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offline obara from Utrecht on 2008-02-04 14:47 [#02171748]
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so far i know the following members:

SIR NACMAT

SIR WOOFERATTACK

SIR OBARA

anyone else i forgot to mention ?


 

offline cuntychuck from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2008-02-04 14:49 [#02171749]
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this is a suckersclub, notice, they are all over 30.


 

offline Broken_Drum from United Kingdom on 2008-02-04 14:49 [#02171750]
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Moi!


 

offline SlipDrinkMats from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2008-02-04 14:51 [#02171752]
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So are Autechre, your point being? Why don't you go listen
to your own music, those hot shot under-17 upcoming
experimentalists from Denmark?

Cunt.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2008-02-04 15:05 [#02171754]
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i am waiting for the special limited edition version


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2008-02-04 15:06 [#02171756]
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yeah, but most of them feel a way much younger than you,
could you believe ??


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-04 15:08 [#02171758]
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i've ordered a bob and seamus special edition merkin that
i'll going to model online surrounded by deathshead moths. .
.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-02-04 15:11 [#02171761]
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Music fans may age but stupid is forever.


 

offline K300i from United Kingdom on 2008-02-04 15:48 [#02171779]
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i havent listened either, waiting for limited pack to come
to listen to it on my hi-fi ->>proper listen is where its
at, not some shitty quality mp3s.



 

offline Co-existence from Bergen (Norway) on 2008-02-04 16:04 [#02171792]
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My FLACs sound great!


 

offline K300i from United Kingdom on 2008-02-04 16:27 [#02171801]
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yes, FLAC format is the closest to the audio CD quality.
still, nothing beats designated stereo set. and as for the
ae, they deserve the patience.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2008-02-04 16:30 [#02171803]
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I've ordered the super limited deluxe laser etched square on
a metal case edition. I am looking forward to seeing how
much I can get on ebay for it.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2008-02-04 16:31 [#02171805]
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Will the 2-CD set still be available apart from a Limitied
Edition version?


 

offline K300i from United Kingdom on 2008-02-04 16:34 [#02171807]
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no, its not going to be re-pressed, although there are many
albums being re-issued lately, even first ryoji ikeda from
95 has been recently repressed,so maybe, in 10 years ? who
knows...


 

offline baph from Los Angeles on 2008-02-04 16:35 [#02171809]
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CD2 supposedly won't have a repressing.

I've ordered the limited edition, and I'm just dicking
around with some crappy mp3's at the moment.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2008-02-04 16:36 [#02171810]
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The second CD is only available as part of the limited
edition run? Suckula.


 

offline baph from Los Angeles on 2008-02-04 16:36 [#02171811]
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Or, yeah, what K300i said.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2008-02-04 16:40 [#02171814]
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If it's rubbish I will send you it free of charge.


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2008-02-04 16:43 [#02171816]
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Who cares about the stupid CD, music is not a piece of
plastic.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2008-02-04 16:45 [#02171821]
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haha, it's a deal ;]



 

offline K300i from United Kingdom on 2008-02-04 16:48 [#02171825]
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but the media (CD. 12") teaches you how to respect music,
unlike mp3's which you dont give a shit about because you
can instantly delete it or dl it again.



 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2008-02-04 16:52 [#02171829]
Points: 12462 Status: Regular | Followup to K300i: #02171825



Why should you respect music (what does it even mean,
really?), and, more importantly, why would you need a hard
copy to respect music? Seems a little silly and
materialistic.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2008-02-04 16:56 [#02171833]
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Is a print of a painting as good as the painting itself?
mp3 v CD.


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2008-02-04 16:59 [#02171836]
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Yes it is.


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2008-02-04 17:01 [#02171838]
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And since FLACs are available, is an exact copy of a
painting as good as the painting itself?

(Yes it is.)


 

offline epic chod on 2008-02-04 17:01 [#02171839]
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it can be better it depends on the compression method and
the source material


 

offline K300i from United Kingdom on 2008-02-04 17:04 [#02171841]
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well,to respect music means that you actually listen to it,
instead of downloading shitloads of crap you wont even know
about untill you do the disk cleanup again.

media demands special care, you need to move your ass, use
the object, instead of just sitting and clicking around.im
telling you, people just wont use cds that often because
mp3'sd are just easier to use.

now, that applies to cd's. and im not even talking about
vinyls, but then again, its just my opinion.its general
approach, im not saying you do that, but a lot of people do,
seeing what they write on this board.


 

offline K300i from United Kingdom on 2008-02-04 17:06 [#02171842]
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and FLACS are not the exact copy, neither they are of cd
audio quality, they're close but not the same.
but, you need to have really good stereo set to hear
that.most of people dont even have proper designated speaker
sets at their pc's, thus, even 192kb seems fine.



 

offline oyvinto on 2008-02-04 17:06 [#02171843]
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i got my special edition cd's yesterday. it's great


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2008-02-04 17:14 [#02171847]
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Music is just music. There's no right way to listen to it.
Music is not objectively better if it's more hi-def or if it
took you some effort to put it on. It's your way of
romanticising it.

The mature artist should know that he can't control how his
audience will take his work, and should actually be
interested in the different approaches and results. It's all
about reception, the artist doesn't matter.


