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> This is the list of things that has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share > it with your friends and > compare it to the version that your paper is producing)!! > > -Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever > in Iraq. > -Over 400,000 kids have up to date immunizations. > -Over 1500 schools have been renovated and ridded of the weapons that were > stored there so education can occur. > -The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off loaded from ships > faster. > -School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war. > -The country had it's first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August. > -The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war > -100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to 35% before the > war. > -Elections are taking place in every major city and city councils are in > place. > -Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city. > -Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets. > -Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country. > -Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US > soldiers. > -Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever. > -Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent > the spread of germs. > -An interim constitution has been signed. > -Girls are allowed to attend school for the first time ever in Iraq. > -Text books that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time > in 30 years. > > Don't believe for one-second that these people do not want us there. > > I have met many many people from Iraq that want us there and in a bad way. > They say they will never see the freedoms we talk about but they hope their > children will. > > We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute > me on these facts. > > So If you happen to run into John Kerry, be sure to give him my email > address and send him to Denison, Iowa. |
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This soldier will set him straight. > > If you are like me and very disgusted with how this period of rebuilding has > been portrayed, email this to a friend and let them know there are good > things happening. > > Ray Reynolds, SFC > Iowa Army National Guard > 234th Signal Battalion |
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Bush = murderer what USA has done for money = genocide |
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chanlenge me, 1. I dont believe most of the facts that you gave me just then, where are they from? Bushes lies probably. 2.You went there under false pretenses and broke many laws to topple a regime so teh US could profitise from the Iraqy people. 3. People were killed! 4. War is a fight between TWO army's |
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"100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to 35% before " yea they need the extra 65% to cope with civilian casulties, lol |
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I have no issues with Iraq becoming a better country, but why did the US have to lie about why they went there, WOMD, just say, we want to stop a dictatorship. Which is not a valuable reason to invade a country (UN law) but the US just went and broke that law, and now are using "these facts" to make us feel better about it. well it doesnt work on me. |
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Nacmat thats a strong statement coming from somebody who's country fell through corruption until Aznar took power. and history will repeat itself. your country is a prime example Now Aznar believes that the Islamic terrorists will try to influence elections in other countries, including the United States. "If they were able to do it in Spain, why wouldn't they try to do it elsewhere?" he asked. these are facts. i just posted. if you dont care for them thats another thing. if you actually believe what i posted are lies then you are simply being ignorant. cya later |
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Thank you for proving these are facts by mentioning these are facts. |
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i'm not saying that i fully believe these stats that were obviously copied from a forwarded email, but it's kinda sad how quick people are to dismiss them as lies.. and be just as quick to accept equally vague statistics that discredit the US as fact. i'm starting to think that there is absolutely nothing america can to to improve it's public image. even if these stats were true i doubt any of the disbelievers would give them any thought. |
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FOOD FIGHT!!! I CHALLENGE NACHO, THE SNOW KILLER |
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You are right and handsome. |
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If you follow any of whats going on in Iraq then you've probably heard about a chuck of that stuff. I am sure it's quite easy to look into. Thanks for posting in this thread. It rekindles my undying love for you! :D |
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That is 100% correct my friend! Fucking 100%! |
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LOL nora: aznar is such a liar, I understand how he is so nice friend with bush both liars both murderers, both corrupt but at least bush is powerful, not like that sad small being called aznar... poor thing |
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I didnt assume they were lies, just asked for more evidence. I guess the US doesnt need evidence judging by the *cough cough* weapons of mass destruction. |
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its not about evidence altali. saddam hussein failed to comply with 15 un resolutions that gave us cause to remove him from power. *plays the keytar* |
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I am sure soldiers in iraq are trying to do their best now to improve those people´s lifes... but at first that war should have never taken place.... not for money and maybe some of those stats are true, which is good for iraq... but what a bout the 40 people who died today in a wedding? or the prisioners being humiated? its normal that we disbelieve |
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its not about evidence altali. saddam hussein failed to comply with 15 un resolutions that gave us cause to remove him from power. *plays the keytar* how many has bush broken? you ignorant fuck |
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no, I am sorry but your war was illegal, as the UN was against... well you didnt even let the UN vote for that... you just decided to attack on your own I say "you" talking about the US goverment you seem to be so proud of |
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you are not rulers of the world, you do not have the right answer to everything, everywhere doesnt want a McDonalds, that why you get so much shit. And you can eat it. |
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Show me where each fact came from. There are no sources listed in that argument, making it useless. |
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altai you proved your stupidity with that last response. now i really gotta go. "peace" |
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don't forget to and answer all of the fun multiple choice questions |
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yes, bush is indirectly a murder. and he might've thought doing what he did would benefit the us in some way, but overall the us is losing a shitload of money funding the war.. so you can't really say that it was genocide for money.. i mean, it really would be considered genocide in that it was a near-complete extermination of a political party.. but then you would need to consider every war or action like that to be a genocide.. the overthrowing of the nazis would be genocide.. not trying to compare the two, just making an example. people need to stop seeing things only in black and white.. both sides of this too. i mean, bush might be a stupid bastard that should've never been elected, but you can't deny that there has been at least some good on some level that has come out of his actions, as vile/violent as they were/are.. i am not saying it was justifiable, but i am saying that even if we don't like it, sometimes systemised killing can prevent the systemised killing of someone else who's more innocent.. it probably should not at all be our role as humans to decide who shouldn't or should die.. but we need to accept that sadam was evil (maybe just like bush) but he didn't at least try to sugar-coat or justify his killings as being "for freedom".. the killings sadam committed were only to tighten his stranglehold on his nation and its people.. maybe we just shouldn’t kill at all, but to someone, the innocent guy sitting on death row in iraq, the actions of the us government were most likely welcome. i know many people can think of a bunch of equally valid points to counter what i've said, and i'd like to hear them. i just wanted make a few points that show that things are never clear-cut.. it seems like, in a way, many people are sort of stuck into thinking that the everything bush has done/is doing, and even the end result is wrong/bad in every possible way, just like some are so damn convinced that everything he is doing is right in every possible way.. |
