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"God willing, this is the end of Saddam," lawmaker Nasah Rafoul told the 105-seat chamber. "America is coming to our aid and the aid of all Iraqis." these people need our help! |
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lol |
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[wow, I'm totally converted. Now why doesn't someone post a newspaper article relating to the retard GWBush executed when Governor of TX?] |
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support the war. population control AND you get to watch shit blow up. |
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one step at a time, please! you're already pro-war, maybe we should leave your conversion to favoring the death penalty for tomorrow! |
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kill all hippies |
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except me |
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Ah, I get it. Because Sadam is a sick person and has killed so many people, we must now kill even more innocent people? Ever thought of the fact that America pushed the Kurds to fight Sadam and never came to help them? I am off course totally against the murder of 5000 Kurds, but the war over there started thnanks to Americans. If they would've done 15 years ago what they're up to now, this wouldn't have happened. |
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im pro bush and anti dick |
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[American Corporations are getting as impatient as the GIs to get into Iraq and start plundering] |
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hippie chicks are w00t. remember Diastole? |
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So because nothing was done 15 years ago it should bever be done? Again I have to ask, what other option is there short of Saddam leaving? |
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Never said that, just wanted to make clear that the history of american politics is one of mistakes, just like 15 years ago. And further: I want Saddam to leave, totally! But I believe that there are still other options left besides warfare. Diplomacy isn't used to its fullest. And again I have to ask: where does GWB get the right to play police officer of the world? |
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[I love people who take control of other countries. It's so noble] |
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check this Out !! In 1998, Dick Cheney as chair of the White House Energy Policy Development Group, comissioned a report on energy surplies... Strategic Energy Policy Challenges For The 21st Century, concludes: `The United States remains a prisoner of its energy dilemma. Iraq remains a de-stabilising influence to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East. Saddam Hussein has also demonstrated a willingness to threaten to use the oil weapon and to use his own export programme to manipulate oil markets. Therefore the US should conduct an immediate policy review toward Iraq including military, energy, economic and political/ diplomatic assessments. `The United States should then develop an integrated strategy with key allies in Europe and Asia, and with key countries in the Middle East, to restate goals with respect to Iraqi policy and to restore a cohesive coalition of key allies.' |
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you could f course remoive the un sanctions that have killled and weakened more people in iraq than the chemical weapons that dick cheney sod saddam all those years ago. maybe then the iraqi's might fit enough to take the future in their own hands rather in the hands of us corporate hegemony |
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Bush seems to be one of the few leaders at present with the balls to back up his words with actions. Diplomacy has done virtually nothing to change the situation in Iraq for twelve years. To say it hasn't been used to it's fullest is plainly ridiculous. |
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uh, i shall add it's quoted from a thread at planet-mu.com forum belive it or not it's quite relevant... |
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who colonised the states? |
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i thinnk that with 1 billion$ i even I could throw saddam away LOL! |
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should ckeck b4 i send - i meant sold not sod! britian is ultimatley responsible forthe problems in this part of the middle east area when it devided the region which was called persia by them - it of course aided the setting up of israel too - who have more nuclear warheads and breaks more breaches of un agreements than ten iraqs |
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[the Irish] |
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Yet again I have to point out that the sanctions aren't killing Iraqis. Iraq can sell as much oil as it wants for food and medical supplies but chooses not to. Lift the sanctions and you just end up benefiting Saddam Hussein and making it far easier for him to keep importing things he shouldn't have. Get rid of Saddam Hussein and you make life better for the Iraqis and get the removal of sanctions thrown in. |
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Well if we go back far enough I'm sure we could blame plate tectonics for the current situation too. |
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so you change the diplomacy and use other strategies not break international law to invade a country that represents no threat to you - there are lots of countries who starve and kill the populations - mugabe in zimbabwe, the government of kashmir etc - these areas aren't oil rich however so no one cares |
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How? |
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What other strategies? Why does nobody ever answer this?! |
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they stop basic medical supplies from coming in the country - things needed to insure clean water and basic health supplies etc. they do not hurt saddam even now, they just harm the population the sanctions have killed millions . do you actually understand what sanctions are ? sanctions mean certain things cannot be bought by or imported into a country so the things that are blocked which include basic things we take for granted aren't allowed in - so basically he can't sell enough oil to get these things as they can't come in the country - are you thick or something? |
