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how ironic... |
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I don't know it I really believe in God, or Jesus, but I do know the Christian church here, where I am, makes this a better place for almost everyone here, that's good enough for me... for now. The only way anyone is going to be RIGHT about a topic like this is when they die, then they can see where they end up. |
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it would be desirable, travis, if you would cease to fill in blanks which are not there. I am married to a Christian and I do not consider her stupid or inferior. I myself was brought up a Catholic, and have studied Religion for some years. Because I said that Faith is a thing easily manipulated, does not mean you can logically imply that I consider Christians to be lowly and dumb. |
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a topic like what? this isn't a topic attacking Religion. This was a thread started to throw illumination on certain Christian Rites, on their roots and how they came into being. This is not a thread saying 'There is no God' or 'There is a God'. |
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Oh I don't mean THIS topic in particular, just the whole, ''is religion full of bullshit or not? Are we all misinformed fools?" thing. I'm pretty neutral. I do know I really like communion bread. |
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mistahkurtz, i don't have anything against the french at all, except their tendency to reply to the wrong people. i've even been known to quote the french, with mixed results. marlowe, you take everything so seriously and then someone is supposed to know you're being "light hearted," and then you say they are being an "anal cunt"? honestly, i wasn't bothered that you replied nitpicking and insulting, but you're not exactly supporting your contention that you are "light hearted." why the hypersensitivity to minor criticism? perhaps you'd like to seek answers to your persistent inner conflict at our bible study this evening? |
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when I called you an Anal Cunt, I was again being light-hearted - if you don't know when I'm being serious and when I'm being light-hearted, that's too bad. And no, I don't think I'll join you in your bible study this evening. Would you care to join me in my Talmud Study Class tomorrow night? |
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you pay for the cab, pal, i'll be there. i think some people tend to throw the words "anal cunt" around more lightly than i am used to. i would rather you just informed me that i had mistaken your tone than be called an "anal cunt" though. sorry for the misunderstanding, though... |
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Don't worry about it. Lots of people miss the light-hearted aspect of my character because I don't go 'Boom Boom' or 'J/K' at the end. That is intentional, because it puts the onus on them to decipher the intent. It's just a little fun for me in my infirmity. |
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hummmm i see preaching of a different sort all over here, as well as psuedo-intellectual babble.....sad i too find it 'funny' that the one's that so vehemently deny there is a God, keep bringing it up.....seems like they can't deal with others having their OWN belief system. btw.....all these FACTS are easily found in any encycopedia....and are nothing new to me. people aren't as uninformed as you suppose. btw....men are impefect, when they put their fingers in things.....you get good and bad consequences. and those are da FACTS! |
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I haven't read any of the shit anyone else typed but Christianity is a bullshit control method. A religion founded upon others ideas. I was reading an interesting thing about how the story of Noah and his Ark is nothing more than a Christian version of an ancient story which is prevalent in most major beleifs since the dawn of time. Christian religions have just taken the good work of a very important freedom fighter and used his work as the bases for resticting freedom. A man who gave up his life for his beliefs, only to have himself used as the basis for more oppression. |
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This thread wasn't directed personally at you, you know LeCoeur - I wasn't saying 'That LeCoeur is well uninformed'. There are plenty of people around to whom this information is new. And who has been going around saying 'There is no God'? That has nothing to do with this thread, as I priorly stated. And why is anything I said, or most of what else has been said here, pseudo-intellectual babble? To me, it's a documentation of part of one particular religion's rites - it's not pseudo-intellectual, and it's not babble - it's a mere statement of what came prior to the Jesus Myth (and it is partly just an extension of a myth). I never denied the existence of God, I never denied the existence of the one the Greeks named 'Jesus Christ'. And, as far as I can recall, the remainder of this thread did not concern itself with religion bashing, apart from a couple of questions and some non-serious banter as is to be expected in any conversation involving a largish group of people. So I don't understand why you are patronising several members here with your condescension. |
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There is only one true religion and that is of the howler monkeys...you just praise by sitting in a tree howling, I don't know what it is praising though as I don't speak the language too well :( |
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sowwie to rain on your parade marl's, SPREAD THE WORD!! believe what you will.....and give me the OPTION of believing what i want. |
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But you have elected to believe in someones elses package of beliefs. |
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it's good to discuss such things wether you agree or not. the way i look at it is that i may not agree with marlowe, but i can take what he is saying and question my beliefs (which is a good thing to me) and then as a result make my faith stronger or re examine how i feel. im sure all aspects of religion are not true, well just look at how many are out there.. but hey if following a religions helps people to follow a good moral code of loving one and other and treating eachother kindly then it can't be too bad. it's when you believe something blindly and refuse to question it, then it can be misleadng.. if that last point makes sense? |
