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i've got to say, this would probably be a real issue if we were all exchanging major label material like metallica or fucking busted or something every second thread, but at the current rate, i can hardly say its enough to start banning people. especially when it involves music that is really hard to get a hold of otherwise. in fact, in some cases, its impossible. |
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JAroen is like always banned |
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on the contrary, i'd say... the small labels are suffering from this.... not the big ones. |
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exactly... he should know better. i think he knew it was coming... |
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i hate to repeat myself over and over again... but what you're doing OUTSIDE this messageboard is not of my business. go ahead and download anything you want, but this site is mainly built on trust... i'll probably lose all my contacts/channels/connections to the artists and labels if they know xltronic is hotlinking to commersial newly released mp3's.... that would spoil the whole thing and at least I would get bored if my inside connections was lost due to stupid actions from a stubborn member. note that we won't be strict on links to bootlegs and livematerial. it's all about common sense really ... i thought it was quite obvious that what jaroen was doing would result in something like this... why are you moaning about it? |
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we're not moaning about it; we just want clarification on the possible issues. things are clear now, thanks. |
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"we're not moaning about it" uh... |
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that was perfect, everything is in that paragraph, maybe pin it to make it clear to everybody? thanks a lot for yout time and efforts! :) |
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i'd say the main reason that small labels suffer is because theyre distribution is crap. loads of people on here live in places where this music isnt as readily available, also the fact that they only release things on vinyl and not cd (analord being a fine example) means that people who love this music cant get access to it, with the exception of mp3's. not for me, i can get a hold of a lot of great great music in Glasgow, because the shops here get it easily, and i know lots of people who DO go out and buy everything on the rephlex/skam/seed/city centre offices/toytronic ect roster.....and thats just in one small city in the UK. ALSO....the prices being asked for (analord being a prime example again) puts people off splashing their well earned cash. and pffff, if warp think theyre suffering, maybe they should start putting out good music again. |
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i think phobiazero did the right thing. he who plays with fire can get his fingers burned at some point |
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lol @ "...if warp..." :D |
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I'm not sure that you can put their suffering to distribution since if they were really that bothered, they would mailorder it. Similarly for releasing on vinyl, if people were really that bothered, they would fork out for an el-cheapo turntable. Personally I try to strike a balance between buying and downloading material. I don't buy everything that I own but I still make an effort to purchase enough material so as to feel like I am supporting the people who make the music. Different people will have different balances. |
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all phobia is saying is that it looks terrible that some of the members here are essentially giving away brand new, hot off the presses releases - plus whats going to happen everytime a new highly anticipated release is released, how is it going to look if it is popularly know that the link to an mp3 is posted here for all to see - i dont think it could be any clearer than that as far as i am concerned, and this is coming from a person who did not buy analord 10, i would rather not hear it or not get it. |
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"i'll probably lose all my contacts/channels/connections to the artists and labels if they know xltronic is hotlinking to commersial newly released mp3's" i can perfectly understand this, but those labels should really know better. the effect of this could be in their favour and they definitely gain a lot from sites like xltronic so that alone makes me hate them all!!! |
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well, sorry if i'm coming across as opinionated, i'm not usually like this, but i think moving the goalposts/changing the rules because you have some new friends is a little unfair. |
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exactly... he should know better. i think he knew it was coming... There were a number of members in this thread and elsewhere that were not aware that this was a bannable action. |
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it's his site, he doesn't have to warn you each and every time. like I said before, it's just common sense that phobia wouldn't want his site to be seen as a traficker of mp3s, especially on a release that just came out that day. and JAroen has been temp banned so many times it makes my head spin.. :) |
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phobs, we DONT WATNT YYOU TO loose the messaboard or your connections in any wya at all ... make a pre-messageboard button, sayint what is and what isnt accetpable |
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and again, how many copyrighted pictures are there in the discography you don't have permission to use? |
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it's his damn site, and he can do what he wants... and all it takes is a little common sense to realize it's not a smart thing to link to copyrighted mp3's... especially on a site that is dedicated to music and such... a site that the artists we talk about, and who's mp3's might be linked, come and visit from time to time... so there is a difference between mp3's and pictures... also, JAroen is a bit annoying anyways... can't really hurt the message board to have him banned... |
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i didnt know that there was a discography :) promotion is the best way to get your product out there |
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But alex it has happened a number of times in the past. I am not saying that hotlinking is ok. I am saying that this was out of nowhere. |
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I'd like to thank JAroen for linking up the mp3. I could have gotten the release in mp3 format from several other place's, but from JAroen I got it as fast as possible. I think analord was an exception, I don't usually seek for mp3's in this forum. The main reason I hang around here are the lovely people. I didnt purchase the Analord 10 package when it was available, because i didn't want to buy another release like Smojphace. And secondly, I don't own a record player. But when I got the mp3's of Analord, i felt that I should have bought it. Now I'm hoping for a CD release, and will definetly buy that, and if there ain't going to be CD release, I could buy the release in mp3 format. So my bottom line is that people who got it from here, probably just wanted to hear it. I quess many will buy it after they've heard it and the future Analord releases. And I dont think that there should be more 0day mp3's on the board, no. But I hope that Phobian doesn't ban the mixes people make, those are real nice, for music lovers like me. |
