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when i cant get the bpm for a track...
 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2005-05-05 12:39 [#01588149]
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in Traktor sometimes I have found tracks that I can't for
the life of me get a confident bpm worked out.

I've taken to using the method for finding the BPM I think
someone on here mentioned where you find a clear beat at the
start and put a beat marker on it and then play the track
through fiddling with the + and - buttons in Edit BPM to get
the beat lines to be on point the whole way through.

Some tracks, namely a few Doors (Hyacinth House and Been
Down So Long) songs and just now Jack Mayborn - Music People
seem to be okay but just drift away from the beat markers
and when I fix it at one end of the song its all off kilter
back at the start... is it just crappy timing by the
musicians? I would have thought I would have noticed if the
drummer slowed down or something.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-05-05 12:46 [#01588171]
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There's a few Beach Boys songs that drift off too :(


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2005-05-05 12:48 [#01588177]
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It's a right cunt. I think it's hard to notice exactly when
something slows a bit, or drifts slightly out of time for no
apparent reason, but i think that's the reason behind a lot
of these troubles. Try mixing dub with anything other than
dub, it's a nightmare.


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2005-05-05 13:19 [#01588242]
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Fuck. I was hoping there was a clever xltronick way of
solving this.

I was trying to do a mix that went through Zero 7 and Death
In Vegas into some older music like The Beatles and The
Doors but it's really not working.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-05-05 13:36 [#01588275]
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You could take 1 bar of each and see how long each is. Then
you can see the % difference and change accordingly.


 

offline mark from out of town on 2005-05-05 13:44 [#01588285]
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Live music often has a subtly variable tempo, unless it was
recorded in the studio with a click track.


 

offline mark from out of town on 2005-05-05 13:46 [#01588290]
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machines never fail


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2005-05-05 13:48 [#01588294]
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GI Ginger knows the score. If you can be bothered messing
about directly with the wavs, then i suppose you could
timestretch every 4 bars or so to fit the other track. That
usually sorts it out, but it's a bit of a faff if you're not
used to it.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-05-05 14:06 [#01588316]
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For a more live approach, you could use the tap-function in
Traktor to lock on to the new BPM, or just nudge the tempo
to accomodate the changes.

Generally, mixing tracks without drummachines (or
tape-edited drummachine tracks) is a bitch.


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2005-05-05 19:40 [#01588764]
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Is Xmd5a a bit of a bitch for anyone else too? Seems to me
like it speeds up a fair bit during the big middle part with
no drums


 

offline pomme de terre from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-05-05 19:53 [#01588770]
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Yes exactly.

Dannn_..you can run micro edits on the track to match it to
a bpm then mix it back into the set, that would work if you
have the patience.


 


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