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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-04-06 17:34 [#00160325]
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I'm thinking about becoming a vegetarian, I just had a steak,and I had a close look at it before I baked it.....
It was horrible! It was uglyer than your worst nightmare! it was.....a dead animal
So,what are the pro's and contra's of being a vegetarian?
I already know one contra:I'm gonna miss the taste...
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-06 18:28 [#00160368]
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pro's, you'll lose weight,
con's you'll lose a lot of energy, meat provides a lot of it.
con, you will bruise easier when struck. con, you will need to get all your vitamins strictly through fruits and vegetables, which is kind of hard.
con, taste.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:30 [#00160371]
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don't shaolin kungfu monks eat just rice? :O
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:33 [#00160375]
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Vegetarians are weird!!!! ;)
Well, you can still eat at Burger King. We provide a Vegetarian Burger to you, our charished customer!!!!
*The_Funkmaster is handed another big bag of money!!!*
:)
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-04-06 18:36 [#00160378]
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I'm vegetarian Pros: you consume less fat so it's better for your heart, you can protest against cruelty to animals this way
Cons: you have to adapt for a while, you have to deal with assholes trying to make fun of you.
If you eat eggs and milk you will not need special pills to compensate your food.
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-06 19:26 [#00160408]
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they eat more than just rice, they get all their vitamins and such through their diet. monks are really healthy.
i wish i could be one.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-04-06 19:36 [#00160416]
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I am a vegitarian, its great.
you will feel really healthy when you´ve done it for a while, well at least i did!
taste is a pro for me.. pasta and rice with the right vegetables is delecius, if you prepare it right. seriusly. youll grow sick of meat, after a while.
and laserbeak is right, if you still have eggs and milk, even fish! youll have no trouble with keeping yourself alive.
do it!
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2002-04-06 19:45 [#00160427]
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im vegetarian and its great. the only thing bad about it are the ignorant people who think there's only one way to live life. they piss me off but i ignore them. i say go for it, it'll be the best descision you ever make. just make sure you have the right resources for food, and you'll be fine. just watch out for too many carbs. they can get you fat!
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-06 20:10 [#00160447]
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i've got a mate whos vegan and he eats fuckall, lives on soya milk and tofu, madman, i love food too mouch to deny meself all them tastes, use your senses to the most i reckon
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 20:14 [#00160450]
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i could never forsake crispy bacon
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-04-06 20:16 [#00160454]
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Methane gas from overproducing cows and sheep are destroying our planet!
(no joke)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 20:19 [#00160460]
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ummm, cigarette smoke...CFCs....exhaust fumes....these are just a few of my favourite things...
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-04-06 20:25 [#00160467]
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Lions eat poor little animals, bears would eat us little people, given the chance... I say, slaughter them and enjoy how good they taste before they enjoy how good YOU taste.
Also, pigs and chickens and the things we eat WOULD eat us if they could. So turn them into a nice snack before they figure out how to hurt us.
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-06 20:26 [#00160468]
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I'd be a vegetarian if i could actually cook. Most of the food i make comes out of the freezer and has meat in it. I'd love to get veggie, but the only non meat dish i can make is omlette, but it is a very tasty omlette :)
And yes, methane is the most efficient green house gas.
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phew var
from Roma (Italy) on 2002-04-07 03:51 [#00160717]
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i'm vegan straight edge.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-04-07 03:57 [#00160722]
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meat rules the planet with cowpork power! bow to meat...uh....
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liquadcrystal
from johnson (United States) on 2002-04-07 06:06 [#00160805]
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nooo!! dont become a vegitarian meat is power i luv it good tasten dont turn aganist it meat luvs u and say eat me
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-04-07 08:01 [#00160916]
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I don't like the fact that the meat I eat comes form animals raised and held captive strictly for food. If I lived my ideal life I would only eat meat from hunted animals that lived in the wild.
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-07 08:08 [#00160922]
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like vampires?
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-04-07 08:12 [#00160923]
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Exactly like vampires.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-04-07 08:20 [#00160929]
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where's my tofu
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-07 08:22 [#00160932]
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one of my favorite songs with lyrics is tchony's "outie" www.mp3.com/tchony I went and got his album signed by him and he spit a couple verses at me about his views on vegetarianism, he rocks.
they call me Tchaaaany I like to eat banaaaaany and I will ride your bologne pony walk down the street, beat my meat, eat some beats... for lunch, I like vegetables... I'm not a vegetarian, because they make me... want to laugh at them *intickity* tchaaany
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-04-07 14:04 [#00161057]
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thank you all for all the good and bad advices, I never could have thought of them myself..
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-04-07 15:19 [#00161082]
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i am ½vegatarian. i really like eating meat. but i dont like the way they treat animals before killing them. and i think that if europeans and americans didnt eat so much meat ( its expensice producing meat ) the other side of the would not have to starve to death. its sad but true
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-04-07 15:34 [#00161085]
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probably I'll do something like that too, I really can't decide what I want... I need some time for that......
