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Just watching Sky News.....one of the big bombers has just left this country heading for Iraq... ...others are starting their engines |
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Those are beasts of aircraft. Been around for 50 years and they reckon they'll be used for another 50. Bye bye Iraq... |
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Yes indeed.....another one has just left as well |
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I am sorry my friends but that is just sad news for me... well I know we all have our opinion. good to see you jedi and ceri :D |
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why don't you use your bitching jedi powers? or is is jedi bitching powers? |
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I hope they crash before they reach Iraq. |
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i just realised 'may the force be with you' gives the message that force shoold be used to solve conflicts.... |
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but that is not force, it's THE FORCE |
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Why don't you keep "Marlowe bitching powers" to SS/email, eh? ;) Jonesy, if it's US pilots flying them, they're probably drunk/cocking about doing practical jokes on board/not trained to use the nav. equipment/loaded with training bombs by accident etc. so they probably will. |
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jopnesy: thats sick, i know you have your own opinions on the war but come on... |
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in which way is it more sick than that they would arrive to iraq and kill kids.. |
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its still sick... it doesnt have to be more sick to be sick does it? I guess its ok for Saddam to continue his killing of kids then rather than us preventing him? |
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i'm not getting into this now.. we all have our opinions so lets just smile and not talk to each other. |
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anti-war people are no more moral than pro-war people. You either want Saddam to "deliberately" continue his killing of thousands innocent people or we stop him, but in the process kill some people "accidently". either way innocent civilians will be killed, I hate the fact that anti-war people think they are so much more moral than other people who agreee with the war. |
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Saddam kills kids? He should use them for labor like Nike do. :D |
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LOL, very good - trust you to lighten the mood :) Pantalaimon: Yes, it annoys me too that anti-war people consider their stance more moral. |
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Just realised no one has made a joke about B52s. "The love shack/it's a, little old place that/we can get togetheeeeer..."&etc. |
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lets just wish they have to come back without reaching the target due to technical problems |
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man thats the point |
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"lets just wish they have to come back without reaching the target due to technical problems" lol, i must admit i'd rather just use ground troops rather than using bombs and missiles. Maybe the targets are threats to the ground troops though? it's all very well us talking about it here but we dont know anywhere near enough about whats going on to make judgments... so i'm not going to :) |
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How is it sick? I'd rather the planes crash and lose those trained killers than innocent Iraqi civilains. It is nothing but racist to value American and British lives more than Iraqis. The pilots have chosen their fate, the Iraqis haven't so I'd sooner see them live. |
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When have we ever claimed to be more moral? We can't be responsible for you pro-war people's feelings of guilt you know so don't get all hyper-defensive. |
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"...sooner see them live" to die another day by Saddam? "You either want Saddam to "deliberately" continue his killing of thousands innocent people or we stop him, but in the process kill some people "accidently"." read this carefully and think again if your moral arguament is any better than people who agree with the war. anyway i'm off... |
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"When have we ever claimed to be more moral?" it just comes across that way, when we talk about saving peoples lives you talk about how we are killing them. definately off now :) |
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Yes, saying "It's an immoral war" implys that not having a war would be moral. |
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On the subject of war- please see last post on the "Transformers Fans..." thread. |
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"Bye bye Iraq..." oh that's so funny hahahahahaaaahahaa grrrr :( |
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HREF="http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/weapons/ B52-BOMBER |
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dammit |
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it's surprising the amount of pro-war people who have assumed that anyone anti-war is immediately pro-saddam... the majority of people who are anti-war are not pro-saddam - they merely believe that he can be removed from power without having to resort to "shock and awe" tactics or by blowing up citizens of that country -- I am against this war, but mainly because it is George W Bush who has instigated it. If it were truly a push for democracy I'd welcome it with open arms, but I don't believe that to be the case. |
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of course, not having a war and trying to defeat sadamm without violence would be a more moral procedure. that is obvious |
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Pro-war people have a perverted logic and they can't get their little minds around the fact that you can be anti-war AND anti-Saddam. |
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the majority of people who are anti-war are not pro-saddam - they merely believe that he can be removed from power without having to resort to "shock and awe" tactics or by blowing up citizens of that country _________________________________- I am anti war I am anti sadamm I am anti aphex twin did I say that last sentence? |
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I don't. |
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how on fucking earth would you remove saddam without military force?/ he's been in power since 1968 for chirst's sake some of you guys are utopian idealists... any way moot point... |
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Think of the removal of Romania's Ceausescu. Was that achieved through bombing? |
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Ofcourse i am anti-saddam. And inspite of everything i will be happy when i hear the news that he is no longer in control. But there are so many problems in the world, so many people are dying in so many countries. It's strange that suddenly freeing the people of iraq has become so important to the american government. I can't help but thinking that Bush mostly wants to attack iraq as a sort of revenge for the terrorist-attacks on the twin towers (even though iraq had nothing to do with that!). If 9-11 never happened, i doubt this war would have ever happened, even though the situation in iraq hasn't been getting any worse since 9-11.... it's just that bush feels like he needs to get even. So if he can't catch osama, he'll take out saddam instead. |
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No, but 10,000 people died as a result. |
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bush and saddam are pathetic loosers |
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Did they? How? |
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This war was planned pre-9/11 |
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pre bush senior |
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Saddam wouldn't last long if his "own" people, the west and neighbouring countries are against him, support the opposition(did not happen) and don't allow people of the regime to travel to other countries(Aziz could visit the pope without being arrested!!!) |
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Correction, typo, 1,000 people died. |
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Well, if the US/Uk hadn't put him in power and armed him the people of Iraq might be living in a democracy right now. |
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And how many do you think will die in this war? Over 3000 died in the 'war' on Afghanistan. |
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How many people will die if Saddam *isn't* removed? Time and time again we see how the anti-war lobby have a complete lack of realistic alternatives. |
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"How many people will die if Saddam *isn't* removed?" I don't know, do you? What if Iraq becomes a muslim-fundamentalist country with oil(Kurds are already linked to Al-Qaeda and their own terrorgroup PKK), what if a war starts between Turkey and Kurdistan? what if....(etc, etc...) |
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http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=3828 |
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Ha, ha. But I've just given you one; an example from history. What more do you want? |
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