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One of the many problems with the American left, and indeed of the American left, has been its image and self-image as something rather too solemn, mirthless, herbivorous, dull, monochrome, righteous, and boring. How many times, in my old days at The Nation magazine, did I hear wistful and semienvious ruminations? Where was the radical Firing Line show? Who will be our Rush Limbaugh? I used privately to hope that the emphasis, if the comrades ever got around to it, would be on the first of those and not the second. But the meetings themselves were so mind-numbing and lugubrious that I thought the danger of success on either front was infinitely slight. Nonetheless, it seems that an answer to this long-felt need is finally beginning to emerge. I exempt Al Franken's unintentionally funny Air America network, to which I gave a couple of interviews in its early days. There, one could hear the reassuring noise of collapsing scenery and tripped-over wires and be reminded once again that correct politics and smooth media presentation are not even distant cousins. With Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, however, an entirely new note has been struck. Here we glimpse a possible fusion between the turgid routines of MoveOn.org and the filmic standards, if not exactly the filmic skills, of Sergei Eisenstein or Leni Riefenstahl. To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery. |
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unfortunately i can't post the rest of article on the board because its acting screwy. oh well u can read for yourself in that link. |
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The copy and paste didnt seem to work to well |
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yeah that was pointed out in my previous post bear |
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STOP COPY AND PASTE AND SPEAK FROM YOUR MIND! |
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only a pro american jew could come up with such shit |
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this has been posted before. and was noted then - MSN isn't the most trustworthy source. |
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goodie, you have msn.com as homepage too? great is it not |
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I tried to click on your response but it gave me an error.... that was a pretty ignorant comment, people who have nothing intellectual to say ignorant comments like what you just said Ja. |
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yeah anything anti your views isn't a reliable source. i'm sure whoever wrote that article is more knowledgable in the subject matter than 99.9% of the people on the board |
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I read halfway through it, and besides one or two minor points which don't address the whole point of the movie, it's an opinion piece. |
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politics>me |
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btw thank you for that insightful reply to jareon. i think he deserved it. unfortunately i try to ignore him the best i can. |
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WARNING children talking has not seen this movie. But he has seen Bill O'reily and knows all about Micheal Moore :> |
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theres no way i'm paying to watch that garbage sorry. |
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HA HA HA!! end of discussion! |
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Nora, the fact is, the fascist conservative fundamentalist propaganda is as much a part of you as that little black dress you wear in a futile attempt to conceal the fact that you're a bulimic female escort who reeks of pure Missouri. You filthy whore. |
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*grins* xltronic.com, where politics meet exellent electronic music |
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lefties rule! hahahha gotta go study peace out yo "keep it real" |
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I am not a liberal at all. |
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if with studying you mean actually having seen what you are discussing, I think I will keep doing that, yeah! |
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Nice Condoleeza picture :> |
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My website? I have two more, if that's what you mean. |
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theres no way i'm paying to watch that garbage sorry. Then how can you say anything about the film if you havent even watched it and garnered your own ideas. |
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children talking fuckin sucks. |
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Well, I don't like Michael Moore, I must be a filthy conservative. |
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c'mon darius dont go over board. Andrew you dont even know who childrentalking is, he has his own opinion about a subject and he has every right to it. come on now most of you dont even live in America-it is I who has to really with this shit |
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just like "EugeneII".. |
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yes, but America sadly has quite an effect on the rest of the world... so we are very concerned. |
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YOU BETTER BE OR ELSE MY COUNTRY WILL BOMB YOU AND KILL YOUR CHILDREN CAUSE THATS THE WAY WE DO THING...NOW |
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have you seen the film? |
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never mind, just figured it out...you haven't seen the film i love people who attempt to trash films they've not seen...it's so...lovable |
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ok IM KIDDING bad joke....I know what everyone deals with this. and no childrentalking has not seen the movei but he's watched many interviews with moore and doesnt like HIM-so he doesnt like HIS movies. |
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best thread title... ever |
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that's cool. he has a right to not like michael moore, or his films, an absolutely the right to not pay to see his films. but to discourage other people from seeing it without seeing it himself smacks a bit of right-wing indirect censorship to me. if you haven't seen the film, then saying you don't like it is not even an opinion...it's a guess at best. and to tell people not to see it on that basis? it's like telling people not to wear red because you hate that color. it's ranting. of course, he has the right to rant as well. |
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what the hell is that?!?!?!??!?! |
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It's me. |
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well he wasnt saying he didnt like the movie what he was FIRST saying is "read this article about how micheal moore is wrong" Thats why I told him to speak from his mind and not paste an article and then he told me hasnt seen a movie and thats when everyone realized that this guy is talking caca :D |
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That was you who did that noise? I remember those on marlowes old message board |
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that was me ranting. like the leftist hippie pinko commie anarchist that i am. |
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Michael Moore is more entertainment than education for me... I liked Bowling, but I learned nothing and trust him no more than the typical biased news source. I loved his idiotic and uninformed portrayal of Canada in particular. |
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God I hate that guy. |
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I loved this movie. Eat shit Cheney.. um i mean Bush |
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i like michael moore, but i'm not going to see his movie this weekend. i'm not sure i'll come out of the experience a different person...i already think bush/cheney are liars. most of that administration is rotten. i'm just glad the movie is lighting a fire under Democrat asses. we need to do something quick. but i'll see the movie next weekend. this weekend i'm gonna see spidey 2. hell yeah. |
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"To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious." Yeah hahahaha The movie was ok, but yeah ... It was very .... WAL*MART |
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i saw it and it only contains things that everybody should've known all along... didn't amaze me i've been following the war on iraq and everything he says it's out there to confirm. |
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Aphexnumb bleats: come on now most of you dont even live in America-it is I who has to really with this shit Have a heart for the people in the Middle East BITCH! |
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And this: |
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Dont use such language. Its entirely uncalled for to refer to afxnumb as a bitch. This is a "gentleman's debate". We should show class! |
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bush & his administration twist the truth to benefit themselves, yes? i presume we have some vague concensus on that? moore doesn't like them. so he's bound to twist the truth to benefit his cause. the guy that wrote that article (which was linked in another thread a few days ago) doesn't like moore. so he's twisted moore's twisted film about bush's twisted lies to fit his standpoint. and someone disliked moore and liked bush enough to want to publish that essay online.. because it didn't just get there by itself. everyone has a motive. and that shapes their approach. i'd be careful who you side with. |
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