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theo himself
from +- on 2005-01-19 18:48 [#01467582]
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I've seen this a few times and I read the book up until the last 2-3 chapters.. but I've always been uncertain as to what happens .. or happens to alex .. at the end when he pulls that face.
did the gov't "take care of him" by rendering him braindead or in some sort of dreamstate.. or what? I dont know if this is something left to interpretation or if there was something that I missed by not reading the book's final chapters
eh?
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-01-19 18:50 [#01467583]
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he was cured. he could listen to beethoven and daydream about rape and whatnot without feeling ill.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2005-01-19 18:58 [#01467588]
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apparently you have only seen the us version. in the other one, alex grows up and lives in a house with a white picket fence and whatnot.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-01-19 19:05 [#01467601]
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ha!
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-01-19 19:06 [#01467603]
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it turns out it was all a dream.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-01-19 19:11 [#01467605]
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i am pleased you appreciate good wine... have another glass...
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-19 19:12 [#01467607]
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someone eats the orange then cracks their tooth on a cog
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-01-19 19:28 [#01467625]
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He is fully cured plus the government pays him well to keep quiet about the procedure. I wish it didn't show his dick though.
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tnavelerri
on 2005-01-19 19:30 [#01467628]
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Jack says to Tyler "My eyes are open" and shoots himself. Ohhh wait... no... scratch that.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-01-19 20:29 [#01467651]
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it's an ironic ending. he knows he's "cured" because the association with the music has made him feel ill again hence the paradoxical definition of being well as defined by the state has worked. he is now safe from being able to harm anyone due to the operand conditioning in the brainwashing. pavlov would be proud!
the extra bit at the end that is mentioned which is also in the book ruins the film.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-19 20:53 [#01467653]
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pavlov was classical condition im sure :P
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-01-19 20:58 [#01467656]
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both i think
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2005-01-19 21:00 [#01467657]
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thanks guys. i really wanted to see this.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-19 21:07 [#01467661]
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how old are you? you havent seen it?
:P
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2005-01-19 21:09 [#01467662]
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i've seen parts. i've never really been interested.
my previous post was in the interest of humor, although it was lacking quite a bit. :)
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-01-19 21:11 [#01467667]
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do what i did and get really stoned before you watch it for the first time. i hadn't a clue what the fuck was going on until about halfway through :) the dialogue is amazing.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2005-01-19 21:19 [#01467676]
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sounds like a night
although part of that activity is against a new years resolution of mine, and it's not the movie watching part. :)
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-19 21:29 [#01467684]
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self control, not self oppression!
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2005-01-20 03:59 [#01467857]
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oh is that right? i thought the movie was missing a whole chunk. how alex realises his purpose is to be a family man :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-20 04:09 [#01467872]
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the book originally was published in two versions too, if I remember correctly, with two different endings.
indeed one with him just continuing, the other with him wanting to start up a family.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2005-01-20 04:45 [#01467935]
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I read the one where he wanted to start a family and not hang around with the "guys" anymore. I thought he'd just grown up really. I like the film because I like anything with Malcolm McDowell in, all the classics "if...", "O Lucky Man", "The Passage", "Britannia Hospital", "Figures in a landscape", "Royal Flash"...... um "Blue Thunder".... "Class of 1999" and... um it goes downhill.... "Cyborg 3: The Recycler" etc
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-20 04:57 [#01467957]
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Hahaha!
I was thinking the same thing.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-01-20 06:54 [#01468081]
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i didn't really like seeing his neenur, but oh well i guess.
good flick, now ... does anyone care to knife scrap?
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-20 14:29 [#01468787]
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CALIGULA
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2005-01-20 14:37 [#01468802]
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And of course, the full-.on, extra porn version of Caligula. Sorely underrated, it is quite good. I still say "Dance, Little Boots" to this day.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-20 14:38 [#01468805]
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the first movie that was not a porn to feature anal fisting.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-20 15:08 [#01468873]
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At the end of the book, after the government cleans up the conditioning done to his head by the ludiveco stuff, he gets back to his old business with a new gang of droogs. Then he sees one of his old droogs, married with a carreer and such, and he decides to clean up his life.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2005-01-20 15:08 [#01468875]
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the last chapter of the book has Alex becoming a mature adult and sort of growing up and realizing that his previous life style is no good for him anymore.. i think he is sitting in the bar, and looking at some new lot of young ruffians and reflecting on his own life.
the whole point was, that Alex is not a machine, that he is able to change and make decisions for himself. that man should not be made into a 'clockwork orange' or in other words, an organic, living organism with mechanical laws applied to it.
great book, great movie!
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