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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2005-05-05 12:39 [#01588149]
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in Traktor sometimes I have found tracks that I can't for the life of me get a confident bpm worked out.
I've taken to using the method for finding the BPM I think someone on here mentioned where you find a clear beat at the start and put a beat marker on it and then play the track through fiddling with the + and - buttons in Edit BPM to get the beat lines to be on point the whole way through.
Some tracks, namely a few Doors (Hyacinth House and Been Down So Long) songs and just now Jack Mayborn - Music People seem to be okay but just drift away from the beat markers and when I fix it at one end of the song its all off kilter back at the start... is it just crappy timing by the musicians? I would have thought I would have noticed if the drummer slowed down or something.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-05-05 12:46 [#01588171]
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There's a few Beach Boys songs that drift off too :(
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2005-05-05 12:48 [#01588177]
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It's a right cunt. I think it's hard to notice exactly when something slows a bit, or drifts slightly out of time for no apparent reason, but i think that's the reason behind a lot of these troubles. Try mixing dub with anything other than dub, it's a nightmare.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2005-05-05 13:19 [#01588242]
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Fuck. I was hoping there was a clever xltronick way of solving this.
I was trying to do a mix that went through Zero 7 and Death In Vegas into some older music like The Beatles and The Doors but it's really not working.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-05-05 13:36 [#01588275]
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You could take 1 bar of each and see how long each is. Then you can see the % difference and change accordingly.
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mark
from out of town on 2005-05-05 13:44 [#01588285]
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Live music often has a subtly variable tempo, unless it was recorded in the studio with a click track.
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mark
from out of town on 2005-05-05 13:46 [#01588290]
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machines never fail
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2005-05-05 13:48 [#01588294]
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GI Ginger knows the score. If you can be bothered messing about directly with the wavs, then i suppose you could timestretch every 4 bars or so to fit the other track. That usually sorts it out, but it's a bit of a faff if you're not used to it.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-05-05 14:06 [#01588316]
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For a more live approach, you could use the tap-function in Traktor to lock on to the new BPM, or just nudge the tempo to accomodate the changes.
Generally, mixing tracks without drummachines (or tape-edited drummachine tracks) is a bitch.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2005-05-05 19:40 [#01588764]
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Is Xmd5a a bit of a bitch for anyone else too? Seems to me like it speeds up a fair bit during the big middle part with no drums
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-05-05 19:53 [#01588770]
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Yes exactly.
Dannn_..you can run micro edits on the track to match it to a bpm then mix it back into the set, that would work if you have the patience.
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