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offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 14:27 [#01839821]
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don't worry, have a bath, smell the pot purri


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 14:29 [#01839824]
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"they use too many fucking vsts that fuck up their beats"

well, let them use what they want, let them be. let them
fuck up their beats.


 

offline oyvinto on 2006-02-12 14:31 [#01839826]
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mc hammer never used vst's


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 14:39 [#01839830]
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well think about it after its written , its not generative
music its generated music once its all done. even if you put
in some signals yourself or automated something else to
happen. so then all thats left is whether or not you had a
point to generate all that stuff, whether or not you wanted
it to lead the listener somewhere or whether or not you just
wanted to generate a pallete of noises that are sequenced
4/4 you know what im saying... most of these richard devine
copycats do this, they're satisfied with just a pallete of
noises, no buildup... think of a video game that just throws
a bunch of random enemy types at you of mixed difficulty. or
think of a girl whose sucking your dick and goes all gung-ho
about it and is licking your balls at one moment but seconds
later is fingering your asshole you get what im sayin/?


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 14:45 [#01839832]
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so what if loads of young guys are using VSTs???? what's
the
problem are they gunna take your slot as the new upcoming
superstar?


no im just expressing my opinion of it . am i allowed to do
that? ok with you? feel free to disagree with me but you
dont really have to attack me


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 14:48 [#01839833]
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cause he didn't know them


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-02-12 14:52 [#01839837]
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In the first post you said "if im totally wrong just say
fuck you cygnus". As I said, stop talking hollow crap and
make some music for a few months.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 14:54 [#01839839]
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its not even like that, like im not trying to stop anyoen
from using vst's jesus christ im just saying all that
fucking shit in the hands of beginners ALL 100% OF IT SOUNDS
ALIKE


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 14:57 [#01839844]
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100% of the lazy stuff sounds the same.

The clever use of a VST means it doesn't sound like everyone
elses using that VST.


 

offline xceque on 2006-02-12 14:59 [#01839846]
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I don't even know what vst is.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 14:59 [#01839847]
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youre the one who right off attacked my music calling it
soulless, and that it sounds like IDM cutup. telling me what
i do and do not understand. im just trying to say there
should be a broader entrance, and you cant stop reminding me
how bad my music sucks. well i already know that thanks!
back to the discussion at hand


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 15:01 [#01839853]
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lets see if this works...

100% of the lazy stuff sounds the same.

The clever use of a VST means it doesn't sound like
everyone
elses using that VST.

+ my original point...

biggest problem i see w/ a lot of young guys getting
into making electronic music is that they use too many
fucking vsts that fuck up their beats


= my point. try like adding these together and see what
results you get


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:01 [#01839854]
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Virgin Sex Therapy.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2006-02-12 15:02 [#01839857]
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im afraid that wasn't attacking you. perhaps you are being
overly sensitive! the point is: who cares? there will always
be stuff you don't like. I don't really see the point in
making a new topic, etc etc. I could have been nasty and
started bashing you, but then to be fair I would have to do
it to a couple of others on here first.


 

offline xceque on 2006-02-12 15:02 [#01839858]
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damn! no wonder people use it a lot


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:04 [#01839860]
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Cums in handy.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-02-12 15:05 [#01839861]
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Well, if what you are saying now is truthfull, retract what
you said in your first post and we'll pretend you haven't
got verbal diarrhoea and make souless electronic drivel. 8 )


 

offline xceque on 2006-02-12 15:05 [#01839862]
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or in hanky for those with clearer foresight


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 15:10 [#01839865]
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i am not gonna retract anything ive said in this worthless
thread


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:10 [#01839866]
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Which I don't.

oops.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:11 [#01839868]
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most beginners make crappy beats with or without IDMinABox
v3.51


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-02-12 15:13 [#01839869]
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HaHa! Oh, to be naive and foolish again.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 15:17 [#01839872]
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youre naive and foolish now


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-02-12 15:19 [#01839876]
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Watch this.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:23 [#01839883]
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Kate Wax is pretty


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-02-12 15:28 [#01839888]
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Not half! I was trying to illustrate that a 'girl' can say
the same things as cygnus is trying to say in a foreign
language and be 1000 times as articulate + make better
music.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-02-12 15:29 [#01839893]
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I program drums as I feel they should be, and the only wrong
you can do is if you program them in any other way
than how you feel they should be.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:30 [#01839896]
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I'm still downloading that file.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:31 [#01839899]
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haha, I thought about cygnus when I saw her on that Slices
DVD. they share the obsession on beats :)


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-02-12 15:31 [#01839900]
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she says funny things.


 

offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2006-02-12 15:33 [#01839903]
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not everyone sprouts out of the eart's soil as a new electro
super star, people have to get there. And they use VST's
alot to get there. I respect your oppinion, but making a
whole thread about it how much you hate it? To me that just
sounds foolish, like you can do way alot better then all
them kids :/ But that's just my own personal oppinion


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 15:34 [#01839905]
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youre a fucker


 

offline xceque on 2006-02-12 15:36 [#01839909]
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I gave up it took so long. But if it's on the slices dvd I
can just watch that.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 15:43 [#01839918]
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but , to be honest, he didn't need any vsts to become a
legend, did he.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:46 [#01839924]
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hahaha, it just dawned on me. I've got that sat RIGHT in
front of me :s


 

offline oyvinto on 2006-02-12 15:47 [#01839926]
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it's just a cultural thing. bragging americans you know.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:50 [#01839931]
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and the most clever thing he did was to state that you
can't touch this
, effectively blocking every attempts
people do to dethrone him.


 

offline hinotori on 2006-02-12 15:51 [#01839933]
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heres a nice question :)

- what drum machine / software / synth do you love most for
your drum programming and why ?

- e.g. i love cubase cos i pile on loads of vsts . . .


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 15:54 [#01839940]
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haha...."this" = buggy trousers ?


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:54 [#01839941]
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or contens in said trousers


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 15:59 [#01839949]
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LOL


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offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 16:24 [#01839965]
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mc hammer's the bomb!!!!!!


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offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 16:28 [#01839968]
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I can see what cygnus is saying. As someone who makes music,
a factor of my enjoyment when I listen to other artists is
along the lines of, "wow, how did they do that?" In the same
way I admire the complexity of some jazz playing, or the
beauty of classical works, I am astounded by the drums
programming and sound creation of music from this genre.
Now, I know this is probably just me-but to find out that
"that amazing beat" was simply the result of shoving a
shitty drum loop through some VSTs is something that
detracts from my love of the music. But I understand and
appreciate the view that we should simply concerntrate on
the end result, and not the process. I, however, can't help
but care about the process-if a piece is the result of
slapping a preset drum loop with a preset synth loop, I will
respect and enjoy it less than the same track being the
result of detailed design by the artist.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 16:30 [#01839969]
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uh oh, uh oh, uh oh uh oh

here comes the hammer


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offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-02-12 16:35 [#01839974]
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Cygnus didn't say that though, read his first post.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-02-13 00:25 [#01840117]
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word, its an artifical means to an intricate sound. i always
went on about real time phrasing, and stand by it.


 

offline hanal from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-13 00:42 [#01840118]
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good morning people.may you all have a wonderful day.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-13 00:48 [#01840119]
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sup dave!!!! peace out :)


 

offline hanal from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-13 00:50 [#01840121]
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good morning sir,just about to head of to work,thought id
say hi.
hi.


 

offline oyvinto on 2006-02-13 00:57 [#01840122]
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good morningz!


 


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