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absolutely it's good to have open dialogue. but tell me, if you were black or gay or disabled how would you like to be constantly bombarded with literature on how you're a waste of life when you just want to talk about music and such? obviously no one's saying christians are a waste but it's still a completely inappropriate and unprompted negative campaign to belittle people who follow the faith. |
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We all have our own way of ''believing'', I'm not some die-hard Christian who does EVERYTHING I'm told and had my faith handed to me all wrapped up with a bow. I deviate from some of their ideas, I think for myself. I even... masturbate... *lightning My beliefs aren't really the church's package, but I like some of the aspects of what they teach, some of the values... I also disagree with some of them. So I believe what I want to, and I consider myself a Christian. |
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you ABSOLUTELY make sense!! question things, research things, thats something i encourage for anything you wanna know about. what i don't like is people telling me what a CHUMP i am for believing what i believe. CONTRARY to what they think, i'm not buying someone elses OLD NEWS. like ophecks said....in the end all questions will be finally answered. |
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jay.....dont forget to SHAVE your palms!!! =b |
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But the various splinter factions of Christianity all tell you it is an all or nothing deal. There is nothing wrong with looking to historical figures for guidence, but if you choose to do it, but to do so blindely, without trying to establish the full story behind, what is given by some as fact, is foolish. |
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i agree, unfortunately ive come to accept that such things will generally always occur on this board. |
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conformity without question; one of my worst natural enemies. |
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*squints Shave my what? My pears? Geez, I think I need glasses. Ec- And I don't follow Jesus, really... just his message. My priest has more of an impact than he does... that mofo tells some GREAT stories at mass, relating to the bible, ''real life'', whatever. It does nothing but good. He's not leading us astray or anything, or pulling the wool over our eyes. I know there's historical inconsistencies, maybe some propaganda of sorts... it just never really mattered to me. The only experiences I have with Christianity are positive ones. I'm not blind, I can pick out the bullshit from the good stuff. It might have/does cause some problems outside of my little bubble, but that's not Jesus Christ, that's humanity, that's everybody, of every faith. |
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still ironic |
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why don't you say what you mean or is everyone that finds that comment witty just not posting? |
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my father is a minister... and growing up, i had always been a believer... in everything that the bible had said. true faith... belief in something i could never see. one day, he took me aside and told me that he doesn't believe in what the bible says, that he only relies in the morality and ethics within it. it was from that point on that my faith died. it's almost surreal to remember the exact point in your life when you lost your faith. |
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at the same time i truly understand faith and belief... i believe in the future, i know i can't see it... but i know its inevitable, i guess thats just about the POV in faith maybe? |
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titsworth i think it's unfair to take an intellectual discussion about religious origins and label it as a bash on christianity. but tell me, if you were black or gay or disabled how would you like to be constantly bombarded with literature on how you're a waste of life when you just want to talk about music and such? part of what makes a messageboard entertaining is the variety of topics discussed. if every single thread was "AFX RULES" or "HOORAY FOR AE" it would get old VERY fast. i checked the top of the page and the title of the thread is 'some truths about jesus christ'. clicking that link, you HAD to know what the topic was going to be. the option to read the topic or not is in your hands. if i was black and saw a thread labeled "niggaz steal tv's" i probably would choose not to read it. and my thoughts on life death and everything are the following: when you go to sleep and dream, there may be 10, 20 people in your dreamworld all seemingly thinking independently with their own ideas and opinions and dialogue and choices. are we god when we go to bed? or is god in bed right now? that's all the thought i really bother to put to it. i think the kinds of people that need a religion or need a belief system to explain what's before and after life would make excellent psychologists because they believe there's an explanation for everything. i'm too open minded to really make any judgements, which is probably why i'm leaning towards the crazy dream idea. i think if i can make it till my death without killing anybody i should be good. anyone who reads my post and sees it as saying "christians are scum" than you are truly a closed minded fanatic that will live an empty life. |
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Titsworth, are you on some sort of crusade against short posts? We don't all have to type a minimum of 50 words in order to get a point across and sometimes we just don't feel like being eloquent. The lengh of posts is no proof of any intellectual superiority but i get the impression that you seem to think it is. Why this condescending attitude towards the brief? You're a Christian, you should appreciate the value of simplicity eh? |
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Word? |
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I'm glad I don't read these threads. |
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did you read my little funny in a post on a tracks called 'an eye for an eye', i asked wether someone knew the track 'turn the other cheeck', only i typed song instead of track and people might have thought i wasnt kidding |