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so, please un-ban JAroen. |
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Phobsie you're just banning random people because you are afraid to lose the steady flow of promos to your doorstep tee hee hee |
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what the fuck? how do you only have 6 posts all of a sudden? |
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STEAKattack |
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holy shit what the hell, are they the same person?? same avatar... |
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I'm afraid you're not seeing this in a longer perspective, but I don't blame you since I'm prolly the one that cares the most about this site & messageboard. I'm pretty sure that all major messageboards would have done the same (Joyrex?). It's all about common sense really... If you're not realising the harm it may bring, then it's your problem - not mine. While you were thinking "yay! a link to analord mp3's.... gotta download them RIGHT NOW.... hey what? did you temp. banned jaroen for providing a hotlink? you NAZI! i don't get it... it's on vinyl anyway and i just don't have a goddamn turntable!? i don't really care what happens to this messageboard anyway... i SIMPLY WANT MY ANALORD MP3's TO WHATEVER PRICE... as long as I can download it for free."" ... i was thinking... "damn....someone is hotlinking to commersial mp3's on my site... could this harm the site? will this happen to autechre's new release as well? is this a BAD or a GOOD thing? hard choice.... NOT! i'd better remove the link right away... oh, it was jaroen again. why does he challenge his mb-existenze every goddamn week?" on a 2nd thought... maybe i would have done the same thing if this wasn't my site... maybe if it was viringpusher's site.... i'd have acted the same.... w/o thinking or care about any future consequenses.... i just want my new APHEX so godamn much to WHATEVER price... as long as i can do it for free.... damn them if they remove the link... now i will just have to wait another 5 days until i can download it from soulseek!!!!! btw... i'm NOT receiving promos from ANY labels at all... |
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I really think most of the people understand that you forbid hotlinking mp3's from now on, but it is more the way you did it I guess there were more hotlinks in the past you know why not make a sticky topic of this subject? before acting like this all of a sudden... and besides, if there are any users who haven´t been here for a few weeks and don´t read this topic, still don´t know... |
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Phob: Why don't you make your position clear? Nowhere it says multiple accounts=perm ban, and hotlinks to mp3s=ban, etc. Why not write all these things down, make a popup, saying I agree when you sign in, so it only bothers you once a visit, then people have nothing to complain about. |
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Look on the register page |
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When I registered, I'm sure that wasn't there. So how am I supposed to know??? |
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When I registered over a year ago it was there. Plus I thought it was common xltronic knowledge. |
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Yeah but that's my point, you can't claim it is common knowledge. For example say someone who signed up 3 years ago logs in infrequently and doesn't read any posts pertaining to multiple accounts or other 'thorny issues'. How do they know? |
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I bought a kiddie paddling pool the other day for my 9 month old son. The inflatable pool fills to a depth of, ooooh, I'd say 2 inches. On the side are three paragraphs of US saftey regulations, some obvious, "don't leave the child unattended", some less so, "no diving". Nowhere on the pool does it say "do not wrap round your neck and set fire to the plastic inhaling deeply the fumes" How am I supposed to know not to do that unless I am reminded EVERYTIME i want to use the pool? |
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hahahaha :D |
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well why would you want to create multiple accounts anyway? |
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I don't know why you would want to make multiple accounts, but then I don't see the big problem with it either. To be honest I don't really care if people get banned or not, I just wanted there to be something in place to stop all the moaning that goes on. To be honest I'm with dog_belch on this one, wtf do you expect to happen? Someone like Jaroen new what would happen, so why the big deal? Thats my final word, I got better things to worry about. |
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ok |
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dave_g, since you didn't see it when you made your orig account, when you go to make your 2nd you damn well will see it. and mp3s are illigal. that is a known fact to be assumed .... if you are posting illigal material on a webpage (public), what in your right mind do you expect to happen. are you guys here to complain or what |
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mp3s are illegal? since when dewd |
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I was just thinking the same thing. |
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not all mp3s aren't illigal, but there are illigal mp3s. maybe you need to take a discrete logic course to get this understanding across. it's quite fundamental. you do not own the message booard, and thus, you do not suffer consequences such if anything shall happen. give it up, already. ---oh, and don't ask ppl on the message "omg why would someone make a dupe account" because it's been done numerous times by numerous people....so that is an irrelevant question. someone gets banned, first thing they're gonna do is wait then try to make a new account. (from the figures) |
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not all mp3s aren't illigal, but there are illigal mp3s. maybe you need to take a discrete logic course to get this understanding across. it's quite fundamental. you do not own the message booard, and thus, you do not suffer consequences such if anything shall happen. give it up, already. ---oh, and don't ask ppl on the message "omg why would someone make a dupe account" because it's been done numerous times by numerous people....so that is an irrelevant question. someone gets banned, first thing they're gonna do is wait then try to make a new account. (from the figures) |
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of course, you are the only logic person on this board... as the matter for me, I don´t have any problems with the fact Phob forbid hotlinking...it is more how he did it |
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I L L E G A L Now that's out the way. We weren't questioning the logic of Phob here. We were questioning your statement "and mp3s are illigal. that is a known fact to be assumed" Another thing. Don't be so condascending to everyone. Especially when you have such poor english and/or typing skills. It's really fucking annoying. |
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sorry, ill type slower and spell check my posts from now on. you do take quite pleasure in activelypointing them out, i like how you get off on that ;) |
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I only point them out with you because of the tone you take on here as the fountain of knowledge. Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong. |
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how would you want me to do it? |
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