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the biggest problem i see w/ a lot of young guys getting into making electronic music is that they use too many fucking vsts that fuck up their beats , it all sounds the same ,all of that shit has been done before, all the glithcy ass stabby noise. dudes need to get back into writing fat ass rhythms and beats and shit... the whole like 'glitch vst' thing i, it is boring to me but if im totally wrong just say fuck you cygnus or work off of this to make for some good conversation or some shit, i dont know, fuck this thread |
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fuck you |
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i rarely use any fx in my tracks anymore. |
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i agree, people just shove stuff through plugins and it's meant to be "complex". use a good old mpc damnit! they're too much fun. and the mpc1000 iss very portable. |
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yeah ive never been big on vst's at all just good old fashion chopping and a few internal fx can make for some nice things i agree with you both cygnus and SMP on this one the vst shit if you have good sound design to begin with you really dont need a legion of vsts and or fx |
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i use the mpc2000xl+ for ze beats |
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I like richard devine |
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i like Slayer |
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But that's what you do? You don't understand the process behind it and making it yours. Your music sounds like 'fast IDM cut up' but it's soul less. Instead of making 4 tracks a week, try making music for a few months, then see how you feel. |
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or in some cases years |
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zing |
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I was thinking of getting a 4-track cassette recorder. |
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What I love, I mean truly love is this: Fiddling with the tools you have to make music. Finding out new shit and discovering something you never knew possible. I fucking love that. I need to get me some hardware instead of this software shite. I want to feel that fucking electronic pulse coming out of that machine. I want control. I want to fucking take over the world. I want it all! Seriously though; I want a synth so much. |
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i got a 4 track for xmas and its been a godsend. completely changed my process of making music, and it got me playing guitar again. deffinately has a much more personal vibe now. |
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for me it's much more interesting, and satisfying, when i know the theory behind what you're doing - but it's still good fun to muck around without thinking too deeply about what you're doing, and then hearing what you've managed to bodge up. ("here comes the science!") |
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A 4track cassette hedphukkerr ? I was debating whether to get a cassette or a tascam 388. The later is much larger and better, but the cassette has appeal too. |
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i just adore cassettes in general, tape hiss makes me warm and fuzzy. |
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if your saying that then you havent even heard any of my music, the process behind throwing a ton of vsts on a channel and fucking up a beat is lame,if you knew anything youd know my shit is hip hop and rap beats, for beat fiends... |
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if that's your shit, what's your good stuff? :) |
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nice one |
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How do your bass frequencies hold up on cassette? Or does the tape make your stuff more bassy? |
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Analogue can successfully carry sound frequencies 5hz lower than digital can. But tape generally dies sooner than rom. |
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And has anybody noticed the new thing seems to be unafected beats. I think the analogy for film special effects stands here. If you can hear the effect on the music, than you haven't done it right. |
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You know, synths aren't that expensive. If you have $100 kicking around, you can get yourself one of the lesser known classics. |
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if you wanna buy a 100$ synth you're better of with software. what do you wanna buy with 100 dollars? a tr505? well you could buy it and then circuit bend it. because it sounds like shit out of the box. |
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tx81z SH32 s950 cz1000 any of the dx's aside from the seven or the one sy22 darkstar I consider those pretty good for the price you can get them for If your paying $100 for a 505 your getting ripped off. |
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Thats a small list. My worst sounding synthesizer is probly the Poly800. I spent 80 dollars on it (and twenty shipping) but I can get a better "jungle" sound off of that then I can out of practically any software synthesizer. Plus it comes with keys. |
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pure lazyness. that's the whole problem with young artist's. instead of making one good track a month you have to make 4 in a week. yeah i know the problem i have exactly the same. about using glitch: the fact you use glitch doesn't make you automatically lame. glitch is a very nice and interesting tool and i mean it was made for cutting up beats so what ? if you use it in a interesting, new and creative way it's ok. i mean you could say exactly the same about the fruity granulizer for example or suppatrigga and isntajungle. i mean come on! since when are we judging the effort of making music rather than the music itself... christ |
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i mean come on! since when are we judging the effort of making music rather than the music itself... christ I thought thats what glitch was all about :P |
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yeah i guess so |
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i agree with cygnus all about having a damn good , solid , beat in the first place , then perhaps some retriggering is okay but i think its best to do stuff like that by chopping up the .wav files as you obviously have so much more control over fine detail , its not pressing a button. like those fucking jackdark vsts , they are pathetic. they all sound like delays with short repeats , high feedback and bitcrushing. its not as if one cant chain a few delays , filters and bitcrushers anyway........plus then of course you can sequence the mashup business in far more amusing ways as you can record the same loop with diffo fx multiple times and then layer etc... blah im stoned but basically fuck one button miracle glitch shite. i need more compressors. |
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I think what everybody here needs is an evolver ;) |
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interesting posts |
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agreed. fuck that glitchy shit, and just use good rythms or jazzy rythems |
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Youre arguments clash a bit... maybe people are lazy but if its easier, as you say, you shouldnt judge music by the effort that went into it. I personally think that it's not so much lazyness as the fact people now make electronic music for themselves or to see what they can produce, maybe without aiming to be particularly original. |
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I don't make electronic music any more because I was shit. I sold all my VST's to a man who collects letters and he needed the V and the T. He is going to sell the S on eBay so keep your eyes peeled. |
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Everyone wanted to be Batman, so they all got Batman halloween costumes, and now that everyone looks ridiculous they don't like Batman any more. |
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I fucking love Batman and wear my costume most days. |
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Ha ha! Yeah Batman is still cool. |
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basically, you're saying everything sounds the same, so let's go back to old ideas? |
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haha |
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I hope you actually haven't stopped making music. I honestly liked a majority of the stuff you did. Even though it was only 40 seconds long on average. |
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what about |
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cygnus i descided to write something in a kinda "let them kids do what the hell they want with vst's" way, but then i read this? :/ |
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i just stick loads of crap on a drum track. then chop it up. then just have induvidual hits of little random clicky things. i dont let any fx position my drum hits for me. |
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I love hearing the good old 606 using it's internal sequencer. Nice and RAW! |
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ok ill rephrase;; its anti-progressive, theres no start->finish when youre just throwing a bunch of random stuff out there and you dont know whats going to happen... its anti-performance, or something, i dont know. you should be able to get what im saying without disagree or agreeing with me or getting mad or whatever |
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You can control randomness with parametres of course. You don't like generative music then? :) |
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who cares? if it sounds good then listen to it. if it sounds bad don't listen. random or programmed up the arse, who cares? this is a really poor arguement. what is the difference between firing up a glitch vst on a drumloop and seeing what it sounds like and taking the batteries out of a 303 and see what the patterns sound like, or randomly twiddle knobs on a synth and see what it sounds like? so what if loads of young guys are using VSTs???? what's the problem are they gunna take your slot as the new upcoming superstar? |
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