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organized religion is a puppetmaster seperation of church and state is a farce. it's all the same thing: CONTROL |
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buddhism is undoubtly the best of all beliefs |
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best for you? excellent |
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And I quote myself: "I don't support ridiculing christians or any other religion" |
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And it's fully not the same thing at all anyway. 1) you can be private about your religion much easier than you can about a disability, race, even sexuality. 2) Religion is a choice. |
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omg why does every thread on religion inevitabely turn into a slag fest |
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Oh please don't tell me that a christian could be any more oppressed or prejudiced than an atheist in this world. I won't even mention being an atheist at work, where people will have no problems using biblical quotes or something like "Have Faith In Jesus" as a screensaver. What about roadside billboards talking about how Jesus loves me? Do you think an atheist campaign of some sort could ever get away with posting billboards saying "the bible is fiction?" Who's prejudice against who, then? |
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i said NOTHING of the sort.....what i'm saying is picking on someone whether it be race, religion, sexual orientation, etc....is PREJUDICE. and i'm just tried of seeing it brought up, over and over and over again by the SAME peepz because they wanna feel superior. i don't start threads about things (like religion, like drugs, like politics) that DIVIDE, because it's been talked to DEATH. i just would like to have conversations without the need to have to defend my beliefs because someone thinks i'm brainwashed and can't think for myself.....can you understand that? btw.....i don't care what religion anyone does or DOES NOT belong to, it's a personal choice. what i do oppose is BASHING people's belief systems, whatever they are, that help them get through life. there is really ENOUGH tearing down of people in day to day life .... i wish we could all just agree to disagree and leave it at that. =/ |
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I said that I don't support bashing any religions. I just pointed out that it is also quite different from gay bashing or racism. Please read my thread again, and stop getting mad at me, cos I'm delicate. |
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thread meaning post |
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i'm not mad at you.......i'm just tired of hashing and rehashing things. and just forget the point i was trying to make cos i'm DONE with this topic....whewwwww |
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hmm well i must say that i appreciated the level headed start that marlowe provided to this topic. i was inspired to talk |
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everyone should question their place in life and the validity of their beliefs. christian or not, if you follow anything blindly, you will stay blind. |
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agreed |
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i dont think people have to believe that everything has a place, now im thinking about it.. hmm no no reason! although it is a good thing i believe, its ultimately not necessary.. ahh got it! the truth in monotheism is just that - because of ones devotion, they become spiritual :) |
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taken me long enough to understand the truth in monotheism :) fantastic! |
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I would just like to point out that some of the religious people on the board would rather, it seems, impugn the personalities, motives and emotions of the non religious than address the substance of their statements. |
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aren't spiritualism and organized religion like comparing apples and oranges? aren't organized religions like music: everyone is doing basiclly the same thing in their own way? |
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This thread is now funny. The same couple of people spouting the same thing at different people. READ PEOPLE'S POSTS! |
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you're all going to hell you communist bastards. |
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If there is a hell, I'll see you there. |
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Comparing what this thread initially started as, (ie tracing some of the myths imposed on 'Jesus Christ' and showing their earlier usage) to racism, homophobia etc, is just a total breakdown of logic. They do not compare. It's not PREJUDICE, it's not negativity to pass on information regarding EXACT SAME rites that were used PRIOR to Christianity and are used in Christianity now. And which are historical and socio-anthropological truths. It's well and good to quote Voltaire, and up to a point his quote is accurate. But it's generalised, whilst I'm dealing with something specific here, something that has been documented for millenia, something whose evolution can be plainly traced. |
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If you look at the New Testament closely there really only one clear and universally comprehensible expression of Jesus' philosophy/teaching: the Lord's Prayer. Why would you need to know more? Doctrinal quibbles simply alienate people from the simplicity of Christ's message as do, in my opinion, political and instituinal organisations such as the catholic church (the orthodox chruch is different as the religious authority is nation based and not centred on a single power suhc as the vatican). All mysteries/philsophical arguments/discussions on the nature of christ and god are just unecessary extras to this fundemental speech. Who agrees? Who disagrees? |
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What about the ? That's pretty foundational to his message too, moreso than the lord's prayer methinks. |
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yeah, but i think the lord's prayer (which of course is part of the sermon) captures the essence of what the guy wanted to say in a concise form. |
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not like his said it in English tho, is it. So the prayer we English-speaking folk say is not what he said - merely a TRANSLATION. It's pretty dumb to follow a Religion when your Holy Book is all translation. |
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That's my major beef with the Bible. It's a damn translation! |
