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this post was stupid... i shouldn't post high... i think the war is gonna be bad |
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d'you think? |
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no war is good, but it is occassionally necessary |
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Tell me Danbrusca why doesnt George Bush attack North-Korea. They have dictator even worse than Saddam Hussein and more than likely already possess some nuclear weapons. Some people´s hghghghgh never ceases to amase me, this war was decided 1990 when many republicans wrote a petition for president Bill Clinton about going to war in Iraq. 10 of those Republicans are in Bush´s government right now so dont tell me USA ever wanted to go after a diplomatic solution to these crises. This is a very complex war America decided long ago to enter, 11.sept 2001 just triggered an immediate action. The consequenses for USA if they go ahead without the UN approval is just bringing the 3rd world war opon themselves, Good luck USA....you´ll need it :) |
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wasnt BUSH yahoo's person of the year or something.. yes I am definetly going to find objective non biased views there..no doubt..no siree...no way jose...no siree bob...nein..nyet..nada...no way I am going there...no no no..ooopps freudian slip.. I am all for war.. serious.. |
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I know, but he's the underdog so of course, the anti war protesters will argue his case as it's anti-establishment. Man. |
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"George Bush attack North-Korea. They have dictator even worse than Saddam Hussein and more than likely already possess some nuclear weapons. " He will- once the troops get a little practice in over in Iraq ;) |
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yea Iraqis would rather be killed by the shiny white cowardly Americans hiding behind their laptops and joysticks...rather than by so called chemical weapons that are past their use by date.. isnt death the ultimate liberation |
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the Koreans have continously asked the US for dialogue and negotiations which is being ignored for rather belligerent behavior... there is a build up of troops and spy planes off their coastlines |
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A TEST ON THE IRAQ WAR FROM DANIEL QUINN, THE AUTHOR OF ISHAMAEL ETC. Take the War on Iraq IQ Test . Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq? 1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have? A: 6% 2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have? A: 50% 3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves? A: Saudi Arabia 4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves? A: Iraq 5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide? A: $900+ billion 6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.? A: 50% 7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the UN? A: 10% (that's about$40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan). 8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II? A: 86 million 9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons? A: Since the early 1980's. 10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical & biological weapons on their own? A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government, along with Britain and American and European private corporations. 11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against Iran? A: No 12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988? A: 5,000 13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time? A:0 14. Q: How many gallons of agent Orange did America use in Vietnam? A: 17million. 15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th terrorist attack? A: No 16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War? A: 35,000 17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western forces during the Gulf War ? A: 0 18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front? A: 6,000 19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were |
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Iraq and Kuwait after the Gulf War? A: 40 tons 20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994? A: 700% 21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had destroyed in 1991? A: 80% 22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything other than deterrence and self defense? A: No 23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years ago? A: No 24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of an attack on Iraq in 2002/3? A: 10,000 (Others estimate the figure to be closer to 100,000) 25. Q: What percentage of these will be children? A: Over 50% 26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq? A: 11years 27. Q: Was the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999? A: No 28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999? A: 20 million 9. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports? A: 12 years 30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)? A: 38 31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000 births)? A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%) 32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a result of UN sanctions? A: 1.5 million 33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions since 1997? A: 750,000 34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq? A: No 35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998? A:300 36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems? A:5 37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ? A: Yes 38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, "Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history." A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief. 39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to dev |
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39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and dismantled? A: 90% 40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in ? A: Yes 41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992? A: Over 65 42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did USA veto between 1972 and 1990? A: 30+ 44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons? A: 8 45. Q:How many nuclear warheads has Iraq got? A: 0 46. Q: How many nuclear warheads has US got? A: over 10,000 47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons? A: the US 48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have? A: Over 400 50. Q: Who said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter?" A: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr Charles Sheketoff, Executive Director Oregon Center for Public Policy PO Box 7, Silverton, OR 97381 |
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Hats off LuckyPsycho ... I have saved this page... I am currently reading Scott Ritter's new book Endgame |
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Why have so few people heard of Scott Ritter? I'm sure if he could have been heard by the world at the start of this bullshit, it would have never got this far. |
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40 Tons? That's so little depleted uranium in relation to the size it's spread over... Depleted uranium is very, very dense- a small volume weighs a lot. It's also not that harmful. There is no proof that it is responsible for gulf war syndrome. Without wars the world would be even more overpopulated than it already is. Saying Iraq has 0 nuclear weapons and stating it like a fact is definately questionable. Making statements like that undermines your whole argument. |
