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           oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2005-12-25 10:42 [#01806733]
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 I don't know why but I don't trust Steven Harper. After  reading all that "IMAGE MAKE OVER" junk about him last year,  and after he crumbled to the whims of America (after Jean  Chretien called G.Bush a moron and appologized on behalf of  all of Canada(, it just seems like the guy is completely  evil. I mean look how he is getting votes. He is being very  clever on how he words everything.
 
  Like not to be all typical anti USA government, and I don't  usually care about politics, but I really don't trust this  guy.
 
  NO gay marrage NO abortions MORE weapons for our army
  It makes no sense. NONE. The guy is being sponsored himself  in advertising and publicists what a hipocrite to be talking  about ACCEPTING MONEY. WHO IS PAYING FOR HIS TV TIME?  PHOTOSHOOTS AND NEWS PAPER SPOTS? I just really wish the  "corner gas" voters would go a little bit further then  WATCHING CBC and find out the real information about him.
    I feel like they want to take away all of our rights, and  they keep refering to the sponsorship scandel to win votes.  Placing blame. It seems so backwards. 
 
  Can anyone shed light and help me think another way about  this? Or do you agree with what I am saying?
 
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           aron
             from saskatoon (Canada) on 2005-12-25 22:53 [#01806815]
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i totally agree with you man. steven harper is shifty as  fuck. it seems like he wants to make canada into america's  bitch or america#2 or something.... everytime i see him on  tv talking he's vague as fuck and i really have no idea what  his agenda is.... plus look at him, look in his eyes. he  looks dead, man. no emotion, nothing-he's like a robot.
  i dont trust him for one second.
 
  
         
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-12-26 01:51 [#01806819]
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Just think of how great it could be. Lower minimum wage for  any company selling products to the us. Military assistance  for the US in Irac. Word on the street is conscription is  the new rock and roll. 
 
  
         
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-12-26 01:52 [#01806820]
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In other words, you are 100% correct. This guy isn't even  using clever words. He is targetting to the lowest common  denominator and turning canadian politics into the wrestling  match that it is in the us. If he manages to get elected, I  will have lost my last shred of respect for this desparate  country. 
 
  
         
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           swears
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You lefty fucks need some free enterprise. Pull yourselves  up by the bootstraps! 
 
  
         
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           jenf
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           virginpusher
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           oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2005-12-26 16:37 [#01806989]
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So what should we do?
  Virginpusher: "ROLLING THUNDER!  ROLLING THUNDER!  ROLLING  THUNDER!  ROLLING THUNDERRRRRRRRR! " 
 
  
         
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           aron
             from saskatoon (Canada) on 2005-12-26 17:51 [#01806998]
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           chaosmachine
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           optimus prime
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           Ezkerraldean
             from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-27 02:15 [#01807068]
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 vote for the bloc quebecois! theyre probably anti-american
 
  
         
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           aron
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           Ezkerraldean
             from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-27 03:52 [#01807079]
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true, bloody quebecians
  do they want quebec independence as a party or is it just a  few hardline frenchies within the party?
 
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-12-27 04:32 [#01807087]
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Well, if we lived in quebec, then I could vote for them. But  I don't live in quebec. 
 
  I hear they are going to be supporting the liberals, and the  NDP are going to be supporting the conservatives, so I am  not going to vote for ndp or conservative. I guess its  liberal. Its too bad, because I wanted to vote green, but  that would be just as good as not voting and letting the  conservatives win :( 
 
  
         
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-12-27 04:34 [#01807088]
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They want independance, with the support of the canadian  banks. So pretty much, they want their own laws, their own  government, their own everything, but they want the support  of the canadian economy. Kind of stupid really, but they do  have more seats than any other province, and their votes  really count. Spoiled quebecouis. They get everything they  ask for (except independance). 
 
  
         
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           DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-12-27 14:56 [#01807377]
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why would the NDP support the conservatives? that makes no  sense at all.
 
  anyhow i will be voting for layton until further notice. 
 
