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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4599340.stm |
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makes sense..i know i pay more attention to music i actually buy. |
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tolstoyed we're actually agreeing on things |
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I read this earlier courtesy of , and I repeat what I said there, that music has been devalued, not only because it's so freely avaialble, but because there's so much of it, and so much of it is rubbish. But if I think of the glory days of electronic music,. scouring the country for records, now you get little Tridenti, 17, having downloaded gigs upon gigs of albums, everything I had plus a billoin I never even got round to finding or buying, you can't say he has the same experience as finding the actual records. Or can you? |
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well, i tend to speak the truth, so it can happen. |
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"...that music has been devalued, not only because it's so freely avaialble, but because there's so much of it, and so much of it is rubbish." Yup. |
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there's definitelly more shit nowdays since everyone can produce music. you can make a song in 20 minutes nowdays and it used to take you days to acomplish same thing - therefore i reckon people put them into their music in the past and you can hear that (well, i can). the genuinity is gone in most modern music.. |
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although the fact that some of the weaker 'hobby' labels are going out of business right now might cancel the effect a bit |
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there's a unique excitement that accompanies the trip to the record store and the trip home, and when the music comes through and lives up to the expectations, it greatly increases the joy you experience upon listening to that certain album for the first time. this, in turn, creates a stronger bind between yourself and the album, even the sight of the album cover can evoke emotions that stem back to this original listening.. |
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Finger crossed, fingers fucking crossed. I hope those goddamn people take the fucking hint. |
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'genuinity'? |
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Ingenuity? |
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i was trying to make a new word out of genuine it seems..should be genuineness i think. |
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Authenticity? Heartfeltness? Expression apart from bankruptcy. All these things hold true. |
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I don't see how the value of music is influenced by its cost. Sure, I enjoy going to the music store like anyone else but it's usually to buy an album I heard for free. The feeling I get from hearing a good record is the same regardless. Same for terrible albums although it sucks even more if money was wasted on it. |
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i would certainly hope so. I feel like i have been looking through the window of a hospital as a young man dies. Its happening and no one is really doing anything to help. The whole scene is embarassingly saturated with crap. Not to mention the countless mp3 hunters that serve just to archieve music as opposed to listening, appreciating and discussing. There was a time when i figured the whole community would disband over the next couple of years. The fact of the matter is no one wants to work for a buck and being an "established" artist can make money without demanding physical labor so you have numerous twenty-somethings chasing the dream of being an "artist" *sigh* |
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Please excuse my ignorance but... what's so different between this and any other scene? Any genre I look at I see the avant-garde, the traditional but skilled, and undeveloped but promising and the hacks. There's just more of the latter and less of the former because the tools of production are much more accessible. |
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I love getting a new record. It's fucking awesome. I download because I can't afford to buy everything I want. I'm not rich. If I was then I'd download porn only. |
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you answered your own question unknowingly or not. "There's just more of the latter and less of the former because the tools of production are much more accessible." All one really needs to do is download software and they are making beats. Lets take a look at rock. You at least have to assemble a band, buy instruments and practice together. You dont have to do that here. Everyday tracks are cranked out at a very high rate People with multiple albums of varying quality. Bands either get results or dont due to gigging. |
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i don't agree with any of this. same as it's ever been. effort it takes to find genuinely class stuff is the same i think. |
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yet there are still soooo many completely terrible rock bands. i'd say there's at least as many or more horrible rock bands as there are bedroom producers. in fact, i'd wager at least twice as many. wouldn't you say there are more rock fans in the world than electronica fans? |
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It's definately true in my case, even if I really like a downloaded album I rarely listen to it more than 10-20 times before I feel as though I'm "done" with it. |
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whats bad aboud bedroom producers? Everyone has a right to express himself, even the not-so-talanted ones. |
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:) <3! :) |
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This is why I get irked about bedroom producers so slavishly adhering to "commercial" music values. Is it expression, or is it a little advert from yourself saying "Hey, look, I could be marketable"? |
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madison's record stores are a joke and i don't really get any thrill out of clicking "order" and waiting 7-10 days for some lp to show up in the mail. so i can't really identify with people who love the act of buying a record. i guess i enjoy owning good records but the act of acquiring them doesn't excite me. i dont care if the first time i hear a record it's in mp3 form, it doesn't devalue the music for me. |
