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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-11 15:54 [#01816636]
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I read the article but it's like reading a news flash that says the world is round or that farts smell. I know already.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:02 [#01816641]
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469 netlabels
Those are netlabels, not "bands" (e.g., one guy with a cracked copy of Reason) or releases.
Netlabels.
Jeesus.
Since I joined Emusic I download tons of great albums and hardly take the time to appreciate them. Combine that with all the sharity sites providing great exotica and those fucking netlabels, and everyone and his doberman yousending or rapdisharing a track here and a track here, and I'm starting to actually dislike music.
Did I mention all the myspace, 15megs of fame, zebox and etc. sites?
It's become a job to weed through it, like having a completely full stomach but being asked to keep tasting and judging dishes from buffet after buffet.
This is why wine tasters spit out the wine.
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xceque
on 2006-01-11 16:06 [#01816645]
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Easily accessed tunes mean many music lovers are no longer excited at discovering and playing unfamiliar work
I think this isn't true, at least not for me, though I can see how it could be for others. Easy access to music gives me so much more scope of material to appreciate. While I may come across a lot more fairly-good or just-mediocre music I also find more really good music simple because there is more of all types.
Easy access to music probably does makes you relax the importance of serious consideration about which music you get, so your choices are less well thought out and perhaps that perception of having to enjoy or appreciate something more because "I've bloody well paid for it so I'm bloody well going to learn to like it". I don't know if this is a good thing or not.
The sort of people who think of music as a casual incidental thing - just decoration - will see the boom in mp3 sharing and iPods as an all-you-can-eat candy floss bonanza, but those for whom music is important will always find things that excite them.
Without all this mp3 lark I'd never have discovered the likes of Muslimgauze and CoH, to name but two. And I really like them.
Maybe I'm just a glass-is-half-full guy.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-11 16:07 [#01816646]
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OH ... that link... that link.. EXCELLENT, the motherlode. It's like pietrobot just shat in my brain.
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xceque
on 2006-01-11 16:08 [#01816647]
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I wonder how many people even care that I typed all that.
ps, para 2: simple = simply.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:08 [#01816648]
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Your assignment is to download and evaluate all 666,666,666 tracks.
Good luck, soldier.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-01-11 16:14 [#01816650]
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You are one of the good guys though. When I look for a track I can't buy or want to hear and try and download it, I need to wade my way through a loveless load of mp3 collecting toss that makes me sad. Not too dissimilar from standing on the end of a railway track jotting down numbers of trains, there are people on those trains.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:15 [#01816651]
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I also have discovered dozens of amazing musicians because of the net. But do I enjoy them less than I would have if I had discovered only three or four of them without having my senses dulled by wading through the iShit filled eCesspool to get to them?
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Bob Mcbob
on 2006-01-11 16:15 [#01816652]
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I never ever download. i get all my music from shops, or ebay, or people i know. a while ago some people i know on the net had made some songs that they wanted my opinion on, so i asked them to burn the songs to cd and post them to me, and they did. downloading may be a great way to find otherwise hard-to-find music, but theres still plenty of relatively easy to find music out there i havent heard yet, and given the slow rate at which i buy music/the rate artists make music, there will probably never be a need for me to download. and the 'what if i buy a cd and hate it?' aspect is all part of the fun.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-11 16:16 [#01816653]
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Random quotes from net labels
Let him take you on this journey of warm melodies and fast breakcore;
After discovering electronic music around 1992, he dropped the mic and began focusing on ambient tracks with abstract beats.
we'd like to introduce you to the newest addition to the demux roster: space disease.
In the meantime you may consider shopping the chump 'n run compilation with mixes by Digitalis and Scott Delgado (a mysterious thinner act hiding behind) via finetunes.net by clicking here!
In the course of February the webradio station Shouted.FM mth.Electro will broadcast a 5 hour Zerinnerung special
zwischen Beats und anspruchsvollen Instrumentalen
There's coming on thirty (30) releases now. Some are available online for nowt, others are forthcoming, and others will never surface for uh pragmatic reasons.
To travel in space, to discover new galaxies ... but which musics will have to take along with them the spationauts of the future ??? Perhaps DELAYSCAPE with his new 6 analogic-tracks EP ...
It is november and we wan't to invite you to a tea break with Philipp Weigl and his new musical impressions "Silently Moving". We hope you enjoy the november and won't stop drinking tea.
He produced the track 'Kimension Drums' for the DRUM SONG SOURCE CODES EP (JTREP02).
Check out Parmon's homepage for THREE more versions of the track
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:16 [#01816654]
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Did you ever get that R5 upgrade for Mac?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-01-11 16:19 [#01816657]
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No! I rang them up and they said it downloads okay using my password. It's some firewall thing hopefully. My mate hopefully is downloading it.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-01-11 16:22 [#01816658]
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HaHa!! 'a 5 hour Zerinnerung special' Jesus wept!
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xceque
on 2006-01-11 16:22 [#01816659]
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I can see your point, but I think it's a case of how much music you've heard, how much you get involved in file-sharing, etc... outlook is influenced by degrees of experience. You've almost certainly heard much more music than me so perhaps have more reason to feel more jaded.
There's also the money aspect. I'd never have bought a lot of the stuff I've downloaded simply because I don't have the money to spare. I have to buy stuff like food and clothes, pay bills, etc. I still buy lots of music, including stuff I'd downloaded if I love it (when I can find it and feel I can afford it). Probably more than without the easy access to mp3s. But not as much as I'd like.
I just love music.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:24 [#01816661]
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Let him take you on this journey of warm melodies and fast
breakcore;
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-11 16:26 [#01816663]
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It's in my Reaktor folder on slsk (the OSX version this time)
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-01-11 16:27 [#01816665]
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I agree, that's what the article was talking about.
