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offline Chodi from 1337V1773 on 2012-11-05 03:51 [#02444061]
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I'm interested in learning how to analyze music (Preferably
electronic music) to understand how it was
produced/mastered.
Anyone have their own techniques they'd like to share?

The mastering in AFX - PWSteal.Ldpinch's drums are
interesting.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-05 05:30 [#02444065]
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i'd recommend getting familiar with the general principles
(books, wiki, a class, whatever) and then just follow your
ears.

in general, it's a bad sign if you have to ask this sort of
question. HOW DO I ANALYZE MUSIC? CAN YOU TEACH ME TO USE
SYNTHESIZERS. you clod, it's not some magic password. no one
told me how this shit works. i just sat there fucking it
with while everyone was out chasing skirt and eventually i
started to kind of get a clue, though not at all laid. the
people that want a step-by-step guide are pretty much there
to buy steve albini's books and blog posts, and use them to
get laid. maybe if you take a lot of dissociative
anesthetics you'll cut a good EP and burn out in six months
(you can get laid off that for years probably), but there's
not much a long-term career in there im afraid


 

offline melack from barcielwave on 2012-11-05 07:39 [#02444066]
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LAZY_pwsteal_analiz


 

offline Chodi from 1337V1773 on 2012-11-05 07:40 [#02444067]
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Well, I am just boggled with professional grade mastering. I
understand that it takes a certain amount of skill behind an
actual track, that sounds, "good". I know how to develop
sounds very well. AFX - PWSteal.Ldpinch is quite simple
when it comes down to the actual synths in it. I am not
saying I can exactly replicate it, but I can directly hear
what shapes were used and type of effects on top of it.

When it comes to raw samples (drums) there is a large
difference between mastered and not mastered.
I think I am being a little to loose on what I am trying to
ask.

it's like asking somebody "How do I fuck your mother?"
and you reply with "with your dick, bro"

I appreciate the criticism, I really do. I feel like too
many people have aspirations in BECUMZING A PREWDOOCER.
And with the way things are going, many people are giving it
a shot because of DEADMAU5, SKRIllEX,AFX...etc.

It's all new and exciting.


 

offline Chodi from 1337V1773 on 2012-11-05 07:44 [#02444068]
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Fuck you die..


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-05 08:10 [#02444071]
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no, fuck you. there's no way around it but saying, "hey,
that's cool, how did he do that?" and then a) picking it
apart b) reconstructing it yourself c) learning to use it
appropriately


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-05 08:12 [#02444072]
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oh you meant fuck off chemical brothers. that's too bad;
they're quite brilliant


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-05 08:16 [#02444073]
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i have to say, the youtube reviews of this track are even
more moving than the track itself:

"my youg time"
--scorpion0984 3 weeks ago

"Joyce in a box"
--carteliser 1 month ago

"fuck oofffff man, what the. I done that 5-meo-dmt stuff for
the first time, came looking for this tune. It is
aint it. Fuck me. tops."
-- Raven Kuchiki in reply to killyou3456 (Show the comment)
2 months ago


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-05 08:31 [#02444074]
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i wonder if raven kuchiki knows jivverdicker


 

offline Chodi from 1337V1773 on 2012-11-05 09:02 [#02444081]
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Oh don't worry about the misinterpretation. I like the
Chemical Brothers, but I just don't like pointless ego
lash-outs.

Chemical Brothers - Salmon Dance, is quite catchy.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-05 09:09 [#02444082]
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if i recall correctly, that drum beat is just a linn lm-1
default pattern or some shit. could be wrong tho


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-05 09:14 [#02444083]
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who needs mastering when you have this thing anyways


 

offline Chodi from 1337V1773 on 2012-11-05 09:18 [#02444084]
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Dang, I like those samples then. I'd make some disco with
it.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-05 09:29 [#02444085]
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i'm guessing you just read the comment that said "However
you'll never get the sound you want because when you tune
the lm-1, there is a pitch control. A variable sample rate,
zero order hold DAC) and it isn't the same as in a VST, DAW
or sampler (fixed sample rate with some form of
interpolation). And It uses analog envelopes on the
compressed samples, so the decay time isn't scaled along
with the pitch. That is why samples suck for lm 1 sounds."


 

offline jnasato from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2012-11-05 10:21 [#02444087]
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Basically- to have the best musical/mixing/mastering ears-
you have to have a huge arsenal, and by that, I mean you
need huge experience with tons of
software/hardware/analog/digital/ live instruments, etc.
For example, there is no fucking way that a commoner could
walk into a museum full of paintings and be able to tell how
any of them were done, even the most simple. To be able to
analyze the shit out of them, a person would need mad
amounts of first-hand experience with basically every medium
and surface, as well as conceptual understanding and solid
grasp of composition, etc.

So, you just need experience in the things you want to
analyze.


 

offline anirog on 2012-11-05 10:44 [#02444092]
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I've read it's similar to learning one of the lost
languages.

One must study the teachings of ancient cults and faiths &
tap into the genetic memory of music itself.

Praise be to the beards.



 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-05 11:07 [#02444093]
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hey man,
stop being serious
im joking here


 

offline anirog on 2012-11-05 11:34 [#02444097]
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FYI jnasato the Dogon people of Mali have advanced
astronomical knowledge of this Sirius the bearded one talks
of - zuzuzi


 

offline Torture Garden from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2012-11-05 13:11 [#02444101]
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mastering just means run the track through an aphex aural
exciter type b and a expertly bias adjusted studer reel to
reel. i knows dis shit, i does dis shit, come to my haus an
i show you dis shit.


 

offline jnasato from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2012-11-05 14:45 [#02444103]
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Nice flow, yo, ju gotta put some beatboxing over that post.

XLT- where beatboxing meets text.


 

offline Chodi from 1337V1773 on 2012-11-06 03:20 [#02444127]
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Torture Garden's rapping skills + jnasato's
infinite creativity =profit.

Qemist's Masterclasses
An example


I need to get my ass off of FL Studio.. FLS has a good work
flow to it, but I would like better Plugins/effects others
offer. Can anyone direct me in a decent frequency analyzer
like in the video above (Second screen, bottom left. It's
not powered on for a minute)

(using TAL Plugins at the moment)


 

offline Chodi from 1337V1773 on 2012-11-06 03:24 [#02444128]
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Please don't emphasize the dubstep in my post. I think it's
the most pathetic genre anymore.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2012-11-06 03:25 [#02444129]
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you could try ableton live; it has a frequency analyzer.
audacity or such also does a spectrogram, i think.


 

offline Chodi from 1337V1773 on 2012-11-06 05:59 [#02444132]
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I hope understanding music doesn't become a lost
language..fuck. Haha.


 

offline Torture Garden from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2012-11-06 12:25 [#02444136]
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i've tried a few analysers Voxengo SPAN is good for free.


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-11-06 17:40 [#02444175]
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or you could just use ozone mastering suite.

hah!


 

offline detheel on 2013-10-15 00:33 [#02462792]
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or you could just use DUBturbo.

hah!


 


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