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from a survey in SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN: "A religious campaign to block the teaching of evolutionary biology is taking an inexorable grip on the US..." "...a startling 45 per cent of Americans now believe God created life some time in the past 10,000 years...our nation went from the Earth to the Moon a few years ago, and discovered these worlds date back billions of years. Now...they even argue that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, like they do in The Flintstones." "Ohio is considering banning evolution teaching, and even New York and Massachusetts are turning against evolution." |
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that is fucking twisted |
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oh.. silly people *sigh* |
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infidel! :) |
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americans have to take care of their educational system... |
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A "religous" aquaintance of mine tried to tell me that dinosaurs and man co-existed. I really wasn't in the mood to argue with him so I had to walk away. I don't know how, or more importantly why, these ideas get spread. |
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I don't know about those statistics. Separation of church and state is very important in public schools around here. I don't know about private schools...since i didn't go to one, but I live in MA and it doesn't seem like a hyper-christian state to me. Still, with George W. wanting to give out government vouchers to religious schools, i dunno. I really don't want that guy as president. oh. take a look at this... hehe http://www.thetruthforyouth.com/ |
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i advocate the teaching of evolution. religious solidarity creates social instability. |
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Yeah, they languish pretty low in the world league tables.. |
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i kinda wish people were more williing to learn and be educated. the education is there, but a lot of people tend to blow it off. |
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well children are educated to make money rather than for the joy of learning. my wife's friend, in senior year, moved from america to brazil to study in a brazillian high school, and had to return because her education was insufficient...and brazil is designated as a third world country... |
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*sigh* i guess money's more important than moral values to the government. and when they consider moral values, they probably only consider religion. i think it's true that one can establish their own morals by adopting what they feel is right to them personally rather than be a religious sheep and not take initiative. i guess it's too late for those who've had the religious implant from their childhood to change their values, but i guess it's not important anyway if society's run chiefly on money. |
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I find that hard to believe... although I know that in some southern states this is true... |
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i was brought up a catholic, was an altar boy and all that shit -- i changed my values - it's never too late to have a mental polarity disturbance *mpd* |
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ask why... why does the ideas in "evolution" bother people so much? what is the motivation for hating "evolution"? the basic science of how genes work is hardly controversal, just about everything we eat in western society has been bred for selected characteristics to a very large extent, so the part about how things change thru selection of characteristics cannot be what bothers them.... so what is so evil about evolution? people want to seperate themselves from all other creatures and believe they are "better". people want to believe the world is much younger because it make them and christian society seem more important. people wantto believe that the world was created specifically for white christian society. plus, the long unspoken reason that offends southern americans so mush, when someone says that humans come form apes from africa, they interpret that you are saying that white people are descended from "niggers", and in the rascist mentality, no matter how white you look, you still are a "nigger" if you have so-called "nigger blood", basic simple rascism.it has nothing to do for the search for objective truth, it is about creating a truth that makes them feel important. |
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It's good to see that some americans are smarter than their president. I heard that Buch also believes in that "God created life" stuff. Is it true? |
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Buch = Bush. Sorry |
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well how do you know God didn't create life? |
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I think everyone agrees with me that there must be something that creates another thing. So who created God? |
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well, lets go back to the beginning of the big bang theory... what caused the big bang? What did create life? |
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erk.. |
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I'm just saying, you can't prove that God exists or doesn't exist just as you can't prove the big bang theory happened or didn't happen... it's just whatever you believe... but anyways, I don't want to start a big arguement or anything... |
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they tell you that "God" created himself... end of discussion, so ya gotta have "faith". bleh. seems like such an empty answer, that really does not answer any questions... but you know... "God works in mysterious ways"... so, if you have that mentality, why is the "evolution" world view less valid than the fundamental christian view... because they don't LIKE the implications of the scientific view... i mean, if "god" works is magical, mysterious ways, anything could be true, we cannot then trust our senses then anyway. ... i think that christians are degrading their "God" by ignoring the reality of his "creation", they are selfish and self-righteous in their view. i would not trust their "God" anyway. ... has anybody read Nietzsche? i think i'm gonna pick up one of his books soon... |
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I was just talking to my girlfriend and she asked me the same question :-) I can't give an answer to that question, but there are much more proofs for a big bang than for god. What did create life? There are many concepts for the creation of life. Scientists prefer the version of bacteriums which lifed 1 km underneath the ocean surface near vulcans at 100-150°C. Sorry that my reply takes so long but my scientific english isn't so well. |
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Yeah, I know what you are saying, its just a bit pointless me adding to it since its all so unproveable! |
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I believe in God, but I don't discount science... sure I believe in evolution to a certain extent... but nobody can't prove either, so people just believe what they believe... |
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I don't believe in God, but I agree with you that there will always be something that can't be proofed. |
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we discuss about God and creation quite a bit on here... :) |
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some people feel that they must belong to what everyone else preaches. i myself have been to church & all that, but i guess it's never too late for those who are individual thinkers to establish their own moral values |
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I think its bad that the state seems to want to make decisions despite what the parents think. What if you are in ohio and you are a secular family. You believe in evolution and the big bang and you think the whole idea of god is an explaination for simple minds. Now your kids are forced to believe in someone else's viewpoint that you dissagree in. What the hell is going on? |
