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Interest rates are now 1.25% and Fox News has announced the days of cheap borrowing are over?!?!?!. Fuel prices...interest rates...Americas devistating increases aren't even half of our normal levels in the UK. |
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one question mark (in the thread title) too many... |
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haha actually I wasn't going to put the question mark in there and then I thought it might be a little inflamitory to the more 'patriotic' citizens of the United States. |
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Haha, they desperately need to boost their spendings now |
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their country owes too many millions as ive heard |
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America is a very selfish country, economically and ideologically - this is often mistaken as "evil", but I define them a little like this: Selfishness: Fucking over another person / country / company to further your own Self. Evilness: Fucking over another person / country / company just because. As you can see, sometimes the definitions will come perilously close to overlapping, leading to a blurring of the terms. |
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selfish, evil, same thing, same thing. |
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I believe there is a difference, however subtle it may at times. |
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Here are some easily verifiable facts to consider about the Bush Economy: GDP growth rate for the 2 years before Bush tax cut: 2.5% GDP growth rate for first year after Bush tax cut: 5.7% Highest Real GDP growth rate in 20 years in Q3 2003: 8.2% Healthy GDP growth Unemployment rate after Clinton's 3rd year: 5.6% Unemployment rate after Bush's 3rd year: 5.6% Unemployment average for the entire 1990s: 5.8% Unemployment historically low Total employed persons when Bush took office: 136,181,000 Total employed persons in February 2004: 137,384,000 1.2 million new jobs Dow Jones Industrial Average March 2003: 7,397 Dow Jones Industrial Average March 2004 10,794 Stock market up 46% in 1 year NASDAQ March 2003: 1,253 NASDAQ March 2004 2,058 NASDAQ up 64% in 1 year More single-family homes purchased in 2003 than in any prior year. Homeownership rate at all time high of 68.6% Inflation rate when Bush took office: 3.73% Inflation rate in February 2004: 1.69% Inflation historically low US Household total net worth at all time high of $44.4 trillion. and! we're the fastest-growing major industrialized economy in the world. |
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What about the bad stuff, like all the bombs and that? |
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what horse? |
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Re: tax cuts & GDP growth rates. If you know anything about politics & economics, you'll know that the right very often get into power on promises of tax cuts - because thats what the people want to hear. however, the benefits that come with a tax cut are only short term. but by te time eveyone works that out it's usually too late. it's fairly simple to grasp: if more people have more disposable income, they spend it & on paper the country's gdp growth looks great. but, with less tax money coming in, the nation's basic services suffer in the long term - because there's no longer enough money to support them properly and people start cutting corners. when appealing to the part of the voting demographic who are swayed by whoever will make them pay the least taxes, the left will always be unpopular, as they are usually the only ones realistic enough to admit that in order to maintain & improve standards, long term investment is required. not enough people think in the long term though; they're always looking for the quick fix, and thats why the right will triumph. you don't think it occurred to them how lucrative this war in iraq stands to be for america? how else do you think they are going to fill the massive hole left by the tax cut. think about it; it's impossible for what you put in and what you get back to be inversely proportional. a lot of people seem to fall for it though, time after time.. |
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A rewarding career in copier sales and McJobs awaits ALL FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS! |
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i'm sorry to burst your bubble acrid but that source was taken 3 months from today and economically speaking that is current. |
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It has to be true comming from a right wing propaganda site. |
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that is not right wing you ignorant person you if you read the bottom it is from several federal bureau sources making it bi-wingual hahah that was a joke sorry |
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It has to be true coming from a site called "Truth Teller". |
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oh, right.. i'm sorry bubble burst. please accept my apologies.. i wasn't aware that you considered THREE MONTHS to be long-term how foolish of me. nice to see that you know how to plan ahead. :D |
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i'm not here to boast my ego acrid but i took macro economics to know that 3 months is recent enough. |
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easily verifiable that you're full of shit unemployment rate was 7.2 percent in May and everything else is bullshit too 1.2 million new jobs? riiiight |
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the big news in Canada right now is that we're massing our armies and nuclear weapons for an invasion... don't tell any Americans though! We need to keep this a secret, and keep the element of surprise! |
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ok. i bow down to you. clearly all my economist friends are wrong. oh, and i wasn't disputing 3months being RECENT. i was saying that three months is nothing like LONG TERM. be careful where you source your figures though. you can communicate anything with the right stats. monoid's already found stats that contradict yours, and i'm sure there are plenty more out there - all of them twisted to support a vested interest. from life experience, rather than book learning, it's fairly evident that - long term - it's only a relatively small band of the population that benefits from an economy run in this way. usually, they're the ones in affluent positions, with the loudest voice. |
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enough of these political and religious threads.. it's nice to get a feel for where people's heads and hearts lie every now and again.. but i want to read some music-related threads again while i sit here and get paid for doing nothing. |
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first of all that website i posted speaks about different aspects of the nations economics well being, not only employment. monoid presented was only about unemployment rate in specific areas which has nothing to do with the OVERALL of the country which is at (another unreputable source) i'm sure you know that is considered a faily low unemployment rate. |
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yes i agree enough with the politics and religion. i'm gonna take a break from it for a couple weeks. |
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hahaha 3months is definitely current. and portraying stats isn't quite like portraying percentiles. weltact, "their country owes too many millions as ive heard" And what about the billions we give other countries? Monoroid, "1.2 million new jobs? riiiight" I'll let ignorance speak for yourself on this one. |
