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offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 07:46 [#01533565]
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and they clearly have no idea about what are they talking
about..i mean they know a few popular bands and they think
they know all about it. im not saying i know a lot, but to
listen/read to stuff some people say/write makes me quite
mad.

how do you feel about people like that? and people like me?
:D


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-03-15 07:49 [#01533567]
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Yes, kids who think "alternative music" begins and ends
within the covers of NME get on my nerves the most.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-15 07:50 [#01533572]
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they don't bother me unless they're drunk... once they
start yelling in my face about the quality musicianship of
sum 41, i generally want to leave the conversation.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2005-03-15 07:50 [#01533573]
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People like that should be lined up and shot.
People like you are awesome, yet should work on tolerance.

I dunno to be honest, most people annoy me anyway.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2005-03-15 07:52 [#01533577]
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Yes i hate kids.


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offline Bob Mcbob on 2005-03-15 07:54 [#01533579]
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youve got a point, but there are also people who know
too much, you feel like you cant talk to them about
music because they are into really obscure records and
artists you havent heard of...its like you say 'i really
love this record' and they say 'ive heard it and i have 10
records of the same genre that are better'...


 

offline hobbes from age on 2005-03-15 07:54 [#01533580]
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After a few thoughts it has struck me that tolstoyed is most
probably very tolerant. In fact he must be.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 07:54 [#01533581]
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"People like that should be lined up and shot" - "yet should
work on tolerance." ..setting an example?


 

offline hobbes from age on 2005-03-15 07:55 [#01533582]
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As always.


 

offline Chihiro from twins land on 2005-03-15 07:56 [#01533583]
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i don't even bother reading most of the cirtics to be
honnest...
When people TALK about music to me. Well, it can turn into
nice arguments from time to time. :)


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 07:56 [#01533584]
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yes, i like those people a lot, i love to listen to their
recommendations and other music related stories.

hobbes, why would you think im tolerant? :)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-03-15 07:57 [#01533589]
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I refer to them as "kids", because they tend ot be first
year university students who think they're oh-so-enlightened
and that I, as an older "working stiff", cannot begin to
comprehend the genius of Keen or Razorlight.


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-03-15 07:58 [#01533590]
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I get a chill down my spine when someone new asks "so, what
kind of music are you into?". I dare say "IDM" because
that's followed by "oh, what does that stand for?" I usually
just settle for saying "electronic music" and even then it
makes me sound like a total geek. People piss me off quite a
lot actually.
I have quite a few friends who are into indie music. I
actually hate indie music to a major extent so it does
create quite a void as quite a big part of me is about
music. What's also sad about this is that they think that
their indie music is "underground" or whatever when it
really isn't. Personally I think if it's popular then it
can't be "underground". ARGH, I hate people who make
judgements so quickly based on me saying "electronic music"
None of them have even listened to 'IDM' and even if I play
some to them they're like "nahhh nahhh" before they've even
had a chance to listen. They think they know my music when
they don't!


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 07:59 [#01533591]
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the best way is to not be smart about something if you're
not really familiar with it imo :)



 

offline hobbes from age on 2005-03-15 07:59 [#01533592]
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Sure, i see what you mean, osmet thing just happened to
cross my mind for some reason.


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2005-03-15 08:00 [#01533593]
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indie/emo/skate-punk thats all popular these days isnt
underground, its a deviant on mainstream culture.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 08:00 [#01533594]
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they listen but they don't hear it :) i know what you mean,i
don't bother with that anymore really..


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2005-03-15 08:00 [#01533595]
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whats really annoying though is when someone says they love
all these crap bands, then you mention aphex, and they are
like 'yeah i heard him, come to daddy was ok, but hes still
crap'...somehow a blink182 fan living in ignorance of aphex
is better than a blink182 fan who has heard idm and hates
it...


 

offline Sire from the depths (Finland) on 2005-03-15 08:00 [#01533596]
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Hmm. I'm not sure if it's possible to know too much about a
subject (well, this is debatable, as ignorance can be bliss
;)) ..Now the person who knows those 10 records that are
better can probably give you really good pointers on where
to look next?

Many people who know a bit more about a subject can become
difficult to approach not because of the amount of knowledge
they have but rather because of the importance they think
should be attributed to them through this knowledge. Also
called wankers


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-15 08:00 [#01533597]
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it's not even a deviant - it IS mainstream culture.


 

offline hobbes from age on 2005-03-15 08:00 [#01533598]
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Totally, i hate those above all, especially if they are
"trendy".


 

offline Chihiro from twins land on 2005-03-15 08:01 [#01533599]
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Yeah... Definitely. :)

"These are usually called: "know it alls"" :)


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 08:01 [#01533600]
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but so are aphex twin, autechre and boc don't you think? im
not really too concerned with what's popular and what
isn't..as long as it's good..


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-15 08:01 [#01533602]
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actually, people like that really do irritate me... that's
very annoying indeed.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-03-15 08:02 [#01533603]
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That's the problem, they like music that's marketed
as being "underground", when really it's "mainstream for
angsty teenagers who need to grow up".

I like the new greenday album, but the difference is I
rightly see it as "alternative pop music" rather than real
"underground" music.


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2005-03-15 08:03 [#01533605]
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yeah i always end up describing my music as 'dance music', i
just know people think im listening to trance or something,
but i can never seem to be able to describe idm without
sounding pretentious or condescending...


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 08:03 [#01533606]
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yes, those are perhaps even worse than those who pretend to
know it all :)


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-03-15 08:04 [#01533608]
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yeah, like even for me I'm still maturing in appreciating
music. Like I used to listen to abacus 2 quite a bit when I
first got the promo. I listened to it the other day and only
then realised how amazing the beats are. Now when I listen
to indie music I listen out for 'good bits' or whatever but
can never hear anything worth appreciating. Even the beats
are all mushed together and EQd too quietly!


