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**Note: although this is off topic and controversial i am being serious with what i say and intend for open discussion** This i will never get. Although i make jokes about it to be funny and offensive with my friends at times, people actually have a hobby of collecting such materials. Would this be considered a mental disorder? To be sexually interested in children is quite odd. I mean what makes a 5 year old girl attractive? That makes no sense to me. Why not wait another 13 years for the body to develop and the legality of the situation. Why exploit children to such horrible things? Is there anyone who took a psych class that could share theories and thoughs. |
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I think it's a mental disorder too. |
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Most likely childhood abuse/molestation. Listen to loveline (adam corolla, dr. drew). All your problems are related to what happened in your childhood. But really, they've been doing that show for so long, it's pretty amazing how well they can figure out what's wrong with someone. |
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what defines childhood abuse or molestation? Any sexual activity in childhood or would that be forced? |
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what is a disorder? why do people take ideas, and just because it doesn't conform to a general consensus, it becomes taboo... it becomes disgusting. it becomes a "disorder" why do people think someone of the same sex is attractive? why do people find fucking animations sexier than real people? who knows... but its a fact that it happens. |
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Maybe its a perverted reaction to the peophiles insecurity on older women/men. |
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I find anything that isnt normal to me to be something that is unnatural. I consider myself to be slightly normal. I was wondering if it was. I mean when is the last time you went to the playground and got an erection? |
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15 years ago |
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BLEH! |
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hahahha! Shush it you! :D :p |
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i also question the validity of a "hot" 6 year old, and yes i'm not saying its "normal" however, i'm not saying its a disorder... if you say that, than you could attribute anything that isn't dictated to us through society as a "norm" or a "disorder" |
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there's no such thing as a sexual attraction that isn't natural... to call it a disorder is not really the right word... it's simply another sexual orientation... i'm not saying that people should be permitted to fuck 7 year olds... but if a man wants to watch little children playing on the playground with a telescope... i don't see how he is harming anyone in any way... |
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*as a disorder |
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i heard that the only unnatural sexual attraction is NOT having one. |
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i also question the validity of a "hot" 6 year old meaning what exactly? i dont follow. I think sexually attractive when i say hot. As in fuckable. You can think a 6 year old child is cute or adorable while keeping sexual feelings out of the situation |
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man, why are you picking at what i'm saying... alls i'm saying is that it may be possible for someone to find a 6 year old attractive, however I do not. |
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are we differentiating "attractive" from "fuckable" ? we're talking semantics. |
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no no, dont misunderstand. I typed the words "i dont follow" meaning that i didnt think i clearly understood what you typed. The worst things about Message Boards is the inability to convey emotion. Darn! I never meant to come across as an asshole sorry! :) |
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it's terrible when you sense that there's some sort of misunderstanding and then the other person is no longer around to read/reply... |
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I know! *for future note. I am not judging anyone here or anything but i for one dont understand it.* On the other hand i guess if said paedophile was looking at girls 16-18 (still illegal) i wouldnt really care |
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I don't know, perhaps it's the mental aspect of the children, children are more trusting and less cynical than adults. Perhaps that naiveity and innocence is what they find attractive? I think the view of kiddie fiddlers as weirdos who are unable to interact/mate with people their own age is a dangerous and innaccurate one. A lot of paedophiles who get busted are "successful" career men, many with wives and children of their own. Part of the problem is that it doesn't appear to be a mental disorder, or at least not a curable one... Approaching it from the "lets make them find women their own age attractive" approach is as likely to fail as trying to make a gay man straight. I think part of the problem (although I'm certainly not defending their actions) is that if you genuinely did find children as attractive as you currently find hot women, would you be able to resist? I think the only workable and humane "cure" for it would be to incarcerate them for life somewhere isolated with no children, but where they could work etc. and otherwise function normally. Perhaps like the leper colonies of olden times? Deltoid: An MP3 player can be attractive. Doesn't mean "it's fuckable". |
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i agree that for some i'm sure the appeal can be sociopsychological... where just the fact that it is taboo in a particular manner might be enough for some to be drawn to it sexually... |
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some people are just uncontrollably horny i guess, and are seriously messed up in the head. it's no excuse at all. i mean, they might have those feelings towards a child, but there must be an additional major immorality in their head if they think that acting on those feelings isn't wrong, or that the basic rules of right and wrong don't apply to them. however, right and wrong is not the same to everyone, and maybe in their fucked-up mindset they don't see that what they are doing as wrong. in that case they really should not be let to roam free in society by any means, if they cannot think about what they are doing, and apply that to themselves, by asking the question, "how would i feel if i had to undergo this?" it says a bit about the society and mindset of people as a whole. most don't really consider how their actions affect other individuals and the world. many of these people are just living for entirely selfish reasons, and want to obtain pleasure by any means necessary, no matter how warped their perception, or method of obtaining it is. in general, we might not really have the power to actually or entirely see how our actions hurt those around us, besides faint expressions, what is said, and our imagination's fake portrayal of how it might have felt, but that is nothing compared to actual experience. if someone had the same things they are doing happen to them as a child continually, their perception or idea of love is warped. that may contribute to their blocking out of their conscience and thoughts, because as a child they had to do the same, they had to either block out in their mind to what had happened to them, and try to forget, or in a way, accept it as the first and maybe only form of (sexual) "affection" they ever experienced. they may acknowledge that what happened to them was entirely wrong, but they cant forget the fact that it was their probably their first sexual experience. if the abuse was caused by a parent or a loved one it might set into the child's mind |