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joey
from montréal (Canada) on 2002-04-07 17:27 [#00161114]
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Check out this thread.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-04-07 19:27 [#00161235]
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Yeah, some adapting time wouldnt be a bad idea.
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uzim
on 2002-04-07 23:40 [#00161483]
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i'm vegetarian... except for prawns
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uzim
on 2002-04-07 23:46 [#00161488]
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since i was a kid in fact... i chose to become a vegetarian because of a cute stuffed pig i had... i thought it was too cruel to eat animals like that ;)
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-04-08 00:08 [#00161512]
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My ex-step-cousin got some serious food poisoning from KFC (notice how they are not Kentucky Fried Chicken anymore). Doctors thought she would die for sure, very serious, but she pulled through. I'm really grossed out now thinking about rotten meat and such.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-09 18:46 [#00733773]
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I'm a rawfoodist... so I obviously don't eat meat. I don't want to call myself a vegan yet, because I haven't been vegan for that much time yet... but I really don't like meat anymore.
A lot of people who eat meat know very little of what the things you eat do to your body... Which is real important information--in the future people will look at the "standard" diet of today as really weird... Well, that is if we ever can make peope understand the world better...
I love waking up clear and clean in the morning, which is one of the pro's of being a rawfoodist...
Straight edge rules to... though I still do alcohol... but I really agree with that it's a healthy lifestyle, so I'll get there some day... peace and stay veg.
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-06-09 19:51 [#00733829]
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im a vegetarian \ almost vegan except i eat cheese and drink milk but no leather and any of that other stuff. i cant stand people who make fun of me for being vegetarian and ask me why i am. i was having a fucking veggie burger and one kid said it was the nastiest thing he's ever seen meanwhile he was eating a fucking hamburger....
im also straight edge but thats for another discussion....although i could care less if you smoke\drink or whatever as long as it doesnt affect me.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-06-09 19:55 [#00733837]
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when i became vegan i lived on froot loops and soy milk. until i made up a healthy vegan diet to make sure i get enough protein and vitamins.
im not weak or unhealthy or lacking anything.
and just cause your vegan dont mean you'll loose weight. there's plenty of fattening vegan foods out there as well...
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-09 20:15 [#00733852]
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i think one of the few vitamins lacking from the list that are essential when you are a vegetarian is b12, which usually comes from meat. but you can always drink soy milk or something, because they load it up with b12
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soze
from Kingston (Jamaica) on 2003-06-09 21:16 [#00733914]
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Being veggie is not that hard, it takes a couple of months to get used to but after that it's pretty easy. I don't think I would go back to eating meat now, or fish. And I do enjoy not having the blood of animals on my conscience morning noon and night. Once you are no longer attached to meat cuz you stop eating it and you look back at it, at least I, found it pretty disgusting. Especially the way corporate meat (which is most of what you eat) is treated and prepared, ie shot with hormones and chemicals, living it's whole life in a tiny box and then being taken out and killed. Reminds me of the holocaust.
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mimi
on 2003-06-09 23:33 [#00733962]
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i don't eat meat, but really it is no political thing. more a texture thing..i don't put bloody slabs of hell in my mouth. i don't really shout around that i am a vegetarian because of this...for me, it would be the same thing as running about saying i dont like mushrooms. also, if anyone has read the jungle....meat gets a pretty bad rep.
i wear shoes with leather and i love a grilled cheese sandwich with fried onions...and i especially don't feel guilty over the grilled cheese! although, last week i got some bad cheese on my sub at subway and i don't know if i can eat it ever again!
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-09 23:40 [#00733964]
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Somebody give me a good reason for begin a VEGAN
Not vegetarian, I understand the concept and am quite happy with the possibilities.
However I have NEVER EVER heard a good reason for being a vegan. Period.
... except someone who has severe plant phobias and finds a need to personally eradicate them from the face of the earth... and I'm guessing that's a small minority
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Morgoth
from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-06-09 23:41 [#00733966]
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I'm a vegetarian for loads of reasons. First: there's the ethical part, not wanting to eat animals. I mean: one animal is a dog and we give it a name, and the other we just kill. Also the fact that an animal has to eat a lot of vegetables to produce the same amount of meat. It's a waste of food.
Second: there's some health reasons. In the long run, there are several benefits to living healthy, and one way to do so is a well balanced vegetarian diet.
Third: there's environmental reasons. The animals produce a lot of faeces, ... Also, transport and all that, and cleaning slaughterhouses are all bad for the environment and a loss of water (I know that vegetables are transported and all that, but as catle gets some of them as wel, there's a lot more transport and so on involvled).
I could go on, which I won't. There's enough sites on the web where you can find info.
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Morgoth
from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-06-09 23:43 [#00733968]
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www.vegansociety.com www.veganoutreach.com
mostly: cheese is made with enzymes from a calf's stomach. YUK.