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Name me one holy book as important as the bible that hasn't been modified throughout the ages! |
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... and your point being? |
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ok, so i'm being "dumb"? thanks, glad to know you think so highly of me. obviously i agree that translations lose a little bit of the original meaning each time, but the people translating it have been holymen. i'm not saying they were incorruptable, but with a few exceptions (the king james edition of the bible, which is now something of a novelty) it's been very trustworthy people doing these translations and in modern time great efforts have been made to produce an error-free translation of the original bible. so even though i agree that when you change a text to another language the meaning is lot, and multiple translations are subject to some meaning corruption, intended and unintended, i hardly think i'm being "dumb" finding wisdom in the bible. and before someone says it, no, i don't believe the bible word-for-word. |
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ok, and it's not prejudice to go up to a group of people, half of which are black, and start giving them statistics about their racial inferiority in certain aspects of life? or to criticize their culture and history? the statistics and facts may be true but it sure is rude and backwards of you. you really should learn to love and accept people for who they are. why should you give a flying FUCK if people choose to be one religion or another? what does it have to do with you? |
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the same as what I said had to do with you, I imagine. btw, it's not even one translation the Bible has been through. The Old Testement is a collection of diverse texts from all over the middle east stretching back thousands of years and translated many times before being thrown together and put into the bible. |
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No it's not prejudice if it's for the means of informing and giving people knowledge. It would be if you went: "Now listen here you coon..... so you're worthless and shit and I think you should just fuck off. That would be prejudice. Merely stating something is not. Marlowe's initial post was merely stating some knowledge and not judging anyone or anything. He could quite easily have found some facts about catholocism. |
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Don't forget Fundamentalists know everything, chris |
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my main issue w/ religion is how everyone tells me so much about it - when they know i dont give a sideways shit... leave me alone religious, misguided, gullible person |
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I always forget that. :) |
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That shit you typed about picking on people would not be prejudice it would be discrimination. Prejudism is the judging of people or situations before proper opinion could possibly have been formed, racism is a form of of prejudice but not the only one...however there are a lot of people on this board guilty of predilection. If you went up to a group of black people and start explaining shit to them because you assumed they are too stupid to know otherwise then you are being prejudice, if you go up to genuinely engage in conversation and they have no objections then there isn't a damn thing wrong with it. It has got to the stage were the majority of people don't have a clue what racism is any more, where merely the mention of race or ethnicity has become in itself a dirty thing. If you beleive in freedom of speech and the respecting of others opinions then you have to accept not everyone will hold the same views as you. If you don't beleive in free speech and thought you are no better than every radical oppressive leader world wide. I shouldn't smoke weed in the morning should I :D! |
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a trip to a homeless mission |
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to EVERYONE in this thread: this thread needs to be closed its just kind of proved why the world has had religious wars... we cant even talk about religion in an innocent way (marlowes initial post was NOT attacking or criticizing of christians AT ALL... it was merely informing people of some FACTS) without it turning into an all out argument. persuing this conversation will not achieve anything. You will not change each others beliefs. You will just get more pissed off at the other people for not beleiving the same thing as you. Turn away... turn away. |
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Stop it. You spammed enough and your repeated attempts at preventing theologicaldiscussions will not be successful :P Besides poeples true colours often come out when the converse in anger :D |
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god shall smote this thread. |
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marlowes initial post was NOT attacking or criticizing of christians AT ALL... it was merely informing people of some FACTS you're not familiar with the concept of "subtext" are you? |
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Paul is very good at eliciting strong response through seemingly innocent prose. He has done it to me a few times :D |
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i am accepting of all religions, genders, races, and cultures. (if you read between the lines that says "nuke the world, i hate everything") |
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Hey cool, an argument about religion :P I haven't read all of this topic, mainly because I can't be bothered, so I'll just say that religion is a millstone around the neck of humanity and the sooner we ditch it, the quicker we can evolve. |
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just like youre not familiar with the concept of "being a condesending dick to people all of the time... but then suddenly cant handle it when people condesend you" ? yeah? |
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"LOL!" |
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Damn that is nearly a knock out blow :D |
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really? i found it pretty predictable, nothing he hasn't said to me before. so are we going to have it out now, zeus replies, i say something back, you cheer him on like the little bitch you are, someone intervenes to point out how stupid this is, etc.? is that what you want, freakshow? |
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Yes - I was shit stirring, I love a to watch a good message board bitch slap :D |
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