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What people don't realise is that this whole business is an inevitable spiral of doom. Yeah that "Nora" dude can feel good about himself saying it was a "rightful" struggle or whatever. And the others will say that if "we remove our troops the problem will go away". |
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i just think there is no total right and wrong when it comes to violence and government.. as long as one government is using violence as method of control, the only real way to stop them is with more violence.. unless we just wait sheepishly and let that initial violence take its course.. |
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as long as one government is using violence as method of control, the only real way to stop them is with more violence you make a good reference for my whole spiral thing |
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Yeah, and we accomplished all this while managing to 'quiet' the people who DOTN want the US there by torturing them in Iraqi prisons with electricity and whatnot. |
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Ever wonder what happens in Guantanamo? |
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and as soon as the country is rebuilt, it will be the US's bitch. what a price for freedom! |
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Why was it destroyed? Because it stopped being the US's bitch. |
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Exactly, thats the whole point. Also, for Gas/oil....because here in the US we're running so low they are putting sediments and water in the gasoline to make the gas gauges in peoples cars read WAAY more gas than there really is. So folks are running on E and getting stranded on the highways when Their Gas gauges read a half full tank. And they said it wasnt a war for gas and oil. My asian ass. |
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Exactly, thats the whole point. Also, for Gas/oil....because here in the US we're running so low they are putting sediments and water in the gasoline to make the gas gauges in peoples cars read WAAY more gas than there really is. So folks are running on E and getting stranded on the highways when Their Gas gauges read a half full tank. And they said it wasnt a war for gas and oil. My asian ass. |
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The bottom line is that the USA went there because of OIL, now they can secure that they will have OIL as long as there is such thing. |
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Well, you know what they say.... 1L of oil = 1L of blood |
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Yup. And now they want a Sub-America to start marketing in. |
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pf did we get oil last time we went ? durrrrrrrr don't beleive so. you make assumptions. |
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my dad is a pretty bigtime lefty, but he made a really good point for why the people in quantanamo really shouldn't be covered by the geneva convention. in a battle soldiers are required to be in uniform. if they are captured they have to provide their captors with their name and their rank. they have to. and by their uniform, their captors are able to tell what side they are on, and their nationality. the terrorists do not have rank, they are not in uniform, and they are not bound by the geneva convention themselves to tell their names. so, we are completely inable to verify who they are, or what side they are on. for that matter, they have no formal side... they have no one who can formally surrender for them. under the geneva convention it is legal to execute spys. these are people who masqarade as someone other than lawfull combatants. these terrorists are somewhere in between. they're not exactly spies... but we are completely unable to verify who they are, who they're fighting for, and if they're ever going to surrender. they weren't following the rules of the geneva convention. they aren't fighting for a government who is a signatory to the geneva convention. so, by all means they shouldn't be covered by the geneva convention. verifying that they are actually terrorists is the hard part. it's a shitty situation any way you look at it. |
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"And now they want a Sub-America to start marketing in." I am glad I live in Albania :) |
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How do you know we didnt? Daddy Bush had some interesting secrets. Which means that you are also making assumptions. |
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I wish I lived in Albania with you. :P |
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Good point. You've addressed the technicality of it. It boils down to morality now. Should they be tortured? |
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absolutely not. it sucks that we're apparently doing that. and it sucks even worse that we're pretending to do something about it, when it looks like the only people who are going to be punished are the ones lowest on the totem pole. |
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And these days OIL is coming much more valuable, and it is a vital thing for a county, specially for the USA. So this way they can make sure that they can get it for a good price, while others pay like hell. What other reasons you think bush had before attacking iraq? terrorism? bah.. it's a good cover story for that |
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altai you proved your stupidity with that last response. now i really gotta go. "peace" dont forget the war in that peace |
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Agreed. You cannot denounce torture and expect to be credible if you do it yourself. That goes for anything. |
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Ok, Seriously guys. I know most of you are intelligent individuals. But while you sit back and take in the ingress information, you falsely build accusations taken largely off assumptions. Almost everything I read in this thread is a personal assumption. Funny. Many of you are from different parts of the world; I love having the opportunity to talk to people from all over at the touch of my fingers. Share ideas, debate, etc. But comon, far too many assumptions. PhystPhukt, "Also, for Gas/oil....because here in the US we're running so low they are putting sediments and water in the gasoline to make the gas gauges in peoples cars read WAAY more gas than there really is. So folks are running on E and getting stranded on the highways when Their Gas gauges read a half full tank. And they said it wasnt a war for gas and oil. " Remind me never to even let you add windshield washer fluid to my car, let alone change my oil. Where you got this is quite...well, conspiracy striken. They are putting water in the gasoline? Uhh, ok. No wonder my car has been getting so much knock retard on the timing lately. Please !!!!!!!!!! I don't know where you get off trying to say this, but hopefully you will chime in to explain this to me. -------------------- altai, "4. War is a fight between TWO army's" Funny...Far too often I see war as a fight between 2 religions. I believe you can check your history books to a few thousand years ago for proof of this. Yes it should be between armies, and not civilians. But last time I checked, the strike that my country brought forth was with quite expensive, and heavily accurate bombs. We didn't randomly carpet bomb the city. Things were strategic and I can show you very very high resolution satellite images to back this up. |
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"I wish I lived in Albania with you. :P" I wish your avatar represented you in any way. q: |
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