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xceque
on 2006-01-11 16:29 [#01816667]
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hurrah! we have concensus! too much mp3 is good, but even more than too much is way too much! :D
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xceque
on 2006-01-11 16:31 [#01816668]
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though, having said that, I can't foresee a time when I'd feel like I've heard too much dross that it numbs me to the good stuff. but, as you say, maybe that's the point and I can't see it until it happens. I'm happy though until it does.
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-01-12 08:18 [#01817003]
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It's so true.
As the music lover I am, I like to own the music I really love. In contrary to a lot of people in my environment.. some of them haven't bought a single release in years cause they can download it.
I'm not saying that I don't download music, I do... even a lot but I just can't effort more than I buy already.
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big
from lsg on 2006-01-12 09:20 [#01817048]
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i just wanna say i always hated music stores i guess buying cds online is the best, with the added waiting and all
it's how i got the rdj album, that can't be a coincidence
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big
from lsg on 2006-01-12 09:27 [#01817059]
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things chance, alot of 20+ people aren't justified to their opinion it's for the future generations to figure out how things are going to be and should be
maybe in 100 years people will have attention spans of 1 second
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-12 09:36 [#01817071]
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true, i didn't read the article, i was reacting to points that people addressed in the thread. but i'm sure d_b hit the nail on the head when he said that the article was yesterday's news...
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big
from lsg on 2006-01-12 09:39 [#01817074]
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oh right, the article, must read article *opens another thread
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big
from lsg on 2006-01-12 09:53 [#01817087]
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With the advent of the internet and MP3 players, which play downloaded material, music has become a soundtrack to everyday life, rather than something life-changing and special, continued Dr North.
but hasn't the majority of the general audiance not always been just radiolisteners?
is it not true that these people always just bought a few records a year and that this hasn't changed maybe?
is it not true therefor that only the "connaisseurs" have been affected by the downloading?
will this last problem not be resolved soon, as this thread shows that these "connaiseurs" are very aware of the problem?
The findings could explain the popularity of TV talent shows such as X-Factor and Fame Academy, which give viewers a rare chance to engage and appreciate music and live performance that is missing for today's "iPod generation", he said.
doesn't this article propagate going to live performances? shouldn't live performances therefor not be so crap expensive?
isn't it filthy propaganda by the music industry that sales of cds have been going down because of downloading instead of up and that live performancws are therefor so expensive to compensate?
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-12 10:08 [#01817095]
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in related news, psychologists have determined through rigorous study that individuals are likely to "not know what they got," until what they "got" is gone.
having read the article, i was surprised at just how obvious and redundant it was.
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big
from lsg on 2006-01-12 11:02 [#01817133]
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no that's not true, there is a difference between what you think is true and scientifically proven things
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-12 11:25 [#01817164]
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what makes you think that i think this is true?
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ecnadniarb
on 2006-01-12 11:35 [#01817179]
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When I was younger and poor I used to only be able to afford at most an album a month. These albums became the soundtrack to my life and I formed emotional attachments to the music. When I got net access it opened everything up for me. Even to this day I spend most of my day every day listening to music but try to have a conversation with someone, even just recommending something different, and you are met with something like this:
Me: "I got this new album called insen by alva noto and ryuichi sakamoto you should have a listen" - an offer to lend the CD to them.
Them: "I've got 60gig worth of music"
Me: "Yeah? Anything good?"
Them: "It's just a mix of everything"
People listening to what they getting. They hear one song they likeby someone and download their entire back catalogue but continue to only listen to that one song.
It's stupid.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2006-01-12 11:40 [#01817184]
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Thats absolutely true.
I've seen that in myself. When i first bought the RDJ album before joining here i listened to it tons. Thought it was great but wasnt sure how to learn more. Came here and the level of information on the internet was astounding.
I became like a greedy child "gimmie gimmie gimmie" while frantically downloading absolutely everything so i could here as much music as i possibly could.
It wasnt fruitful. Now i can go back to an album years later and its like i have never heard it. I am more selective with what i listened to. I was too weak to the temptations of the internet where loads of pirated information is readily available at highspeed access.
I learn more when i take my time. The sensory overload from long ago has taught me that i will get nothing out of it. What you say is indeed true and i can attest to it.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-01-12 11:40 [#01817185]
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This is all baby boomer bullshit. "These kids today...." There's always been people who love music and those who were never really arsed. I have loads of mates who seek out music on the net they're passionate about, and listen to whole albums. This is just another way for all the old fucks to say: "Anyone born after 1975 is a useless retard."
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-12 11:45 [#01817188]
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I think quite the opposite, EVERYBODY born after 1975 is vibrant, creative, passionate and fucking standard!
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-01-12 11:46 [#01817190]
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straw man
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-12 14:50 [#01817468]
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...
"Lush minimal melodies, Faux-analogue phatness and hyper-complex yet danceable beats combine to make this the "must download" release of these 5 minutes."
"The label hasn't been around for more than 1 hour and we've already got our first release."
"Rest assured, all artists on BAM IN YOUR CUNT RECORDS! have gargantuan cocks. That's a fact and you can sell it."
"VERITY FAIRWEATHER APPROVED."
"I have absolutely fuck all idea who this person is. I just got an e-mail."
"VISIONARIES are a mystery artist just for you on BAM IN YOUR CUNT RECORDS!
these guy are in a league of their own. "
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-13 20:25 [#01818483]
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Gingin's really got to include the phrase "zwischen Beats und anspruchsvollen Instrumentalen" somewhere on BIYC. Where the hell are Friday's promised releaes? I bet he's having sex and forgotten about his goddamn proper job as The Saviour of Electronic Music.
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