It's also very unnatural to eat milk that's biologically meant for a growing cow, not an adult human.
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-09 23:50 [#00733976]
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but then again, what is really 'natural' these days? :) can you really distinguish from the unnatural?
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Morgoth
from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-06-10 00:03 [#00733987]
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Nope, you got a point there. But trying to make your food a little more natural is something else than trying to make anything you do more natural.
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mimi
on 2003-06-10 00:13 [#00733992]
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it will help you understand dave matthews
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-10 00:15 [#00733995]
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I will reiterate... VEGANS. Not vegetarians.
Your arguments are not sound however even so.
1) Waste of food is a good argument, any "animal feelings" arguments easily succumb to unanswerable ethical debates
2) There are several benefits to eating meat as well. There are also several very good reasons NOT to be vegetarians, proteins and metals that you don't get from produce, Etc.
3) "animals produce a lot of faeces"
WHAT?
Environmental issues? There are PLENTY of things we are doing to the environment that does a lot more than meat eating. And what about the processessing that goes on for vegan products?
Vegans, not vegetarians. The people who carry around a little bible telling them what they can and cannot eat. I don't understand this.
Yes you've hit a chord, I'm from Santa Cruz, I have this conversation ALL the time and nobody has given me a good answer
It's like a religion. It's a social atmosphere because the people who are vegan tend to have other beliefs that you are comfortable with. You adopt veganism because it is easy to accept and people you respect give you reasons you don't care to challenge very heavily.
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-10 00:21 [#00733997]
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I'll also say I would be vegetarian if certain things didn't apply:
One, they made vegetarian food that was:
a: affordable. b: tasty. c: gave me the vitamins/minerals I needed
This does not happen. Most, if not all vegan food is elitist, very expensive, and does not taste very good. Especially when they try and imitate meat. Does anyone else see this as BLATANTLY hypocritical?
In 10 years maybe, this will happen, as it stands now it would be a huge deal to change my lifestyle to accomodate these things. I like food, I like the taste, and I exercise to keep the pounds off and keep me feeling good.
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-06-10 01:08 [#00734013]
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i'm (nearly) vegan. at home i eat only veganic stuff, only ice cream sometimes.. when i go out to restaurant i allow me the cheese
it is a lie that veg food would not get you the sae stuff as meat. protein easily comes from soy, beans, lentils.. iron and other minerals from green vegs like broccoli and spinach.
the whole meat/dairy/egg production cycle is so TOTALLY fucked.
also i think it's interesting and important to know what WEIRDEST additives food nowadays has.. so that is why i am very keen on what i eat
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-10 01:32 [#00734018]
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you're a great girl. I love vegans. I agree it's bullshit you can't get all your vitamins from fruit / vegetables...
Being vegan is really healthy. Just look at all problems old people have today and ask yourself where they come from.
Many problems they have origin from their diet. I would have become a rawfoodist much sooner if I just knew the diet existed (the fact I didn't know clearly shows how fucked our society is).
We can't escape what is natural / unnatural to us, but culture covers that part up pretty well. Damn well actually. A lot of people will suffer when they get old for doing what society tells them to do.
I am really serious about the aging thing. Look at how many old people are suffering / in really bad health.
Getting bad health is NOT a natural part of the aging process, it's just a natural part of an unhealthy lifestyle...
A diet is not just something you put in your mouth to stay alive; it's something that builds the physical you aswell as the psychical.
I know this won't make you change your lifestyle to a more healthy one, but please consider it... Like Morgoth wrote, there are lots of good websites out there.
If all people open their eyes we will have a so much better world... A lot of things people think is a natural part of life is JUST a natural result of an unhealthy diet.
Are there really no people out there considering the rawfood vegan diet? I know you mentioned it Morgoth...
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mimi
on 2003-06-10 01:37 [#00734021]
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hopefully someday soon the whole world will join together holding hands, peace and unity will be achieved through the mouth!
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-10 01:42 [#00734025]
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yeah... more people need to realize we're not different from other animals - we cannot choose to eat anything and then expect to feel as good as when we eat our natural diet, (which I believe is a vegan rawfooddiet).
We're really fucking up the environment and I can't believe people do not see we'll all suffer from that.
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Sanguine
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-10 01:42 [#00734026]
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Let's clear something up
Being vegan does NOT mean you are eating healthy
Eating healthy can be done, vegan or not, and requires work be put into it one way or another.
Being healthy is a choice in itself. If you choose to be vegan, you still have to choose to make it healthy. This means certain supplements like B12 and getting the right kinds of legumes and calcium in your diet.
I'm not advocating nobody be vegan or that it doesn't have certain merits. I am asking you think about the "merits" of veganism and decide whether and why they only apply to being vegan or vegetarian.
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mimi
on 2003-06-10 01:44 [#00734027]
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what am i doing in this thread
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