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nothing and you're right. i would say it's the same in any genre |
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you're absolutely right about that. regarding d_b's point, i think that people adopt "commercial" values or qualities simply because they like them. there was a time when "commercial" values were called "popular" values. for me, when making music, what's most important is making something that i would like to listen to. it so happens that i like a fair amount of commercial music. though i suppose the results are sort of retardedly commercial... |
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i used to go to a shop called "the razor room" in madison back in the day. i bought the gescom motor ep there along with many other gems. and then electronica died... |
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there is no proof to what you are saying. how can you know that every or almost every bedroom producer makes music because he wants to be like someone else or shit like that. and generalization is not an argument anyways. bad style. |
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I don't think music has become "devalued", because I can't really work out how that would work, really.. I do agree on people today taking less and less time to actually listen to music and, yes, I do think that has a lot to do with downloading. if you have to pay for music, you spend time making a choice - you want something that'll be worth your money. if it's "free" or at least readily available, it's much easier to quickly think something's shit because there's tons of other stuff you could listen to. |
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well ofcourse. you have to look at the size of the fan base. Rock has a gargantuan fan base opposed to electronic. Therefore you have more people seeing it as a profitable idea. seee what i mean? I am not disagreeing with you. |
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this store must have puckered out before i became conscious of madison's record stores. |
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a profitable idea for a record company, yes. how many bands these days actually do it because they think they might earn a lot of money? |
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the last time i was there was about 10 years ago. they moved to a 2nd location before they folded. it was about a two hour drive one way there for me so there was a lot of anticipation/expectation (and sometimes disappointment) in the trip. it was fun but i'd just as soon tell my computer to send me some cd's. |
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you'd be surprised |
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I don't know, I'm just going by the massive evidence on the Internet, I could have just made it all up though, in a dream. |
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i think most people produce music because they enjoy it, and they like to share it. music is being given away free for the sheer pleasure of doing it, not to make money. very few people (that i've met) give in to the illusion of making a lot of money. even if they're selling music, they're only doing it to break even. people have been entertaining themselves for ages with music, but there was no convenient resource for near-instantaneous distribution. my grandma used to sit at the piano and play and sing for us; i suppose today she'd have a zebox page and you could check out her blazing rendition of "downtown." |
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did you go to school in wisconsin or something? |
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i went to school and lived for a while in northern illinois. |
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tons. numerous people dont want to work after highschool. Chances are they formed a band with friends during HS and now they want to "get a unique sound" or "jump on a bandwagon" There are tons of people like this. I've spent alot of times at small clubs were no-bodys play and get trashed. Little bands with big dreams. |
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Again, I don't see this as a problem. For me value of music is based on the success and clarity of its attempted concept, not the degree of difficulty involved in its production. And there's no reason to single out electronica since all styles and genres are available for downloading. This 'devaluing' is just the effects of your subconcious cross referencing a larger volume of information and finding the general patterns connecting it all. Therefore that special quality of the music, that uniqueness, is not as pronounced as it once was. To put it another way: You're hearing the same ol' thing and lots of it. Maybe its time to branch out? |
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I actually rarely listen to it although perhaps i see tons of spam here because it is an electronic forum. I listen to classic rock, jazz, blues and i am once again entertaining underground hip hop. You do have a good point though. |
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mp3's have made me a sterner critic of music - because i can obtain so much so easily it really cuts a clear line between good and bullshit...an artist has to REALLY impress me to get me to buy their stuff... |
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50% ot the people in this thread didn't read or understand the article posted. |
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I'm one of them. But my excuse is that my bath is almost filled and I don't want it to overflow. I'll read it when I get back. I also like to read threads backwards and see if I've worked out what the first post says by the time I get to it. I'm odd. |
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so what did the BBC say about the Deaf Blind Females? I was screaming at the BBC search engine but I couldn't find anything besides the usual stuff. |
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you're odd, or you have a lot of free time in the evening. |
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*raises hand* I didnt. i was just addressing another post(s) with my own thoughts. |
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i both read and understood it, but there's not much to say about it. it just varies from person to person... |
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