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What is "bad art" and how would you define it ? |
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I can't define it with words, but show me a piece of art and I will tell you if it is bad or not. |
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A man pissing into a cup of soot while making a noise like "sssssssssss". |
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everyone's got their own definition of art, their own taste, their own values... so you decide, it's all up to you. i wouldn't call anything "bad art" nor "good art" anyway; sometimes i say "bad music" or "good music" but i should say "music i don't like" and "music i like" instead... same with art, i like it or i don't like it but pretending that art could be objectively "bad" or "good" would be just stupid and even sound fascist to some ears. |
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(as far as i know, anything can be art as long as there is someone to pretend it is and someone to believe it... or even just someone to believe it...) |
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bad art is not art |
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art that i don't like. |
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Country Wester music and the haircuts of its afficionadoes |
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My list of Bad Art: Fantasy art Fan art Adolescent surrealism People still doing Abstract expressionism 50 years too late Digital Photography Video installations Photoshop |
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Tribal logo art |
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kline is definately bad |
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that's a bit general, isn't it? I would say sadly most video installations are shit, but there are a few good ones. what do you mean when you say digital photography? |
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All digital photography, it's like music, now everyone can make it easily it's become shit. Everyone's now a fucking photographer... digital photos.... here's another anonymous picture of some litter but just look at the resolution, it's gone through the fucking roof!!!! And ALL Video installations are vile, apart from the ones that I have had any involvement with. I wish I had a copy of the video we did in tribute to Bruce Nauman. |
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the verb "to be" is incongruent with "badness." a more accurate verb would be "to seem." badness seems. this is clear when oneself is the fundamental measure of "badness" and "goodness." anyone who claims to determine "goodness" or "badness" based on objective qualities is fooling themselves. whenever you assert that "that painting is bad," you would more accurately say "that painting seems bad." after all, you really don't know much about what "is." |
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yeah, but I think most people grasp the idea that "good" and "bad" are subjective terms, so I think we can manage. |
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Portrait of the Failed Artist As a Young Man.. |
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more accurately, experiences and objects seem bad. you're wrong, qrter. the majority of people think that their reaction to things and experiences are features of the things and experiences themselves. witness offense taken at "offensive" language. people who argue that people who do not like the music that they like are "stupid." take a look around this very message board. this delusion and its manifestations cause innumberable problems for us human beings... |
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you can manage qrter, but you speak only for qrter... i'm sure you manage well... |
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I was going to write a book along those lines, based on my dispiritng experiences... I wrote about 20,000 very sorrowful words on the subject in a thinly veiled autobiographical sob fest. |
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nice. and a bit emberrassing, I bet. |
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Well I put a thick varnish of (attempts at) "humour" over the chiaroscuro depictions of mortal dread and failure. |
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That is a very Clintonian excursion into semantics plaidzebra. |
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no one said it "seems good" to listen to what "seems bad." society is borne of argument and agreement. clintonian? that's a very large can of worms that as much as i'd like i can't take the time to address. i'm sure you're heartbroken. but i'll agree that without a universal law, we're left to argue endlessly about what "is" truth and what "are" lies... |
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The subjective nature of perception obviates any such notions as truth or lies and only fools argue moot points, but I still say country music sucks... blue grass on the other hand... |
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i become physically ill in the presence of zydeco... |
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Any art that defies your criteria for good art. Simple. |
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and yet nearly the whole world continues to argue those subjects... fools? or maybe we are all students... perhaps we should begin a "what is country music anyway?" thread... or just link to the discussion at xlcountry.com... that means "excellent country music," btw... |
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I would rather gore out my eardrums with a rusty nail and listen to the droning of my skull for all of eternity than to listen to 5 minutes of country music. |
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eternity is a long time... |
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dog_belch at the end of the day you're mostly talking about mediums, tools. we tend to forget that some humans can do great stuff with some of the tools you mentioned...shame over 90 per cent of folk use these tools to sound or be like everyone else....once in a while people stand out. regardless the tool, coz it's how you use it....oh shit now i'm thinking about how it's true that a lot of modern tools dictate a certain way of working, the process... but then there's so many things you can do with a hammer.... |
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lol, learn how to write! |
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" ...at the end of the day...?" heh. you write like my fat aunt speaks. I won't visit her because she is too fat to fit into people clothes and smells distinctly of urine. |
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plaidzebra, you'rre wrrong. |
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I wish I had yourr e-mail addrress, hobbes. |
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anything picture that are similar to what the eye can see |
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i've really grown fond of your pointed dismissals, anus. maybe you'd like my email, then you could issue your casual put-downs at more regular intervals... anus replies : "no, i don't want yourr email." |
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so what was that you had to say? :) tosspot. anus_presley: konlied/hotmail :) |
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hobbes, i added you to my MSN. i'm known as Charlotte. i don't know if you use it orr not. |
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yeah i do, nice one. |
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As seems to be well-established by this Arty-Consensus thread, i'm going to play devil's advocate and say that i don't believe there's any such thing as bad art, just the personal perception thing. If the "art" that someone makes is congruent to yer own personal preferences, then by all means go with it. Isn't that the postmodern "viewer-artist-relationship" thing to say? If i was more drunk, i might get all philosophical and rant on about creativity being pointless, a pathetic shout into that "Existential Void of GoffikNess", but i might realize my own futility and go to bed all sad. Oh fine art study, why do ye damn me so. |
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HObbes, you're right, and I'm glad you thought about it all a lot more than I did, which was, admittedly, hardly at all, and I fell back on my knee jerk reaction (is that possible) response when it comes to "Art". Having studied and practised among artists for 5 or so years, I can say I've never met anyone with anything, anything to say that couldn't be written on the back of a fucking stamp rather than creating an installation/12' canvas/24 hour slowed down video piece. |
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Hahaha, indeed. Art colleges are 99% full of toss-rags. Dudes who look very serious in knitted hats whilst copying dali paintings in large-scale charcoal or girls with pink hair who want to make Very Long Videos of themselves masturbating over a copy of the bible. Art college is rubbish, really. |
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Fuck, apart from the knitted hats it sounds like you were in my year. |
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I guess the thing is, it's not all toss, but as you say, 99% is a very near figure. And I guess that goes for lots of other areas of life. It's just a shame that we're expected to accept ALL ART as valid whihc just isn't true, and that attitude obscures the really good stuff because one's too busy "appreciating" all the shit work. Fuck the shit, is my art manifesto. |
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Ohh, the shit, my friend, the SHIT. Anything can be art, and it doesn't matter whether it's good or not. Are those pink-haired girls saying Something Deep about, like, the Role Of The Female, or perhaps the Palestinian Problem (possibly through enlarged newspaper photographs with a "statement" scrawled in lipstick)? The college system rewards wank and good alike as long as your tutor is stoned enough. I blame marcel duchamp. |
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Seriously, who better than Duchamp to have come up with such an art wheeze as to foist upon future generations the notion that anything is art. What an evil genius. |
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if that's you in the avatar, i can imagine your left arm stretched out towards the keyboard, slowly typing. looks like a cool t-shirt. |
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Oh, he KNEW what he was doing. It might've seemed "Krazy Pseudo-Dada RevolooShon" at the time, but i'm sure he intended to spawn the terrible devil-children of Scumbag College in 80 or 90 years time. Damn you and your evil "opening-up-what-art-can-be-about" readymades, duchamp. Damn you all to hell. I'm preseving all my fag-ends in wax right now, in the name of "Art". Don't you know what you've DONE? |
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