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On his form to date, you can bet that tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands more Iraqis would die needlessly if Saddam was left where he is. |
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jees! you lot are still talking about this? Lets just hope the war doesn't go badly and stop all our *pointless* arguing. All its doing is turning this messageboard into a political forum... which isnt a good thing. |
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How shit are the iraqis at fighting? We're fucking trouncing them. And we're hardly even trying. You'd think they could at least put up some kind of resistance. If this was a boxing match I'd be asking for a refund. Let's get this over with and take on more of a challenge. Like North Korea. |
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People often cite the possibility of civil war and the falling apart of Iraq as a possible outcome of this war. Surely an Iraqi revolution would be far more likely to bring this about that? |
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All an uprising by the Iraqi people would achive is a lots of dead Iraqi people. They are no match for the republican guard who protect Saddam. this option out of the window, what other option is there jonesy? |
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"tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands more Iraqis would die" why not millions or tens of millions? it makes a more impressive number |
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there already was an uprising and the west didn't do anything to help them and they were all killed and now the west is using that number of dead people for anti saddam propaganda instead of being ashamed of not supporting them |
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Well, we killed half a million in the last Gulf War and another half a million with sanctions. I think you need to brush up on your maths. And your politics. And you history. |
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Well, not when you encourage them to rise up and then leave them to it. |
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hey look! danbrusca used that "How many people will die if Saddam *isn't* removed?" argument, as if the anti-war people wanted saddam to stay! see how simple it is to use that argument! WE WANT SADDAM HUSSEIN DEPOSED TOO! where we disagree with pro-war people is WHO it is who is doing it and WHY... there was a kind of vox-pops with everyday moslems in surrounding countries, and they said "this will make a million more Bin Laden's...my sons will grow up to be Bin Ladens", and this is because America is invading Iraq - so what will the casuality list be then? Because some Right-Wing cunts want to control the middle-east, and have decided Iraq was a safe bet to start -- maybe they'll take Iran next, and then Saudi Arabia won't rest so easy...&tc &tc ---> holy war alert! |
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No, western intervention will. The legacy of imperialism has created many civil wars; from the Balkans to Africa. |
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The only reason people are against the war is because they are afraid that some terrorist is going to plant a bomb in their neighbourhood in retalliation. They couldn't care less about the iraqi's plight. |
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I've got to be honest, I reckon that's why the french & co. are against it... |
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And you'd know Bill. |
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The estimates of deaths in the Gulf War seems to range from 180,000 to 300,000. Sure it's a lot, but we can do without sensationalist exaggerations. Funny how so many of those people who complain about us acting without UN backing are quick to blame UN sanctions for killing Iraqis. Let's not forget that oil-for-food was on the table in 1991 and the Iraqi government chose not to accept it until 1996, thus prolonging their own people's suffering more than necessary. |
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It's a perfectly valid argument, especially considering nobody has an alternative. Oh wait, there's the 'let them rise up themselves' argument. An argument that conveniently forgets the threat of thousands of deaths and civil war, threats it's advocates are so eager to cite as results of the current action. |
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no, there is the method of constriction and close attention; no need to bomb the fuck out of the country for that one to work. Also, there would have been more Global Support, and less likely to be kickbacks from other moslem states who see this invasion as a possible threat of future intent and action. |
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Not to mention the suppression of communications and education, making it virtually impossible to organise something like an uprising without hundreds of people being tortured and executed even before the ball gets rolling and even then there's no guarantee it'd succeed. Marlowe: I agree other Moslem states may see it as an attack on them (their religion dictates it) and it's something I worry about. |
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HOLY SHIT!!!! Anyone watching those bombs fall on IRaq!! The explosions are on TV now!! |
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yeah that is the awe part. nice |
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Iraqi presidential palace on FIRE! |
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I wish this had never started |
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It is too late that for now, my friend. |
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Love shack, love shack baby!! |
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get your conquest on, o yah o yah |
