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offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-11 15:54 [#01816636]
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I read the article but it's like reading a news flash that
says the world is round or that farts smell. I know already.



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:02 [#01816641]
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469 netlabels

Those are netlabels, not "bands" (e.g., one guy with a
cracked copy of Reason) or releases.

Netlabels.

Jeesus.

Since I joined Emusic I download tons of great albums and
hardly take the time to appreciate them. Combine that with
all the sharity sites providing great exotica and those
fucking netlabels, and everyone and his doberman yousending
or rapdisharing a track here and a track here, and I'm
starting to actually dislike music.

Did I mention all the myspace, 15megs of fame, zebox and
etc. sites?

It's become a job to weed through it, like having a
completely full stomach but being asked to keep tasting and
judging dishes from buffet after buffet.

This is why wine tasters spit out the wine.


 

offline xceque on 2006-01-11 16:06 [#01816645]
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Easily accessed tunes mean many music lovers are no
longer excited at discovering and playing unfamiliar
work

I think this isn't true, at least not for me, though I can
see how it could be for others. Easy access to music gives
me so much more scope of material to appreciate. While I may
come across a lot more fairly-good or just-mediocre music I
also find more really good music simple because there is
more of all types.

Easy access to music probably does makes you relax the
importance of serious consideration about which music you
get, so your choices are less well thought out and perhaps
that perception of having to enjoy or appreciate something
more because "I've bloody well paid for it so I'm bloody
well going to learn to like it". I don't know if this is a
good thing or not.

The sort of people who think of music as a casual incidental
thing - just decoration - will see the boom in mp3 sharing
and iPods as an all-you-can-eat candy floss bonanza, but
those for whom music is important will always find things
that excite them.

Without all this mp3 lark I'd never have discovered the
likes of Muslimgauze and CoH, to name but two. And I
really like them.

Maybe I'm just a glass-is-half-full guy.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-11 16:07 [#01816646]
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OH ... that link... that link.. EXCELLENT, the motherlode.
It's like pietrobot just shat in my brain.



 

offline xceque on 2006-01-11 16:08 [#01816647]
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I wonder how many people even care that I typed all that.

ps, para 2: simple = simply.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:08 [#01816648]
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Your assignment is to download and evaluate all 666,666,666
tracks.

Good luck, soldier.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-01-11 16:14 [#01816650]
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You are one of the good guys though. When I look for a
track I can't buy or want to hear and try and download it, I
need to wade my way through a loveless load of mp3
collecting toss that makes me sad. Not too dissimilar from
standing on the end of a railway track jotting down numbers
of trains, there are people on those trains.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:15 [#01816651]
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I also have discovered dozens of amazing musicians because
of the net. But do I enjoy them less than I would have if I
had discovered only three or four of them without having my
senses dulled by wading through the iShit filled eCesspool
to get to them?


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2006-01-11 16:15 [#01816652]
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I never ever download. i get all my music from shops,
or ebay, or people i know. a while ago some people i know on
the net had made some songs that they wanted my opinion on,
so i asked them to burn the songs to cd and post them to me,
and they did. downloading may be a great way to find
otherwise hard-to-find music, but theres still plenty of
relatively easy to find music out there i havent heard yet,
and given the slow rate at which i buy music/the rate
artists make music, there will probably never be a need for
me to download. and the 'what if i buy a cd and hate it?'
aspect is all part of the fun.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-11 16:16 [#01816653]
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Random quotes from net labels

Let him take you on this journey of warm melodies and fast
breakcore;

After discovering electronic music around 1992, he dropped
the mic and began focusing on ambient tracks with abstract
beats.

we'd like to introduce you to the newest addition to the
demux roster: space disease.

In the meantime you may consider shopping the chump 'n run
compilation with mixes by Digitalis and Scott Delgado (a
mysterious thinner act hiding behind) via finetunes.net by
clicking here!

