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does anyone else get really irked because everything they do sounds like another musician.. namely afx, squarepusher, boc, ae.. etc... even though the possibilities for electronic music are virtually endless.. it seems like anything worthwhile that you can do has already been mastered by someone else at least 5 years ago.. and anything that you try to make in a similar style just sounds like a 3rd rate, blatant rip-off.. the only originality today, it seems, is from certain, somewhat guarded techniques.. but the musicians rely on those techniques too much.. so much that those techniques get intertwined and eventually associated with "lesser" commercial "crap" music.. take for example, what aphex did with "drill-ish" percussion sounds.. i'm not saying he was the only to ever to do what he did, but he put a few songs of his on television advertisements and now you see that style so blatantly ripped off everywhere, but with additional large portions of cheesiness and annoying catchiness.. i guess what u want to know is, what do you do to avoid the pitfalls of including the so-overly used modern electronic clichés in your music, without sounding like some kinda ancient electronic stuff, and also then still have an original, inventive sound? |
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err.. u=i.. yep.. |
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I know what you mean. I listened to the 6 track vinyl version of "Swarm and Dither" by Hrvatski, and it kinda pisses me off. It sounds so dated and his influences are soooo obvious. On the other hand, there are artists who ARE influenced, but at the same time are bringing something new. Martin Horntveth from Jaga Jazzist for example. Influenced by Afx & Sqp, no doubt, but it still sounds fresh. Recommended! |
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i'll check his stuff out. thanks |
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Yes, Q, I feel this way a lot of the time. :\ It pushes you, though. |
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you should not worry about 'being original'. it is certain death within ANY field of art. just make what you like to make, then we can worry about whether it's THE HOT NEW THING!!!11!!!! later. |
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that said, when I hear something really intricate and beautiful, like any later Phoenecia, it can have the power to put me off. autechre also does that to me. but then I shrug and get on with it. :) |
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That is the way I tend to look at things. I think doing what you like takes more importance over trying excessivley to do something "original". (that is not a personal critisism towards Q.) |
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I've known other people who have said to me "I really want to mask my influences, that's the last thing I want people to hear." Who the fuck cares? Just get on with it. |
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indeed. best way to learn is to first emulate and then to find your own style. |
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Exactly what i think too. |
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Yep. I try really hard to make something that's not necessarily unique but doesn't sound like a ripoff and I fail. Everytime. |
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its a tightrope spud! |
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You have to try and bring something old into the new frame and make it sound cool. Like perhaps metal with drum and bass. Not a lot of that has been done at all and if done well I'm sure would sound cool. I think of the whole chip tunes revolution with sites such as Micromusic.net and labels such as Irdial etc. That was fresh and came out of no where. It wasn't massively or overtly influenced by Aphex or whatever but generally by techno/electronic music but it sounded cool. That has been a fresh sound. You have to think of a genre and mash it with another one to make it sound fresh. For instance I don't think a lot of serious mash up dsp style rap tracks have been attempted yet and that could sound cool. Or bluegrass with drum and bass or something that'd be a wicked mix. Don't hear really any noveau blue grass stylee tracks and I really love the vibe of blue grass. |
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the only secret is to not try too hard.. otherwise it will sound like something rehashed :) just keep it you |
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i've yet to hear anything that sounds like my music. HA! i win. i think it might be because nobody in their right mind would make the shit i make. or maybe i'm a toaster. |
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been called a few things after live situations heheheheheh |
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you dont wanna be my toaster, youd have your fill of burned rice crackers |
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i don't make electrronic music. but i'm crrap on my guitarr. i come up with a cool idea, then put an album on frrom 5 yearrs ago and think FUCK! that is wherre i got that idea frrom. |
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requires a Lot of spare time :] |
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Everyone borrows from everyone else, it's how jazz evolved, it's how all music evolved. Beethoven "stole" TONS of stuff from earlier baroque and classical period musicians. Herbie Hancock wasn't the first to add electronic elements to jazz. Aphex Twin obviously listened to tons of the classics... Eric Satie, John Cage, etc, etc. Right now I'm TRYING to imitate them. I figure if I can do what they do, then I'm on the right track. You learn tricks and you change them in subtle ways to give them your own sound. And as an addendum... pop music steals everything even more. Think about the difference. Pop music blatantly rips off everyone else, note for note, beat for beat. You are putting in some portion of originality and thought. I've heard a couple of your tracks mate, and I don't think you have anything to worry about... keep up the good work, and strike down those who get in your way with great vengence |