 

offline Chihiro from twins land on 2005-03-15 08:05 [#01533609]
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the only thing i can talk in a smart way about is POOH...
And Video Games... (Ohh.. and airplanes...) :D

But whatever the subject... i think it's always better to
stay modest.


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2005-03-15 08:06 [#01533611]
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chihiro i want to give you a big hug!


 

offline Sire from the depths (Finland) on 2005-03-15 08:08 [#01533615]
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I just tell people "Music with beats" as often this seems to
be a good way to distinguish between melody driven rock
derivative stuff or trance and hip hop and more interesting
forms of electronic stuff.. Then again it doesn't really
describe the full width of my musical tastes but it doesn't
need to - people wouldn't understand :)


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 08:09 [#01533617]
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im not sure about the term indie, but i think i like that
sort of music :)

i can confirm that chihiro knows a lot about airplanes (i'll
try and avoid them in the future as much as possible).


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 08:10 [#01533618]
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i don't really explain to people what i listen to..if they
ask i say i'll listen to anything good, and if they want me
to be more specific i just name a few various genres and
they're usually satisfied :)


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-03-15 08:13 [#01533624]
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One of my best frriends is rreally 'into music'. Orr in
otherr worrds rreally into the NME. It's drreadful trrying
to talk to him, not because i know it all orr that I'm any
betterr than he is, but trry talking about any band that in
his own worrds 'doesn't fit his image', is worrthless.


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2005-03-15 08:14 [#01533625]
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if someone told me they liked music with beats, i would
assume they are talking about hip hop or rap...

another annoying thing is when someone is playing a garage
track and says 'i love this bassline'...to me they all sound
exactly the same, certainly no one track has a better
bassline then any others...this was actually part of
commercial on the BBC for one of their radio stations or
something, a man put on a garage track and someone said
'this bassline is wikkid'..no its not you dumbass!


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-03-15 08:14 [#01533627]
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the killers, franz ferdinand, kings of leon, the zutons,
kaiser chief

recognise any of those?


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-15 08:15 [#01533628]
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even worse than telling people you like IDM: telling them
you listen to punk rock, because they normally assume you
listen to blink-182 and shit like that. so you have to be
specific and the as you explain that you listen to original
punk from the mid-late 70's and hardcore from the early
80's, their nodding becomes increasingly subtle and their
smile more agitated and finally they just want to rip out
your music snob throat just to make the foul, confusing,
boring sounds stop.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 08:20 [#01533638]
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haha, blink 182 is concidered to be punl culture for the
younsters today..how awful does that sound :)

razorblade, i know of franz ferdinand (i don't think i've
heard any of their songs though), and i like the killers and
kings of leon quite a bit :)


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 08:20 [#01533639]
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im starting to miss out letters..sorry.


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2005-03-15 08:23 [#01533642]
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Chrismas day, your parents tell you 'i know you like music,
so we bought you some music cds.' after hearing those words
youre filled with dread as you take the wrapping paper off
the cds...'wow um thanks, i uh really like usher a lot...and
kylie too? youre really spoiling me'...


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-03-15 08:23 [#01533643]
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i think we all think too much.


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-03-15 08:24 [#01533644]
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I admit I have a liking for the voice of the lead singer of
'kings of leon'


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2005-03-15 08:24 [#01533645]
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thats what i meant, or i meaned to meant, is that its an
alternative mainstream


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-03-15 08:24 [#01533646]
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since i decided to embrrace being an idiot and stop all but
the most basic thinking, i've become much happierr.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2005-03-15 08:41 [#01533662]
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I think it's easier to mention bands or artists names rather
than a confusing genre label. Then, if the person knows the
artists you've mentioned they might be able to talk with you
sensibly, but if they've never heard of them there probably
is no point in pursuing a conversation about your taste in
music. And you can just sit back and switch off while they
bang on about some godawful marketing concept and lifestyle
accessory misleadingly sold under the name of music.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-03-15 08:44 [#01533664]
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sounds like a good strategy :)


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2005-03-15 08:49 [#01533670]
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yeah, i hate speaking to people about music except when they
are open to many genres. i hate it when people stick to one
genre like its their religion.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-15 08:55 [#01533672]
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here's my solution - just lie from now on. everytime you
meet someone new, do it just like this:

they'll say, "what kind of music do you listen to?"

i listen to whatever it is that you listen to.

"heh... what?"

i like every sound that has ever been made in the history of
the universe. which are your favorites?

"uh... madonna?"

madonna is my favorite music maker, by far. i love madonna
and every sound she has ever made, especially the ones that
you favor. she has revolutionized music in an important and
influential way.

"yeah, she's good i guess... uhh... i've got the new
prince album. have you hea---"

prince is the greatest artist ever in the history of
creation, including when he went by other,
harder-to-pronounce monikers, he is the best of all time and
i love his music with all my heart. he has revolutionized
music in an important and influential way.

"y-you're nuts, man. i'm out of here..."

i'm nuts all right. nuts about prince and the new
revolution. sheila e drives me crazy with pleasure!

"i hate you."

I LOVE THE SAME MUSIC YOU DO! LET'S BE FRIENDS!!!!


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2005-03-15 08:56 [#01533674]
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when people ask me what is idm, i ask them if they have
heard of the aphex twin. if they say yes, i can talk to them
about it further, but if they say no, then i just tell them
itll take too long to explain, and change the subject


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2005-03-15 08:56 [#01533675]
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we cant talk to you about music anymore? are you leaving the
board or do you mean people in general?


 


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