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if the abuse was caused by a parent or a loved one it might set into the child's mind that they could still love or be loved by someone, but also be abused and violated by them. even if a paedophile had past sexual abuse as a child, it doesn't at all justify their actions, but it can make it a little more understandable. i think a lot of this is a cyclic, and being abused as a child could really ruin someone's life and sexuality, but it can never justify any actions that harm another person just for their own gratification. |
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to deadeight and Ceri: I completely agree with your post ceri. I mean think about it. If you are a paedophile you get treated like an outcast and or a monster. The media portrays it as "preying on small children". Does anyone stop to ask them why? Or talk to them about it. Gosh in todays society you'd have balls to bring that one up. |
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there's groups of people who get turned on by anything you can possibly think of. puke, piss, dead people, little kids, big tits, small tits, other dudes, money, ect... everything. i think this is more of a question of what do you label a "dissorder", and what just falls into the 'different strokes for different folks' category. |
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i'd say it's only a disorder if them acting on their feelings hurts or is harmful to another person or animal. |
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we should distinguish between child rapist and paedophile... i don't think anyone would defend the actions of a child rapist anymore than they would defend the actions of a murderer... there is a clear breach of another person's rights in that case... but someone who just has a collection of pictures or something...someone who doesn't act on those feelings beyond voyeuristic tendencies... i don't see why they should be persecuted... |
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well, creating the pornography was harmful to a child somewhere. why should that not be considered wrong because multiple people are getting off because of it? in my mind people who collect those images aren't much less evil than those who took the pictures. they are creating a demand for it, and paying and rewarding people for doing it, or are possibly helping the spread of it on the internet. |
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by that logic you could send us all to jail for the horrible abuses which we incur to children in third world countries for many many products that we consume... |
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Unfortunately, it's Taboo to even discuss it, so there's unlikely to be sensible political debate on the matter. :/ Epohs: Yes, I was doing about child porn in law a couple of weeks back, fortunately, the court recognises that you need to exercise control and not treat the population as a whole as deviants. For example, foot fetishes are relativley common, but that doesn't mean we should make shoe catalogues 18-rated or ban foot painting in infant schools. My personal view, is that at least some of the "attraction" to what can reasonably be consider deviant behaviour (scat, rape fantasy, etc.) is the very fact it is forbidden. It's the being naughty, going against society, etc. which provides at least some of the thrill. |
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The courts in almost all countries, take the same view- creating (be it drawing/rendering photo-realistic depictions of children in sexual acts or taking pictures) is far more serious an offence than consumption. |
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This is a very tough topic to me. I know personally a number of people that are going out with underage girls. I am 21 and a number of my friends are either that or 20. But if they see a 16 year old that is illegal to an extent. Hard debate. I know with them that they arent seeking underage sexual partners but i recently met a number of girls that are 16, 17 that are quite awesome girls. These gentlemen would be considered criminals for that. It's not like that. hmm i miss my silly pointless threads |
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as far as going out with someone a few years younger who happens to be underage... well it really varies from case to case... there's no line you can draw, where after a certain age you can be certain that someone is sexually mature... there are 16 year olds who are more well suited for going out with 21 year olds than 21 year olds who go out with 26 year olds... |
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It still stands; if you are 21 going out with a 16 year old; you suck. 'a number of 16-17 year olds who are pretty awesome'? Damn. I'd say that is a 1 in 10,000 chance to meet just one. Girls should be seperated from society from age 13-18. They are so fucking dumb and annoying. /rant |
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I know the age of consent differs from country to country, but here we have three "bands". The one everyone knows about is 16+ for consensual, straight sex. However: 18+ for homosexual activity between men (amusingly, thanks to Queen victoria, lesbianity isn't recognised under UK law! A bit like female instigated rape isn't...) or if you're in a position of trust with an individual of the opposite sex (e.g. a teacher, scout leader, religious leader etc.). Also, under 13s are far more serious (in terms of sentencing) an offence than under 16s, particularly if the adult is over 21. There's talk of changing this as some paedophiles cynically exploit this and make a point of targetting girls just as they turn 13. There's also two more criteria, but I can't remember whether these are law or if it was just proposed, so don't quote me: 21+ for consensual homosexuality between a man and another man, one of whom is in a position of trust to the other, eg a lecturer, etc. 18+ for consensual anal intercourse, between a straight couple. Fun Fact: The legal age of consent in each country has no reflection on when the average citizen loses their virginity. In Spain for example, the age of consent is comparatively low (is it 12/14? I can't remember...), yet the average age for loss of virginity is 18/19. Whereas, in Britain, where the age of consent is higher, the average age of virginity loss is considerably lower. |
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thank you for that fun fact |
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I do know that there are many countries that differ from the US. I like getting different view points on such topics! Thanks for taking the time to type that out! :) |