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the idea of creationism makes people feel very special.. the whole universe was created just for you, and you were created in the image of a perfect god ..how satisfying! its scary that the worlds most powerful (by far) country has such an uneducated public, who are willing to actually ban the teaching of evolution just to satisfy their own religious beliefs! i thought seperation of church and state was a pretty basic idea that happened hundreds of years ago.. only in the most 'primitive' societies today does religion get taken so seriously its just dangerous! it actually scares me... |
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you should search for a topic called "god"... it was on here a couple months ago i think.. it was what got me addicted to this message board! its sort of related to this.. |
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Oh well. Hopefully they will fall into a dark age and ban scientific advancement, and the stupid ones will go and live thier life. But thats a stupid thing to say. |
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i guess some willing to let go the ancient institution of religion. i could understand that people want a sense of belonging, but then the reasons for conflicts such as Palestine v. Israel are evident. |
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oops "aren't" should be in between "some" and "willing" |
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So many examples, Palestine vs israel, Northern Ireland, Tribal tensions in africa, India vs Pakistan. Loads. |
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WWJD? i think i like WWYD better. |
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and in each world religion, there seem to be tons of branches of religious subcategories of that central religion in which that religion is interpreted differently. sheesh. |
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i.e. the whole god thing. There only is buddism that hasnt got a god. Well, that i know of. |
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this is why the rest of the world is scared of america: the fusion of fascism, capitalism and ignorance into a neat red-white-andblue bundle: i realise that not all the people there are idiots but it seems all the people with power are zealous children: bush is a thick cunt who lacks even a basic understanding of the world: america is run by the close-minded fools that support the blinkering of life: even if they don't believe in evolution they should teach it as a major scientific belief: if a school banned the discussion and teaching of christianity or exlcuded christians there would be an out cry. FUCK THESE EVIL, ILL-INFORMED CUNTS WHO WALLOW IN IGNORANCE AND THE OPRESIVE MENTAL CANCER THEY PERPETUATE!!!!!! THE HIGHLY EVOLVED JINGLE |
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And with that, we close this discussion. No, im totally with you there jingle. To everyone else, america is run by a bunch of zenophobic idiots who believe that thier country is the best. Why? Land of the free. Really? |
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hmmm, well I shall open it again... to believe in God, is not necessarily to believe in religion... religion is stupid... if you believe in God, it's all in the bible how you should live... all the conflicts over religion is because of man... and a little sidenote, actually some forms of buddhism worship Buddha as a god I believe... |
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yeah, buddhism is not neccesarily without god. many sects. |
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I do think it's funny how so many believers in God can renounce evolution. If you have ever had a mystical, deeply spiritual experience, you have likely touched upon the feeling of "oneness." Isn't this exactly what evolution is? It's the link between all of existence. No clear lines; everything just flows into everything else. Please keep in mind that many scientific minded folk are as blind as the religious (not all religious are blind, same percent as the non religious). Two different systems of dogma. The only constant is change (didn't somebody use this phrase here recently?). At one point it was thought that the Earth was flat. Believe that many of the things we think we know because of science today will prove to be as far from truth as the flat Earth. Those of you who are strictly science minded are eating up your teachings just like the catholics or whoever. |
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"all the conflicts over religion is because of man..." how is believing in god and not religion not a religion .. imho it doesn't matter what you believe .. people are always going to disagree (eg. what i'm saying right now). it depends what you define as a religion .. but one always has a point of view (which i guess i sort of assimilated with religion) .. one can never step "out" of ones point of view .. and so - in a certain sense, one is as bad as the other .. just from "my" point of view some are better than others .. blah blah .. or something 2ndlly: to me the question of whether god exists or not is not only unprovable .. but irrelevant, in the sense that we aren't in a position to pose the question .. doing so only demonstrates the pervertedness of our reality. Re: the us education thing .. quite alarming. not because i think science is the be all and end all of things. - perhaps the evolutionary/science pigeon holes fit a bit tighter around what we perceive as reality than religious ones .. and so can largely be deemed "more correct" or something?? But what seems alarming is what seems to me like brainwashing (which can occur, imho just as easily - if not easier with science)! excuse my rant n rave .. but just had to add my measly 2c worth also .. :) |
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i totally second that cancerfold .. meanwhile tho - one can not escape a dogma - even not subscribing to any dogma's is a dogma - twisted! |
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of course... weather ur 'scientific' or 'religious' minded is just the most superficial/irrelivent part... its what goes on underneath that matters... its how u really think underneath all the labels you give to urself that matters 'scientific' people can be irrational, vis versa, etc, whatever.. |
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well, to talk about the USA, i think the attitude is "WE'RE NO. 1!" WOO_HOO! (imagine Homer) England had that attitude back in the 19th century and before, when they rationalized colonizing and forcing "lesser" cultures to try to assimilate, for the "good" of everybody (especially the profits of England). its an attitude that we are no.1, the "alpha culture", the leaders of the free world (the right and proper world), the number one country and culture, led by the number one people (white), and the number one religion (christianity), also, in christianity, white people tend to consider themselves the leading and purest race among christians. i'm not saying that all americans say and think these ideas literally, but that these three number ones in our minds(religion, race, and culture) tend to warp our outlook on others. for some white americans, no matter how stupid or ugly or boring they are, in their minds, nobody can take away the "fact" that they are part of the "leading" faction on our Earth, very proud to say that they are Americans, because it makes them feel superior. now, "black" americans are different, poorer blacks especially, they know they are not part of the number one majority "party", they have a much different attitude (which is often a refreshing change). white americans are often absolutely convinced of their righteousness and superority, and they can always fall back on "WE'RE NO. 1!" to rationize it and anything. the ends justifies the means. I don't think that Canadians have nearly so much of this attitude... more laid back. does this explanation make any sense to you? |
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np: autechre - drane2 |
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"i totally second that cancerfold .. meanwhile tho - one can not escape a dogma - even not subscribing to any dogma's is a dogma - twisted! " yes, exactly! |
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