In the course of February the webradio station Shouted.FM
mth.Electro will broadcast a 5 hour Zerinnerung special

zwischen Beats und anspruchsvollen Instrumentalen

There's coming on thirty (30) releases now. Some are
available online for nowt, others are forthcoming, and
others will never surface for uh pragmatic reasons.

To travel in space, to discover new galaxies ... but which
musics will have to take along with them the spationauts of
the future ??? Perhaps DELAYSCAPE with his new 6
analogic-tracks EP ...

It is november and we wan't to invite you to a tea break
with Philipp Weigl and his new musical impressions "Silently
Moving". We hope you enjoy the november and won't stop
drinking tea.

He produced the track 'Kimension Drums' for the DRUM SONG
SOURCE CODES EP (JTREP02).
Check out Parmon's homepage for THREE more versions of the
track



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:16 [#01816654]
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Did you ever get that R5 upgrade for Mac?


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-01-11 16:19 [#01816657]
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No! I rang them up and they said it downloads okay using my
password. It's some firewall thing hopefully. My mate
hopefully is downloading it.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-01-11 16:22 [#01816658]
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HaHa!! 'a 5 hour Zerinnerung special' Jesus wept!


 

offline xceque on 2006-01-11 16:22 [#01816659]
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I can see your point, but I think it's a case of how much
music you've heard, how much you get involved in
file-sharing, etc... outlook is influenced by degrees of
experience. You've almost certainly heard much more music
than me so perhaps have more reason to feel more jaded.
There's also the money aspect. I'd never have bought a lot
of the stuff I've downloaded simply because I don't have the
money to spare. I have to buy stuff like food and clothes,
pay bills, etc. I still buy lots of music, including stuff
I'd downloaded if I love it (when I can find it and feel I
can afford it). Probably more than without the easy access
to mp3s. But not as much as I'd like.

I just love music.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:24 [#01816661]
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Let him take you on this journey of warm melodies and
fast
breakcore;




Attached picture

 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:26 [#01816663]
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It's in my Reaktor folder on slsk (the OSX version this
time)


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2006-01-11 16:27 [#01816665]
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I agree, that's what the article was talking about.


 

offline xceque on 2006-01-11 16:29 [#01816667]
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hurrah! we have concensus! too much mp3 is good, but even
more than too much is way too much! :D


 

offline xceque on 2006-01-11 16:31 [#01816668]
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though, having said that, I can't foresee a time when I'd
feel like I've heard too much dross that it numbs me to the
good stuff. but, as you say, maybe that's the point and I
can't see it until it happens. I'm happy though until it
does.


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-01-12 08:18 [#01817003]
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It's so true.

As the music lover I am, I like to own the music I really
love. In contrary to a lot of people in my environment..
some of them haven't bought a single release in years cause
they can download it.

I'm not saying that I don't download music, I do... even a
lot but I just can't effort more than I buy already.


 

online big from lsg on 2006-01-12 09:20 [#01817048]
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i just wanna say i always hated music stores
i guess buying cds online is the best, with the added
waiting and all
it's how i got the rdj album, that can't be a coincidence


 

online big from lsg on 2006-01-12 09:27 [#01817059]
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things chance, alot of 20+ people aren't justified to their
opinion it's for the future generations to figure out how
things are going to be and should be
maybe in 100 years people will have attention spans of 1
second


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2006-01-12 09:36 [#01817071]
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true, i didn't read the article, i was reacting to points
that people addressed in the thread. but i'm sure d_b hit
the nail on the head when he said that the article was
yesterday's news...


 

online big from lsg on 2006-01-12 09:39 [#01817074]
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oh right, the article, must read article
*opens another thread


 

online big from lsg on 2006-01-12 09:53 [#01817087]
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With the advent of the internet and MP3 players, which play
downloaded material, music has become a soundtrack to
everyday life, rather than something life-changing and
special, continued Dr North.

but hasn't the majority of the general audiance not always
been just radiolisteners?
is it not true that these people always just bought a few
records a year and that this hasn't changed maybe?
is it not true therefor that only the "connaisseurs" have
been affected by the downloading?
will this last problem not be resolved soon, as this thread
shows that these "connaiseurs" are very aware of the
problem?