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-04 17:23 [#02171852]
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I am waiting for the special edition.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2008-02-04 17:26 [#02171855]
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The Special Edition has three 'Making Of' Documentaries (The
Tears Behind the Beats, Presets: Are They Ever
Acceptable? and Aphex Twin: The Day The Music Died) with an
audio commentary (vocoded, of course).


 

offline melack from barcielwave on 2008-02-04 17:26 [#02171856]
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i didnt order the special edition,
:(
are you ashamed of me?
will phobia ban me?



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-02-04 17:43 [#02171866]
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There is no difference between flac and CD except that flacs
don't scratch. It's a lossless compression format.
Feel free to think otherwise. *shrug*


 

offline Neto from Ecatepec (Mexico) on 2008-02-04 19:29 [#02171922]
Points: 2461 Status: Lurker



I wasn't able to buy the limited edition but I'll await
until the standard edition arrives, I'm not listening to any
streams or mp3's/flacs


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2008-02-04 19:38 [#02171925]
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Up until this post I respected your opinion and probably
subconsciously feared your luminous internet persona.


 

offline cuntychuck from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2008-02-04 19:38 [#02171926]
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woo, that triggered some fuckers.


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2008-02-04 20:17 [#02171932]
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All these years of feeling disdain for yourself have already
left a mark on your psyche. Don't be too proud to seek
help.

Best of luck


 

offline futureimage from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2008-02-05 02:50 [#02171967]
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Yes, me.


 

offline K300i from United Kingdom on 2008-02-05 12:47 [#02172079]
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there is difference between flac and cd audio.believe me,
every decent cd player in range above, 10k sterling, will
clearly show you the difference. obviously, you would have
to use similar quality speaker set and amplifier to hear
that.

dariusgrifffin: i agree on lack of artists ability to forsee
what te listener will do or hear. however, as a big hi-fi
fan i believe that dedicated audio systems are the only ones
providing the full audio experience when listening closely
to albums.whether you want to listen to something in
background, car or on shitty quality ipod, is another piece
of cake.

QRDL: do i look like i care ?


 

offline SlipDrinkMats from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2008-02-05 12:53 [#02172080]
Points: 1744 Status: Regular



If FLAC is lossless, then... how is the CD better? Does it
add something? I'm sure if I listened to anything on a
£10K+ system I'd convince myself x10,000 times it sounded
better otherwise I'd think I'd just spunked away £9,800 on
just sleek design and discreet digital display.


 

offline jonestm from American Samoa on 2008-02-05 13:00 [#02172085]
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I prefer having an official physical cd with artwork.
They could have done a non-special bonus cd as well :(
What's the reason for only 1000 special editions?
Do Warp or Autechre actually make more money this way?


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-05 13:35 [#02172119]
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are you fucking kidding me? lol

abx it and you're my god.


 

offline jackeroffer from Aruba on 2008-02-05 13:36 [#02172122]
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oyvinto , are you serious? you get your 2 disc special
edition already? how is that possible if its not due out
till march 3rd


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2008-02-05 13:39 [#02172127]
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No you don't and why should you?

But do a simple thing for me:
1. Rip z CD to FLAC using the help provided by EAC forums
and stuff, that is retaining all the info about gaps between
songs.
2. Burn a CD from the created files (remember to use the CUE
sheet).
3. Make images of both the original and the recorded CD.
4. Compare the image files bit by bit using for example
Total Commander

If there is a difference you are clearly doing something
wrong.

A quicker version of this test would involve compressing a
WAV file to FLAC and back again, but there is a chance you
believe that there is a difference between WAV and CD.

It's quite appaling that people don't understand the basics
of digital data storage. A guy in a hi-fi store I visited
once wanted to organize a special presentation of his
hardware using CDs copied on his 4000€-worth
professional CD-burner, a burner which makes ALMOST
identical copies of the original media. Fuck me, I'll use my
30€ DVD burner from LG which somehow can magically
create a perfect copy of a CD containing an archive which
wouldn't have decompressed later if it wasn't exactly the
same file. Since that time I'm quite convinced that most of
audiophiles are common con-men or guys who cannot admit
they've wasted a lot of time and resources chasing some
illusion.



 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2008-02-05 13:41 [#02172129]
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agree with K300i, except i must not be informed how a
physical medium compact disc is of higher digital quality
than a FLAC rip.



 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-02-05 13:49 [#02172143]
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you can add SIR GODEL to the suckerclub

ps: i'm not over 30


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-02-05 13:49 [#02172144]
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I have spent $100,000 USD on my stereo setup including
$10,000 dollars for cabling and a $3,000 set of acoustically
neutral wooden knobs, and I can tell you from personal
experience and extensive testing with a $17,000
Gleisner-Fawtze linear phase analysis spectrometer that
there is no difference between CD audio and Flac audio.

Also, you could try decompressing a flac into wav and invert
the phase to see if it cancels a wav ripped from CD when
summed against it in a multitrack editor. That's probably
slightly cheaper, so true audiophiles will prefer the first
method.


 

offline jackeroffer from Aruba on 2008-02-05 13:51 [#02172146]
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audiophile culture = modern snake oil sales


 

offline jackeroffer from Aruba on 2008-02-05 13:51 [#02172147]
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oyvinto = does he have the 2cd set or not


 


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