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Fuck me this thread is getting hot. I'm going to take off all my clothes. I love the way that people clearly aren't reading each others posts. Certain people are just saying the same thing again and again. It gets tedious to see people repeating themselves then someone acts if they can't read what's written. They get a bee in their bonnet and just go off. Fucking hell this pisses me off. I can see why religion has caused so many wars now. Anyone with a shred of intelligence can see, from Marlowes first post, that he's sharing something that he's read and founf interesting. I for one found that interesting as everyday my boss is trying to convert me to Christianity. Much of what he says is contradictory to what he's said before. He says one thing and then a while later says something that goes completely against it. He so blindly follows what the bible says that he can't for one second think about what he's saying/regurgitating. What I hate is his highly homophobic standpoint. This insults me a lot. Not because I'm gay but because I have close friends who are. To him all gay people are the Devils work. He interprets the bible one way and that way is all that matters. I'm probably just rambling here and making no sense. I just wanted to say how much it pisses me off that some people leap to defend something they believe in without even reading/listening to what someone has said........ It's sad. |
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If God wanted everyone to be Christians he wouldn't contact us through a book. The problem is that books are up for interpretation and MANY people forget that fact. So when I see a group of christians (i'm not talking about anyone here... yet) and they all believe the EXACT same thing on EVERY ASPECT of the bible, i really wonder if those people have even read the bible or if their beliefs we're just spoonfed to them. |
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"Miracles" are not possible, resurrection, water into wine, whatever...if we're taking as read that these were all historical human figures we should at least acknowledge this... I mean y'know, Shankly and Paisly worked "miracles" at LFC in the 70s and 80s...but not ACTUAL miracles, for Cliff's sake! ;-) |
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I don't understand why Christians get so upset when someone questions their worldview. Is it not fair game to debate ideas? Socialism versus free market capitalism versus anarchism? Windows versus Linux? Theism versus atheism? And don't give me the old line about how we should stick to music. Everything from drugs to politics to movies to sexuality gets discussed here. |
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The homophobic thing never sat right with me either... I have no gay friends, at all. They simply don't exist here in the circles that I go round with. That's because they'd be ridiculed or terrorised by the close-mindedness of certain people I know. They simply detest gay people because they find it disgusting (you can literally see an image of a cock entering a bloke's arse pop in their head when they talk about homosexuality). But as narrow minded and homophobic as these people are, they feel this way because they personally find it disgusting (because like, they're too butch n stuff and only think of pussy etc). They don't think it's wrong because a book told them it is. They made their choice with their heart and guts, not through faith and a sermon. Is that me just simplifying everything and coming up with something ridiculous? Well it wouldn't be the first time I guess... From my own view I can't ever imagine putting someone's dick in my mouth, but I at least know and understand that others love people of the same sex. And I don't think they'll burn in hell for it either |
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Just FYI, I can imagine you putting someone's dick in your mouth. |
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Come to Swansea and live your fantasy schweetheart! |
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Yeah but the ting is the bible supports and corroborates homophobism by basically grouping homosexuality with incest and bestiality (Leviticus). |
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"if you were black or gay or disabled how would you like to be constantly bombarded with literature on how you're a waste of life when you just want to talk about music and such" BUT: black = no choice gay = no choice christian = your choice. I don't support ridiculing christians or any other religion, but I also don't support comparing what religion you are to skin color or sexuality. There is really not much culture integrated into christianity as there is in, say, being jewish. |
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vegitality is pretty kinky. |
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here's a short post for ya: eat shit, toxie. |
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come on, you really think it's wrong to smear someone's race, disability, sexual orientation, etc. but not their religion? and for those haters who're saying i don't want people to debate religion and its history, you're wrong. i'm just saying some people need to get over the constant need to put down organized religion however they can, be it old, old facts or news stories. sure it's valid but it's tired, too. |
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..........----- one person can find it difficult to say that something 'is' a certain way, to another person who has their own belief as to how things 'are' hence the sensitivity surrounding religious 'truths', and the inflammatory dialogues we have examples of i heard a hindu priest say a few great things on telly the other night.. to summarise he said that spirituality was born from the truth of a persons devotion |
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and that all gods are truth hindu chooses the god as a personalised vessel for the volume of their spirituality because without form, its not tangible, not real |
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look up the word PREJUDICE! thats what it's ABOUT. and Mr. K.....is there a reason you are picking on people since being back? EVERYONE has a right to say what they wish, it's up to YOU and ME how things are taken. i remember when you first started coming here and missed your absence......don't make me regret your return. =/ |
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isn't religion nice? look at all the trouble and argueing and strife it causes, EVEN ON A MESSAGE BOARD |
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thats just you guys ;) |
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