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i already answered this - a political coup has been very close before in iraq in the 90's butthe us cia fucked it over . |
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other strategies? Giving the people money to rebuild their country? Giving the children medicine? Giving the people food? Let UN control that only food, medicine enter the country. All this should have been done after the first gulf war instead of economical boycots. By the boycots, you create anger towards those boycotting you. If you would've supported them, you would've won sympathy. Who knows, maybe by now Saddams governemnt would've been overthrown? |
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maybe if all the money USA spends in army they gave to poor countries, to give them education and food |
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I think it's you that need to understand the reality of sanctions. There is nothing whatsoever stopping Iraq selling oil to buy food and medical supplies. Proceeds from oil sales are also used in many ways to improve infrastructure across Iraq. |
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One thing to add: many years have passed since the first gulf war, plenty of time for diplomatic negotiations. But they have never been used to its fullest extent. A couple of weeks after the gulf war: economical boycots, no fly zones, bla bla bla... U call that diplomacy? I can very well imagine the Iraqi aren't willing to talk with people who are giving them a hard time, whilst these same people supported them in an other war. |
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the oil for food program didn't start directly, only after several years of boycotting. And only since 2 years or so the Iraqi can export all the oil they want. Why is it that Unicef are reporting a higher child mortality that in other countries? Is Sadam gassing them as wel? |
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On a lighter note: http://www.kicken.com/funnyfiles2/www.kicken.com-bomb.sadda m.swf |
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exactly... and how shall i do it with the money you ask danbruasca, i'll be long to explain, but you could also do it "properly" with military forces, i didn't say i wouldn't use strong armed forces, but common, the plan is to throw more bombs than ever in the fewest time before the soldiers can go and check the remainings cos that way you have nearly no casualties from the euh "war", could you still call that a war then... looks like a big kick in the balls and pocket-stealing afterwards... now i make one thing clear, i do not support germany or france cos they act that way for the same reasons as the us, MONEY!!! for fuck's sake they all run after it !!! MOnEY MONEY MONEY... well don't go crazy now=) |
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Power doesn't need to reason. |
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President Bush today said the opportunity for a diplomatic solution to the confrontation with Iraq would end Monday, calling it "a moment of truth for the world." |
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Bush said he hopes the United Nations "will do its job," but warned that France's threatened veto of any U.N. resolution to authorize force means that "cards have been played." Bush made his comments after a brief summit in the Azores with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar. A British official had described the meeting as the "last chance for diplomacy." "No one is pretending things are other than difficult," the British official said. Frustrated by opposition to their hard-line stance on Iraqi disarmament, the architects of the "coalition of the willing" converged on Terceira, an island of the Portuguese Azores in the Atlantic Ocean, to decide what to do next. The three countries are co-sponsors of a new U.N. resolution that would set out disarmament tests for Iraq with a do-it-or-else deadline -- a resolution that even sponsors concede has failed to garner the support it needs to pass through the U.N. Security Council. |
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if voting made any difference it would be made illegal |
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Bush is a hypocrite! He is against the french for using their RIGHT of veto in the Un, while the US themselves are the ones who most used vetoright in the past (mostly in Israel concerned resolutions). |
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maybe instead you should |
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very true |
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What about all the resolutions passed by the UNSC over the years? Are they not the result of diplomacy? |
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Over 3 years since limitations were lifted as it happens. Not that Iraq seem to take advantage of it. |
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It's hard to find someone who isn't a hypocrite! After all, people continually drag up Iraq being armed by the US when the oh-so moral Jacques Chirac sold them a nuclear reactor. Think about that. If Israel hadn't bombed that reactor then Saddam Hussein would have had a nuke in 1991. |
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c'mon everyone should at least agree on the fact that all the gov involved are lying on the real reasons of their engagment, but keep in mind that for "us" who are not americans our economy depends on yours!!! so it's a little bit pushing it over the edge cos it's always the UN (without usa's money who don't give UN money since a long time) who have to back-up after the military "tour-de-force" took place... so I say, USA should stop taking care of the non-democratic countries OR do it properly and with all the non-democratic gov worlwide |
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how bout we fix the problem instead of only treating the symptoms... and get rid of saddamm, then help the people rebuild (and simply build) instead of just feeding his people for him no matter what he does, making his insane dictatorship artificially sustainable |
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