  
         
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           ymenard
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I vote Bloc Québécois of course, it's the only way I can  vote.
 
  p.s.: Ezkerraldean yeah you better STFU next time.
  p.p.s.: Taxidermist you don't know much about the NA trade  laws or the globalisation movement.  We want open doors for  free trade between us and Canada.  Oh and Ontario has more  seats.  We aren't spoiled, we are tired of your assimilation  for centuries.  It just take time for us to do it. 
 
  
         
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-12-29 01:12 [#01808062]
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Admitedly, I don't know much about globalisation and NA  trade laws. But I was being sarcastic. 
 
  Although the fact that all products produced in canada need  to have both french and english labels on them, but products  sold in quebec only require french labels kind of indicate  that there is some unfairness there. As far as I am  concerned quebec can separate and become their own country.  I support anybodys political choice to whatever rights they  seem to think they want.
 
  PPS. You say assimilation and whatever, but the french  settlers came over here by choice. African settlers did not.  Natives did not have any choice in who settled here. Give  those groups what they want first. 
 
  
         
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           ymenard
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I'm sorry but they don't just require french labels.  They  are as bilingual as you guys have.
 
  Perhaps its those kind of things that will also make you  accept that our own sovereignty is there also to help YOU,  not only us.  Canada has no value anymore as it is  currently, the perequation is fucked up, money goes  everywhere unbalanced. 
 
  
         
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           oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2006-01-09 09:10 [#01814680]
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"When Reality Check called the Conservatives before  Christmas to inquire about the costs of their tax cuts, the  party's media representatives confirmed, on two occasions in  fact, that a Harper government would keep the reduction in  the tax bracket for low-income earners... Now, however, a  policy spokesman with the Conservative campaign called back  to say the party will be keeping the reduction only for the  2005 tax year should they assume office." (CBC.ca, January  5, 2006)
 
 
 
  
         
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           oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2006-01-09 09:12 [#01814684]
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I figured the NDP would be supporting the Torries, I mean  there are so many chances for them to take shots at Stalin  Harper but they don't.
 
  Yeah I never the duty to vote this much ever. I really don't  want that guy to win. 
 
  
         
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           oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2006-01-09 09:12 [#01814686]
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BAH  The board needs an edit function for those missing words and  grammer errors ! 
 
  
         
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           010101
             from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-01-09 10:29 [#01814762]
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I'm torn between the NDP and the Liberals. A vote for the  NDP gives the Conservitives more power and the Liberals have  yet to change anything.
 
  Jack Leyton has been making a lot of sense recently. Harper  should be sent back to the middle ages where he belongs and  Paul Martin is just the lesser of two evils. 
 
  
         
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           DeadEight
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if in fact the NDP does end up supporting the conservatives  and they govern together, Layton either keeps Harper  somewhat in check or the union dissolves pretty quickly. i'm  growing more and more indifferent as to whether the  conservatives or the liberals win, because when it comes to  a lot of nitty gritty policy both parties seem quite  pragmatic, which is to say some times the tories seem more  left than the liberals and vice versa.  i think a more  sincere left (a loaded description, i know) is on the rise,  and i'd like to be a part of that, regardless of whether we  win now... as it becomes more and more clear to voters that  there are legitimate alternatives to voting PC or liberal,  they will be more likely to vote for them without thinking  they are throwing their vote away. you've got to build from  something, and i guess the terrain is sufficiently unstable  enough that i'm not to worried about the big guys having  sufficient control of the country for long enough to fuck it  up badly either way.  
 
  
         
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-01-10 01:58 [#01815152]
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Well, I would agree with you for the most part, except that  the conservatives would make things pretty messy, not out of  stupidity or spite or anything, but out of fear. Especially  right now, when the international image is extremely  important due to the way things are in the US, if the  conservatives get into power and appear to side to much for  or against the US, then that will through things out of  whack even more internationally. Taking into account that  harpers and bushes political stature run a parallel course,  I could see this getting very very messy for canada. 
 
  
         
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           swears
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I hope the right-wing fella wins.
 