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damn man i hear that. i have absolutely no inspiration lately at all. that's why i've been doing remixing. my creative juices are very dry as of late - hopefully some remixes will get my fountain juicing again. and wow! that made absolutely no sense. :P |
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well. *shrugs* i dunno. for the moment it doesn't really cross my mind. and actually, now that i do, if i could make a four track ep the same caliber as cichlisuite, well. i don't think i'd be alive much longer. my heart couldn't take it. sooooo delicious. maybe once i get more into it and feel that "technically" i'm a capable "musician" then i'll get worried about "my own sound". or something. *shrugs* for the moment i'm happy enough when something sounds halfway alright. =] |
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i think the most important thing is if you're satisfied with the music you're making. |
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Exactly. I just make my small experiments and record them. It's all been done before, most of the time even before I was born. It's like the guitarist who refused to play in LA because there was 2000 people in the crowd thinking, I can do that 10 times better. It's not about if you can do it better or be more original all the time. The question is are you doing it? Are you making music and enjoying it? |
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couldn't have put it better myself. NOTHING is original anymore - get over it and enjoy what you do. :D |
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thanks for all the replies.. you all make some great points.. like the fact stated that basically all music borrows from what came before it.. especially in melody.. and i don't think that makes music any worse to listen to.. even though someone has probably done the same chord/melody progression, you can do it in a much different way and give it new emotion and energy.. but what i was originally intending to point out is when it comes to rhythmic stuff.. you really have to be a true innovator to be able to do something with your percussion that would let people instantly think "oh that is such and such" when they hear it.. to me it seems like maybe some new advanced methods of music creation need to be introduced to help us all find some new ideas, not just for the sake of "being different because it's the thing to do" , but because it's what most of us really like about electronic music.. that there is some new sound out there that is slightly unattainable, that you just have to push to achieve.. and much of that depends on technology, like in many other style of music.. i guess i am really just waiting for new music to make me go "holy shit.. how the fuck did they manage to do that?" instead of just imagining how i could relatively easily imitate what they do.. maybe the fact that we can all easily imitate our electronic heroes is a good thing, but to me a great deal of the appeal of this music is it's, more or less mysteriousness, and boundary pushing.. okay i'll stop babbling now.. |
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i would dispense with notions of "good" or "bad" music, or "lesser commercial crap" music, and recognize that there is music that you like, and music that you don't like. when you say "anything worthwhile that you can do" don't you mean "music within styles or genres that you appreciate?" working within any style or genre means that you will dispense to some degree with originality. why even feel pressured to be an "innovator"? the *most* popular music that afx, boc, squarepusher make is in pop styles, and is not avant garde, not experimental. they get more credit for innovation than they deserve. you may not consider it "commercial," but *most* of it is designed to appeal to listeners. the music is not compromised because that's the music that afx, boc and squarepusher like. make music that you enjoy, and refuse to take that process and enjoyment for granted. don't forget the perils of fashion. people complain about supposed ripoffs of boc, (medicine drum, am-boy, freescha, casino vs japan), while at the same time the mind numbing cliches of blues music are repeated ad nauseum without much criticism. to expand your pallete, try on some non electronic music... indian classical music. master musicians of jajouka. "apolcalypse across the sky" is their best. the shaggs "who are parents," such a classic. gyorgy ligeti try the 2001:a space odyssey soundtrack john taverner "dum transisset sabbatum" early renaissance choral music with an uncommon purity. |
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i havnt botherd to read all of the posts i glanced but the way i see it is there is only 12 notes in an octave (i think please correct if wrong) and with all music programs acessable with *cough*kazaa then things are going to repeat the worst thing i think about is that the person who should be changing music is probley workin in an irrelevant job and never had the oportunity to sit in front of a synth or pc |
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have you ever started a track ..then realized, "hey this sounds like [artist]!" then (un?)consciously tried to make a track that that particular artist would've done.. ie you try to make it sound like that artist..almost as a way of deciphering technique? I have. but I guess if in the end it doesnt sound like you've ripped them off at all it doesnt really matter do you knwo what I'm talking aobut? (I'm sure you do, as this genre's artists employ some tricky techniques and softwares to make their music.. so it may all be a part of that learning process) |
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no. |
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i just try to make shit musically different since i don't really have the technology to be an innovator at all. i don't even know who i'm ripping off. |
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