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let's agree to disagree and find something more lighthearted to fill our time with. |
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give?.. GIVE?! i'm giving up now before this all kicks off again. out. |
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Yes, overall US unempl. rate was 5.6 percent . for US. I think the US has outperformed most other economies for decades and not just due to the Bush administration. Remember the repercussions of macroeconomic policies often take more than a presidential term before they are observable. |
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Bah Fuck it. I don't care anymore. All you wankers can take your cheap shots and low-life, indirect, unbacking...meaningless comments all you want. Does that really satisfy you? Every thread about US is just filled with these stupid little comments. Usually from people who (by following comments, or lack their of) have showed your inexperience and lack of education on the very matter. Shows your ignorance as well. Can't truely address the subject but feel the little rhetorical and obvious cheap shots will fill the void. Well ..... I could care less. I live a great life. I have very little to worry about. My country is now being represented to you, not by the 250+ million people, but rather as a single entity usually formed by the news or media. By allowing yourself to do this, well ... certainly skews any all and comments at hand. I don't even know how you can simulate in your head that what you see on TV and on the news, is how we all live. Obviously...ignorance is bliss. Enjoy your cheap little comment. I hope it felt good to try and take a stab at the situation by showing your ignorance. BRB, back to my wonderful life. |
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that's what i was trying to say when i mentionned the long term. at last, a voice of reason in the wilderness. nice avatar too. bye |
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not once have i aimed a criticism at the 250+ million inhabitants of america. i try to avoid generalisations at all cost. they just confuse things & misrepresent innocent people. on a slight tangent.. i've never understood the american expression "i could care less" in england we say "i couldn't care less" i - could - not - care - less. ie: i care so little for this that it is metaphysically impossible to care any less than i do. but if you say "i could care less" - you're saying that it IS possible for you to care less about the subject in question; therefore you DO care about it. i'm not being obtuse. i REALLY don't understand that expression. it means the opposite of the sentiment you seem to be trying to express. |
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On a vaguely related note, I don't understand why many Americans say 'write me' instead of 'write to me'. Unless someone can come up with a reasonable explanation I suspect it may irritate me for the rest of my life :D |
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Because it's that extra bit of power over the english even if it's just the language. Either that or they're too lazy to say/write a while sentence. |
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great minds |
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I MUST NOW TO THE REFECTORY! |
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Bah Fuck it. I don't care anymore. All you wankers can take your cheap shots and low-life, indirect, unbacking...meaningless comments all you want. Does that really satisfy you? Every thread about US is just filled with these stupid little comments. Usually from people who (by following comments, or lack their of) have showed your inexperience and lack of education on the very matter. Shows your ignorance as well. Can't truely address the subject but feel the little rhetorical and obvious cheap shots will fill the void. Well ..... I couldn't care less. I live a great life. I have very little to worry about. My country is now being represented to you, not by the 250+ million people, but rather as a single entity usually formed by the news or media. By allowing yourself to do this, well ... certainly skews any all and comments at hand. I don't even know how you can simulate in your head that what you see on TV and on the news, is how we all live. Obviously...ignorance is bliss. Enjoy your cheap little comment. I hope it felt good to try and take a stab at the situation by showing your ignorance. BRB, back to my wonderful life. Well said elusive |
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"I don't care anymore." The rest of your post seems to suggest otherwise... |
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ooohhhh god americans... |
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Of course I care....we all care, but when it comes to you anti-americans bashing america-and the people I couldnt care less. There are ignorant people everywhere. I dont stand behind childrentalking views, i think hes wrong. But there arent many americans here for you all to judge us by the few who do speak out. The ratio of americans to the rest of you are very high. Youre judging us by our president, and the few people that are here and i dont think thats right when I ADMIT OUR PRESIDENT IS A DUMB FUCK WHO THINKS LIKES HIS FATHER. AND I DONT AGREE WITH MUCH OF THE AMERICANS THAT LIVE HERE. But since you guys have the advantage here-GO talk all this anti-america talk you want because youre going to have more people on your side. And anything I say joking or not you all are going to cut my throat. |
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i reiterate: "not once have i aimed a criticism at the 250+ million inhabitants of america. i try to avoid generalisations at all cost. they just confuse things & misrepresent innocent people." if i sometimes question the actions of your country or express concern about how it's actions are portrayed to other nations, please don't take it as a direct criticism of you. i don't feel responsible for the decisions my government makes on my behalf. but you should be aware that how the rest of the world perceives the actions of your nation (nb: not YOU, your NATION) is not something you can or should ignore. and yes, the media of other countries probably do twist events to paint a negative image of the US (the same way the US media twists fact - such is the nature of the media), but as they say; there's no smoke without fire. there must be a reason that america (not YOU, your NATION) seems to rub so many people, countries, and organisations up the wrong way. |
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Yes I read it...I still think what he said was true. And so I added my own thoughts |
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i meant to say undisputable* not unreputable , but nobody caught on so whatever |
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what a bunch of yankers |
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Welcome to the culture of FEAR |
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i could care less |
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*couldn't |
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Anyone watch the Saddam "interrogation" today? Bruddah has balls. Tellin' the judge his role hehe |
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i say it with sarcasm "i could care less" i dunno ... just the way i've always said it. you get this funny smirk/look of sarcasm on yer face when you say it too. i cant do it online ^_^ |
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