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You have to compare the two societies though and their different values on such things. |
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well then, why don't we all go to jail for just knowing that there are children starving in those countries? one is probably dieing right now as you read this. at least by buying a product made by them they might be getting a few cents, maybe enough to barely live off of. i don't know how many products that i use daily are from actual slave labour.. and i don't really see what that has to do with a child pornography-a child most likely being forcibly photographed nude or in sexual pose/situation in order for the photographer to make money, or to have it spread among many people who enjoy that type of thing. would you think that a nude picture of you as a child floating around the internet could cause no more harm to you?.. is it just the initial flash of the shutter that causes the pain? i know that it's horrible what happens to children in the sweatshops and such, but it's beyond the control of our country's laws. we cannot circumvent the ways of other nations, other than by giving up our own commodities. I'd think that if one of us was in the position of a third-world country's child you would do the same as those children. You'd do the work and get paid your daily nickel, because it is all you can have. the corporations are just taking advantage of the labour of people who would be dying anyway. if you want a better life for those dying children, the only thing you can do is give your money to a charity and hope that it reaches them, or fly your own ass to their country and give it to them yourself. unless you organise a total complete boycott of the products that are manufactured by children in third-world countries, it will do next to nothing. if you and 1000 friends around the world stop supporting wal-mart it would probably just make the prices end up becoming lower and lower in a ploy to get more poor or cheap people to shop there. as a result the wages paid to the children would just get paid less and less. |
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What, like in some states in America age of consent is 21, whilst in others you can get married at 12? :P |
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Age of consent can be 16 or 17> It depends on the state. In my state anything under 16 is a Class C felony. |
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I thought age of consent was 18 (at least I was pretty sure it was 21 in others) in some states. I saw a documentary a couple of years ago and the age you could get married (so, presumably, have sex as well) was 12! They were showing some class where these girls were learning "housewife skills" like knitting, child care and cooking, etc. |
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As an aside, I think age of consent will be standardised in law all around the "civilised" world in the not too distant future. I mean, can you imagine a married 16/17 year old couple (yes, they do exist) go to another state or country and find they're not allowed to sleep together there? |
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I'm offended! :O |
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-i'm not denying the futility of boycotting wal-mart... what i'm saying is that it's being rather selective to punish someone for having pictures which financially support the propagation of child pornography, but not to punish someone for having a financial hand in similar atrocities against humanity that is attached to something more normal in society... furthermore one is presupposing that one actually paid for said pornography, when i'm sure that it's possible to acquire such materials without paying (if you can find beastiality porn on kazaa, i'm certain you can find anything)... -not that i want to get into it... but i think you're view of how child labor and the industries to which it is attached is rather skewed... these countries have had poverty-creating conditions imposed on them by the multinational corporations into their communities... you can't consider yourself as somehow saving these children by supporting the companies that abuse their labor... (not to mention the fact that i'm also referring to the indirect crime that we are involved in which has led to death: for example gas companies with their own private militaries to defend their resources, etc.) |
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r@ygold style anyone? |
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There's evidence to suggest that the prevalence of easily available child pornography on things like kazaa means that people look out of "morbid curiosity", get hooked (or discover they're a paedophile, depending on your point of view) and then turn to "pay for" sites and even abusing kids themselves. The number of paedophiles is rising and sadly, it's not just a case of more of them being caught. I think the issue of third world poverty is a seperate one and bringing it up here merely clouds the issue. There is exploitation (which happens in all society) and then there is robbing a child of their innocence and mentally damaging them for life. They're not the same things... |
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i guess it's just what you call a fetish, so a strange preference, but since it's bad for children one shouldnt give in to it. (period) so that's period when they say they're up for it (because they're developing still and cant judge wether it'll be bad for them). also you shouldnt watch it, just watch barely legals, or shaven teens or boobless chicks and small dicked boys: use your imagination |
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Unlike the Dirty Sanchez, a certain "fetish" where hopefully both participants are mutually consensual, pedophilia is extremely dangerous and harmful to a child. Unlike adult relationships, where both parties have an understanding of their sexual identity and values, an adult-child relationship consists of a party bereft of any sort of sexual concept. A friend of mine becaume sexually active at a young age (early teens), and the outcome of which greatly affected her self-esteem and self-respect. She wanted her older friends to like her, and because of the immature experience with sexual intimacy, she associated being "liked" with being "desired". Of course, this concept led to the sort of "bedfellows" who only viewed her as a sexual object. Her past experiences have left her emotionally scarred and frail, with a distorted sense of self-respect and dignity. From this, I can only imagine the consequences of pedophilia worsen with the younger age of the child and severity of the sexual abuse. Child pornography is extremely harmful, period. Child pornography which depicts children being sexually molested or abused is obviously vile and illegal. Child pornography which features children in a "provocative" context is similarly harmful to a child in the sense that they being transformed into sexual objects. This type of pornography creates an atmosphere for the pedophile that these feelings/acts/desires are socially acceptible, which they most definitely are not. |
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