The findings could explain the popularity of TV talent
shows such as X-Factor and Fame Academy, which give viewers
a rare chance to engage and appreciate music and live
performance that is missing for today's "iPod generation",
he said.

doesn't this article propagate going to live performances?
shouldn't live performances therefor not be so crap
expensive?
isn't it filthy propaganda by the music industry that sales
of cds have been going down because of downloading instead
of up and that live performancws are therefor so expensive
to compensate?


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2006-01-12 10:08 [#01817095]
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in related news, psychologists have determined through
rigorous study that individuals are likely to "not know what
they got," until what they "got" is gone.

having read the article, i was surprised at just how obvious
and redundant it was.




 

online big from lsg on 2006-01-12 11:02 [#01817133]
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no that's not true, there is a difference between what you
think is true and scientifically proven things


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2006-01-12 11:25 [#01817164]
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what makes you think that i think this is true?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2006-01-12 11:35 [#01817179]
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When I was younger and poor I used to only be able to afford
at most an album a month. These albums became the
soundtrack to my life and I formed emotional attachments to
the music. When I got net access it opened everything up
for me. Even to this day I spend most of my day every day
listening to music but try to have a conversation with
someone, even just recommending something different, and you
are met with something like this:

Me:
"I got this new album called insen by alva noto and ryuichi
sakamoto you should have a listen" - an offer to lend the CD
to them.

Them:
"I've got 60gig worth of music"

Me:
"Yeah? Anything good?"

Them:
"It's just a mix of everything"

People listening to what they getting. They hear one song
they likeby someone and download their entire back catalogue
but continue to only listen to that one song.

It's stupid.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2006-01-12 11:40 [#01817184]
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Thats absolutely true.

I've seen that in myself. When i first bought the RDJ album
before joining here i listened to it tons. Thought it was
great but wasnt sure how to learn more. Came here and the
level of information on the internet was astounding.

I became like a greedy child "gimmie gimmie gimmie" while
frantically downloading absolutely everything so i could
here as much music as i possibly could.

It wasnt fruitful. Now i can go back to an album years later
and its like i have never heard it. I am more selective with
what i listened to. I was too weak to the temptations of the
internet where loads of pirated information is readily
available at highspeed access.

I learn more when i take my time. The sensory overload from
long ago has taught me that i will get nothing out of it.
What you say is indeed true and i can attest to it.


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-01-12 11:40 [#01817185]
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This is all baby boomer bullshit. "These kids today...."
There's always been people who love music and those who were
never really arsed. I have loads of mates who seek out music
on the net they're passionate about, and listen to whole
albums. This is just another way for all the old fucks to
say: "Anyone born after 1975 is a useless retard."


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-12 11:45 [#01817188]
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I think quite the opposite, EVERYBODY born after 1975 is
vibrant, creative, passionate and fucking standard!


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-01-12 11:46 [#01817190]
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straw man


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-12 14:50 [#01817468]
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...

"Lush minimal melodies, Faux-analogue phatness and
hyper-complex yet danceable beats combine to make this the
"must download" release of these 5 minutes."

"The label hasn't been around for more than 1 hour and we've
already got our first release."

"Rest assured, all artists on BAM IN YOUR CUNT RECORDS! have
gargantuan cocks. That's a fact and you can sell it."

"VERITY FAIRWEATHER APPROVED."

"I have absolutely fuck all idea who this person is. I just
got an e-mail."

"VISIONARIES are a mystery artist just for you on BAM IN
YOUR CUNT RECORDS!

these guy are in a league of their own. "


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-13 20:25 [#01818483]
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Gingin's really got to include the phrase "zwischen Beats
und anspruchsvollen Instrumentalen" somewhere on BIYC. Where
the hell are Friday's promised releaes? I bet he's having
sex and forgotten about his goddamn proper job as The
Saviour of Electronic Music.


 


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