  
         
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-01-10 12:45 [#01815567]
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           swears
             from junk sleep on 2006-01-10 12:48 [#01815571]
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-01-10 13:04 [#01815581]
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Ok. Well, you have fun with that.
 
  
         
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           bryce_berny
             from chronno (Canada) on 2006-01-10 15:14 [#01815709]
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very rarely do people live in truly mixed ridings the vote for your MP is probably between the ndp/liberals or  conservatives/liberals
  if you live in an ndp/liberal battle zone, a vote for the  ndp will not help the conservatives, since they would not  have had a chance anyway (usually)
 
  just remember what you'll be seeing on every corner if you  vote ndp: public heroin injection sites
 
 
 
  
         
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           DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2006-01-10 20:08 [#01815870]
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and lots of gayboys packing the fudge at every bus stop...  oh and don't forget people getting married to their pet  turtles...  
 
  
         
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           r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2006-01-10 20:22 [#01815876]
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don't believe that bullshit about strategic voting.  vote  your conscience.
 
  like in america, we had Bush vs Kerry and people thought  they were beating the system by voting Kerry just so  somebody besides bush would win.  well, guess what?  those  people lost.  and they've got nothing to show for it except  they can live with the fact they voted for a shit candidate  they didn't really believe in. 
 
  
         
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-01-10 23:53 [#01815910]
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I would see that as being a better thing than a worse thing.  Nothing says awesome like someone who breaks into a car to  steal stuff to get money for heroin, then buying that heroin  on the street in front of businesses and families that are  walking around, and then shooting up in a totally public  area. If they make it controled instead of illegal, it helps  eliminate all three of those problems.  
 
  
         
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           oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2006-01-24 08:37 [#01825988]
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FUCK. HE WON.
 
 
  
         
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           fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-24 08:46 [#01825996]
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Thank God, now we can finally end this nightmare of freedom,  prosperity and budget surpluses. 
 
  
         
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           chaosmachine
             from Ottawa (Canada) on 2006-01-24 10:17 [#01826056]
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i voted green. :)
 
  
         
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           010101
             from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-01-24 10:56 [#01826082]
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           010101
             from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-01-24 10:58 [#01826084]
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           Ezkerraldean
             from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-24 11:04 [#01826095]
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dammit, tories. dont like canada anymore
 
  
         
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           010101
             from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-01-24 11:09 [#01826101]
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-01-24 11:13 [#01826104]
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Well, I voted liberal, and luckily my district voted liberal  too. But I can't believe that in a time when things are  supposed to be progressing, canada votes in the one party  that is going to make things worse. 
 
  Think about it: the liberals had a bit of a scandal, and  some money went missing. Is that any worse than spending  money on militarizing the north? No. If the same ammount of  money was spent on both, I would be equaly pissed. But then,  I also want to see as little military presence as possible  in canada.  So I am double pissed. 
 
  
         
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           corrupted-girl
             on 2006-01-24 12:01 [#01826156]
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           010101
             from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-01-24 12:10 [#01826164]
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I voted NDP, specifically for Sven Robinson.
  If a guy can get away with stealing a Diamond ring and still  represent his party. I want that man representing me! 
 
  
         
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           Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-01-24 12:32 [#01826178]
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LOL...
  I like that logic.
  I think they should make a not section on the next election.  For every Not Conservative ballot recieved, that is  one vote to any party that comes in second to the  conservitaves. 
 
  Aren't you on the island? Isn't sven robinson in vancouver  main? 
 
  
         
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           magicant
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Harper will not touch abortion. He will put same-sex  marriage to a free vote in Parliament - the way it's  supposed to be done. And, in my opinion, a strong military  is beneficial to the country. 
 
  
         
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           fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-24 18:16 [#01826482]
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Pffft. Then let him put heterosexual marriage to a vote as  well, and if it doesn't pass let heterosexual marriage be  banned.
 
  Does that sound fair?
 
  
         
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           DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2006-01-24 21:20 [#01826560]
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they have no real partner, so we should be okay. 
 
 
  
         
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           corrupted-girl
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           DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2006-01-24 21:52 [#01826565]
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