vmware to run FL studio which I've been using over 10 years to make music. vmware works great, though performance wise it's not that good on my macbook pro. also arranging the sample files and installing plugins etc,.. isn't very efficient either since you're dealing with 2 directories. The thing that bothered me with FL the most was that for heavy audio editing the workflow is very annoying. If you want to stretch sampled loops or just stretch a part you always have to record in edison. and when you change your mind halfway the track you have to fire edison again and in the end you end up with 5 variations of the same sample. ableton's warping is quite a breath of fresh air on that part. though nothing can beat the piano roll of FL. Ableton's piano roll is so bulky and annoying. but I'll get used to that eventually. another thing I'll miss is some of the native FL plugins. Love Philter is my favorite one. I use it as a multiband distortion plugin on all kinds of stuff. you can really make crazy things with it. I'd buy the immediately if they also worked for mac. Fabfilter Volcano and Fabfilter Saturn could replace that. been playing with the demo now in ableton and so far the results are good. They are a tiny bit expensive though. Absynth 5, Oddity, impOscar, Fabfilter One are all crossplatform so no problem there. added bonus is that if I ever want to do a "live" I don't have to export all the loops from FL to import in ableton. All in all I have no regrets as of yet. I'll miss some stuff but I'll also gain some new things. anyone with similar experiences? discuss |
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ableton is not very good for heavy audio editing either. cubase, logic, pro tools.... but you do always seem to come back to ableton for warp. it's probably best use with rewire, recording to logic or something. |
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I like FL Studio because I like notes and chords and stuff and it probably has the most painless piano roll thing I've every tried (might have something to do with me having used it for the past 10 years or so). The only problem I had is it gets very messy if you're trying to use more than 16 beats per mesure, which is a pretty dumb limitation (I run across it when I tried to transcribe which is in 25/8 or something silly like that). So if anyone knows a program that's exactly like FL Studio's piano roll with better options for exotic time signatures or time signature changes within a song please tell me about it. Thank you for reading my post. |
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i think we're pretty much all in the same boat. we like bits of about four different DAWs and nothing solves it 100%. |
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for example: i really like doing drums in renoise, but fuck doing anything else with it. |
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Did you email the company to tell them it won't work as a toaster? lol epicmegadaft : ) |
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I've been deep in ableton for 7 years or so. The immediacy of being able to play with the sound keeps me with it. Also racks. Racks within racks within racks. Macros are super fun for recording crazy automatons. |
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Also, all the fab filter plugs are top notch. Hit me up if you need a *cough* demo *cough* |
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Been using FL for 13+ years. Even bought the producer-edition at some point + a whole lot of their plugins as VST. I miss the forward(ness) of FL, but I hate that they are taking away the blocks. A lot of stuff in Ableton9 looks like FL, and a lot of stuff in the new FL betas looks like Ableton. But the last couple of years I've been working with Ableton for almost everything, and I must say that I'll stay with Ableton now. Even for multitracking, although as EpicMegatrux mentioned, it's not good for heavy audio-editing. For instance; recording 12 tracks of drums, and then dubbing with 12 new tracks, can make most computers work overtime. This is because Ableton (8) virtually plays every track, although it's muted (so the tracks you've muted actually take up resources). Something I hope they have re-done in 9. |
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I've recently started using ableton dead. You open the app, and it just plays a sinewave. JUST THE SOFTWARE I NEED!!!!! |
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For sequencing drums and chopped rhythmic shit, if you miss FL try the Geist plugin. It has 95% of what's great about FL Studio. It's fun to sequence in and you can also do odd time stuff in it easy. Great built-in effects. And, it has Ableton-like live scene triggering. The one FL thing I still miss is the scratcher. |
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shit son i'm just casually goofing around xltronic and suddenly you post the best think i have ever heard in years. that track loops for 3 hours now and i'm still wet. |
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you should check out this guy named mike oldfart |
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it's great isn't it |
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my whole post was just an elaborate excuse to post that song |
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no offense taken. that song absolutely rocks. and that 25/8 thing is absolutely mindboggling. |
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it's a great track indeed. |
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I'll check out that geist plugin. looks interesting. being able to quickly slice a loop is definitely something I can use in ableton. |
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Slice - to - midi is built into ableton! Just right click on a warped audio clip and select it from the context menu. |
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okay, i have actually read the rest of the topic :P i actually still use both. when doing tracks with heavy audio editing / slicing / beat mangling i use floops. also, the lack of non-linear envelopes in live (well, at least before live 9) was a hindrance very often. but yeah, i got pretty tired of bouncing everything from floops into live for gigs, so i that's a definitive plus. i don't understand your problem with stretching in floops though. since version 8 (or before?) you can just slice a part out of a loop, right click it and use "make uniqe", and you have a seperate sample that you can stretch, slice whatever. in live for slicing loops, try some other thing. when you right click a loop there is an option "slice to midi". you can choose the division and a few presets with added effects etc. i use it on everything really. check it out. |
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hahaha, FIRST |
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posting to agree that goblin = crazy awesome but this thread is pretty opaque to me. never used anything but pure wave editing to make musics. feels like doing stuff with rubber gauntlets on unless i'm down and dirty in the .wav |
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you program a machine to spit out a pattern, saving yourself lots of work. then you program another machine to pattern that pattern according to knobs. after that, i sort of lose track.... but that's the gist of it. |
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but wot if u dont like patterns lol |
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i dunno, move to florida and get addicted to pills |
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Holy shit. Yes, ok- this track is the true purpose of xlt+ableding-raib+pimples |
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sounds like squarepusher theme |
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it also features audio warping although in a less intuitive way then ableton. hmmm what to do...what to do.... |
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I'm not sure I get why those big grids of triggers are a thing now. They're like really inconvenient unreadable keyboards? |
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