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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 14:27 [#01839821]
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don't worry, have a bath, smell the pot purri
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 14:29 [#01839824]
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"they use too many fucking vsts that fuck up their beats"
well, let them use what they want, let them be. let them fuck up their beats.
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oyvinto
on 2006-02-12 14:31 [#01839826]
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mc hammer never used vst's
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 14:39 [#01839830]
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well think about it after its written , its not generative music its generated music once its all done. even if you put in some signals yourself or automated something else to happen. so then all thats left is whether or not you had a point to generate all that stuff, whether or not you wanted it to lead the listener somewhere or whether or not you just wanted to generate a pallete of noises that are sequenced 4/4 you know what im saying... most of these richard devine copycats do this, they're satisfied with just a pallete of noises, no buildup... think of a video game that just throws a bunch of random enemy types at you of mixed difficulty. or think of a girl whose sucking your dick and goes all gung-ho about it and is licking your balls at one moment but seconds later is fingering your asshole you get what im sayin/?
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 14:45 [#01839832]
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so what if loads of young guys are using VSTs???? what's the
problem are they gunna take your slot as the new upcoming superstar?
no im just expressing my opinion of it . am i allowed to do that? ok with you? feel free to disagree with me but you dont really have to attack me
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 14:48 [#01839833]
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cause he didn't know them
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-02-12 14:52 [#01839837]
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In the first post you said "if im totally wrong just say fuck you cygnus". As I said, stop talking hollow crap and make some music for a few months.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 14:54 [#01839839]
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its not even like that, like im not trying to stop anyoen from using vst's jesus christ im just saying all that fucking shit in the hands of beginners ALL 100% OF IT SOUNDS ALIKE
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 14:57 [#01839844]
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100% of the lazy stuff sounds the same.
The clever use of a VST means it doesn't sound like everyone elses using that VST.
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xceque
on 2006-02-12 14:59 [#01839846]
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I don't even know what vst is.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 14:59 [#01839847]
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youre the one who right off attacked my music calling it soulless, and that it sounds like IDM cutup. telling me what i do and do not understand. im just trying to say there should be a broader entrance, and you cant stop reminding me how bad my music sucks. well i already know that thanks! back to the discussion at hand
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 15:01 [#01839853]
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lets see if this works...
100% of the lazy stuff sounds the same.
The clever use of a VST means it doesn't sound like everyone
elses using that VST. + my original point...
biggest problem i see w/ a lot of young guys getting into making electronic music is that they use too many fucking vsts that fuck up their beats
= my point. try like adding these together and see what results you get
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:01 [#01839854]
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Virgin Sex Therapy.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2006-02-12 15:02 [#01839857]
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im afraid that wasn't attacking you. perhaps you are being overly sensitive! the point is: who cares? there will always be stuff you don't like. I don't really see the point in making a new topic, etc etc. I could have been nasty and started bashing you, but then to be fair I would have to do it to a couple of others on here first.
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xceque
on 2006-02-12 15:02 [#01839858]
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damn! no wonder people use it a lot
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:04 [#01839860]
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Cums in handy.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-02-12 15:05 [#01839861]
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Well, if what you are saying now is truthfull, retract what you said in your first post and we'll pretend you haven't got verbal diarrhoea and make souless electronic drivel. 8 )
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xceque
on 2006-02-12 15:05 [#01839862]
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or in hanky for those with clearer foresight
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 15:10 [#01839865]
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i am not gonna retract anything ive said in this worthless thread
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:10 [#01839866]
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Which I don't.
oops.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:11 [#01839868]
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most beginners make crappy beats with or without IDMinABox v3.51
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-02-12 15:13 [#01839869]
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HaHa! Oh, to be naive and foolish again.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 15:17 [#01839872]
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youre naive and foolish now
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-02-12 15:19 [#01839876]
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Watch this.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:23 [#01839883]
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Kate Wax is pretty
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-02-12 15:28 [#01839888]
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Not half! I was trying to illustrate that a 'girl' can say the same things as cygnus is trying to say in a foreign language and be 1000 times as articulate + make better music.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-02-12 15:29 [#01839893]
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I program drums as I feel they should be, and the only wrong you can do is if you program them in any other way than how you feel they should be.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:30 [#01839896]
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I'm still downloading that file.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:31 [#01839899]
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haha, I thought about cygnus when I saw her on that Slices DVD. they share the obsession on beats :)
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-02-12 15:31 [#01839900]
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she says funny things.
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2006-02-12 15:33 [#01839903]
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not everyone sprouts out of the eart's soil as a new electro super star, people have to get there. And they use VST's alot to get there. I respect your oppinion, but making a whole thread about it how much you hate it? To me that just sounds foolish, like you can do way alot better then all them kids :/ But that's just my own personal oppinion
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 15:34 [#01839905]
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youre a fucker
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xceque
on 2006-02-12 15:36 [#01839909]
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I gave up it took so long. But if it's on the slices dvd I can just watch that.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 15:43 [#01839918]
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but , to be honest, he didn't need any vsts to become a legend, did he.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 15:46 [#01839924]
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hahaha, it just dawned on me. I've got that sat RIGHT in front of me :s
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oyvinto
on 2006-02-12 15:47 [#01839926]
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it's just a cultural thing. bragging americans you know.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:50 [#01839931]
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and the most clever thing he did was to state that you can't touch this, effectively blocking every attempts people do to dethrone him.
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hinotori
on 2006-02-12 15:51 [#01839933]
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heres a nice question :)
- what drum machine / software / synth do you love most for your drum programming and why ?
- e.g. i love cubase cos i pile on loads of vsts . . .
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 15:54 [#01839940]
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haha...."this" = buggy trousers ?
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 15:54 [#01839941]
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or contens in said trousers
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-02-12 15:59 [#01839949]
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LOL
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-12 16:24 [#01839965]
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mc hammer's the bomb!!!!!!
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-12 16:28 [#01839968]
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I can see what cygnus is saying. As someone who makes music, a factor of my enjoyment when I listen to other artists is along the lines of, "wow, how did they do that?" In the same way I admire the complexity of some jazz playing, or the beauty of classical works, I am astounded by the drums programming and sound creation of music from this genre. Now, I know this is probably just me-but to find out that "that amazing beat" was simply the result of shoving a shitty drum loop through some VSTs is something that detracts from my love of the music. But I understand and appreciate the view that we should simply concerntrate on the end result, and not the process. I, however, can't help but care about the process-if a piece is the result of slapping a preset drum loop with a preset synth loop, I will respect and enjoy it less than the same track being the result of detailed design by the artist.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-02-12 16:30 [#01839969]
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uh oh, uh oh, uh oh uh oh
here comes the hammer
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-02-12 16:35 [#01839974]
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Cygnus didn't say that though, read his first post.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-02-13 00:25 [#01840117]
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word, its an artifical means to an intricate sound. i always went on about real time phrasing, and stand by it.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-13 00:42 [#01840118]
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good morning people.may you all have a wonderful day.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-02-13 00:48 [#01840119]
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sup dave!!!! peace out :)
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-13 00:50 [#01840121]
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good morning sir,just about to head of to work,thought id say hi.
hi.
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oyvinto
on 2006-02-13 00:57 [#01840122]
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good morningz!
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