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This war is a fucking waste!!! Consider what could have been achieved by a constructrive use of the funds that are wasted in this war! Consider it! The extreme islam can only be stopped by the moderate islam and extreme arab nationalism can only be stopped by moderate arab nationalism! This war can do nothing but to make the extreme nationalists and islamists stronger. Hey, the so called coallition use depleted uranium in their amunition! Savages!!!! 1,000 people have been arrested at a peace demonstration in San Fransisco! You americans MUST do something about your leaders before they destroy the entire planet! ..have a nice weekend. |
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Co-existance Bear in mind the US has all-to-often had to rid the roaches of this Earth. Sometimes it has to be done. Not all things can be solved in terms of communication. There are evil people out there, face it. Not everyone can be talked down. Oh, and the 1000+ people arrested? Yeah, tell them stupid cunts to get out of the street and stop causing delays in Emergency Response Vehicles, and stop bothering the public. The right to assembly does NOT give you the right to block traffic, block public buildings, hassel the public, or cause any type of delay or instance. "before they destroy the entire planet!" yeah, ok - i think it's safe to say we do more for this fucking planet than anyone else would dare to. |
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"yeah, ok - i think it's safe to say we do more for this fucking planet than anyone else would dare to. " obviously, your oh so kind help isn't really appreciated by the rest of the world, so i'm wondering if the government over there is too stupid to take a hint? |
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those protests were being violent as shit.... the crossed the line from protesters to civil disobiedents...... a couple people waving flags got mobbed and sent to the hosipital.. |
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"yeah, ok - i think it's safe to say we do more for this fucking planet than anyone else would dare to." like what? |
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nice firework display over baghdad |
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*turns to bbc 2* oh my god.... :-/ |
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It will be interesting to see what it looks like tomorrow when it is light! |
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lets hope that they really are precision bombs! aimed at the 'right' buildings too! |
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something like when your brother smashes your legotown up in a fit of anger |
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Legotown - LOL!! |
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I have a cousin who's a few years younger than me. When I was in my Lego years he used to come round and visit and smash up my lego stuff, which totally pissed me off. Don't mess with the Lego of an only-child. |
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Hahahahha..... |
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"Why not come visit Iraq? We have many thousands of historic bulidings, all in many thousands of pieces, ho ho ho!" |
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heh one of those "precision" bombs apparently wasn't that precise and hit an oil rig in Iran. or maybe the allies are taking on the whole region while they're at it |
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Planes tickets are 'dead cheap' :) |
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mylittlesister - if i have to tell you, well, go take a fucking history class. all countries do wrong, no one is perfect, and others have their opinions', but, you can't deny what we have done. fucking incompitent hippy. p.s., the dow is up 235 |
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if we didn't "police" the world, this place would be a terrible, terrible place. unfortunetely, we have to use OUR money and OUR food and OUR resources to do this. but it's worth it. because believe it or not, we actually look INTO the future, instead of living by a day-by-day basis. |
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Seriously, when did this message board turn into a congregating place for Phish roadies? This thread reeks of sandalwood and patchouli. Take your flaccid opinions elsewhere - I'm literally nauseated from some of the posts I've read here. |
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ahhhh, ignorance is bliss, i'm sure |
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Most of this garbage doesn't even deserve a reply. Matters of this proportion need to be approached while keeping a bird's eye perspective - Something very few of you are seemingly uncapable of doing. All I see is anti-American testicular flexing and righteous scholar blabber. This is REAL - Things aren't black and white like they are in the comic books. I'm pretty sure George Bush doesn't get the Richard D. James smile on his face as he sits on the toilet and contemplates the innocent lives being snuffed out by our bombs in Iraq. Come on. |
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i know times when america has stepped in and helped out, just wondering if u could supply a select few examples, but once again the whole conversation has been changed into an attack on someone else. a different option that you could have taken was to actually provide a few examples..... Cabbog: people arent always being anti-american, but anti-american leadership or perhaps are just anti towards certain decisions taken. oh and comic books arent all in black and white anymore! ;) |
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it is not even your money ... usa is already negotiating to share the costs of the disaster, that only they originated |
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it was hilareous seeing Blair go on and say-UN has an important role in rebuilding Iraq after War- What the FUCK? Is it the same UN that is now useless and obsolete and pointless?? UK and US are acting like infants that need their arses wiped and messes cleaned after they shit all over the furniture |
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