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But saying they DO have WMD also undermines an argument. And depleted uranium is carried via the dust in Iraq. |
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One of the 40+ draft resolutions against Israel that were Vetoed by the US... Occupied territories: Draft urged Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention, rescind the order to deport Palestinian civilians, and condemned policies and practices of Israel that violate the human rights of the Palestinian people in the occupied territories; (S/19780) The vote was 14-1!!!! And now they complain because France is using its RIGHT (a right used time and time again by the US), to veto a resolution that directly authorises force. This seems like a much more reasonable veto that most (if not all) of America's veto's to date! |
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Unreasonable Vetoes? http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html |
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It was confirmed by the UN inspectors in 1998 that Iraq had NO nuclear weapons, and NO capacity to make them. They need to build a nuclear reactor to make nuclear weapons. Its virtually impossible to build a nuclear reactor without the international atomic energy agency knowing about it. |
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Maybe they've gathered up all the depleted uranium thats collected in the lungs of their dead and dying children, put it all together, and knocked up some sort of 'dirty bomb'! |
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Only particles of depleted uranium are carried by dust and like I say, they're not very dangerous at all. Most depleted uranium is like lead in behaviour (although much more dense) when it hits a target it "splashes" to do a lot of damage, but generally stays in fairly big clumps. It's not like you get tons of radioactive dust a la nuclear winter... |
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The how do you account for the massive increase in cancers and birth defects in Iraq? and Gulf War syndrome? |
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How do you know how dangerous they are? |
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RUSSIA has used a veto only twice since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union. FRANCE has used a veto separately from Britain and the US only five times in the history of the UN. CHINA likewise has only used its veto five times. BRITAIN has used a veto 32 times, on 23 occasions alongside the US. THE US has wielded its veto on 76 occasions, 35 times to defend the actions of Israel. |
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I have a lot of friends in the military who've used them. A shoolfriend works developing weapons for the navy. He says the claims do have some grounding, but are vastly exaggerated by the anti-war camp... |
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perhaps Ceri needs to see the effects of this marginal quantity of Depleted Uranium... |
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Where is this 'anti war camp' that you keep talking about? I wouldn't mind paying it a visit. You make it sound as if anyone who is against the war is part of some hippy/lefty/socialistworkers commune, that sit around making up stuff to chuck at those who want war. I'm not just against this war because I'm against all wars, or because I hate the US, but because I've looked at the facts that are presented and have made my own decision on what I have seen. From what I have seen, this war is at best misguided, and at worst illegal and immoral, and the consequences will be felt by the world for decades to come. |
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you talkin to me?.. preaching to the overtly converted here mate;) |
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sorry... meant to reply to Ceri. |
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cool..:) |
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there is nothing can stop this fucking war now... its sad... aznar is a fucking prick sucking bush´s asshole |
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A war? Wasn't really a war, you know, a war is when two armies are fighting, so, I don't know if you could call it a war, exactly, you know. The Persian Gulf Distraction, is more like it, I think. Pretty amazing thing, really. Bush turned out to be a major fucking demon, who woulda guessed? Remember when he was first president, he was the "Wimp President," do you remember that? Cover of Newsweek, cover of fucking Newsweek, "WIMP PRESIDENT." Apparently, this stuck in this guy's craw a little bit. That guy was a dynamite waiting to go off. (Iraqi voice) We surrendah! (George Bush voice) Not good enough. (Iraqi voice) We run away! (George Bush voice) Too little, too late! Call me a wimp, c'mon, fuckers, c'mon! Hold him back! Those guys were in hog heaven over there, man. They had a big weapons catalogue opened up. (Hillbilly voices) What's G-12 do, Tommy? See, it says here it destroys everything but the fillings in their teeth, helps us pay for the war effort. Well, fuck, pull that one up! Pull up G-12, please. SHOOP. BOOM! Cool, what's G-13 do? Big Sears weapons catalogue. 'Weapons, for all occasions!' You know. See, everyone got boners over the technology, and it was pretty incredible. Watching missiles fly down air vents, pretty unbelievable. But couldn't we feasibly use that same technology to shoot food at hungry people? Know what I mean? Fly over Ethiopia, "There's a guy that needs a banana!" SHOOP. The Stealth Banana. Smart fruit! I don't know. Once again, I was watching the fucking news, and it really threw me off. It depressed everyone, it's so scary watching the news, how they built it all out of proportion, like Iraq was ever, or could ever possibly, under any stretch of the imagination be a threat to us-wwwwhatsoever. But-watching the news, you never would have got that idea. Remember how it started, they kept talking about 'the Elite Republican Guard' in these hushed tones like these guys were the bogeymen or something. Yeah, we're doing well now, but we have yet |
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to face-THE ELITE REPUBLICAN GUARD. Like these guys were twelve feet tall, desert warriors. KRRASH. NEVER LOST A BATTLE! KRRASH. WE SHIT BULLETS! Yeah, well, after two months of continuous carpet bombings and not one reaction at all from them, they became simply, 'the Republican Guard.' Not nearly as elite as we may have led you to believe. And after another month of bombing, they went from 'the Elite Republican Guard' to 'the Republican Guard' to 'the Republicans made this shit up about there being guards out there'. We hope you enjoyed your fireworks show. It was so pretty, and it took our mind off of domestic issues! The Persian Gulf Distraction. People said, "Uh-uh, Bill, Iraq had the fourth largest army in the world." Yeah, maybe, but you know what? After the first three largest armies, there's a real big fucking drop-off, all right? The Hare Krishnas are the fifth largest army in the world, and they've already got our airports, okay, so. I think that's the greater threat right now. Mr. Onion Head in Terminal C is scaring the shit out of me. Get him away from me. What an amazing thing, though. You know, and the amazing thing, obviously, the disparity and the casualties. Iraq - one hundred and fifty thousand casualties, USA - seventy-nine. Iraq - one hundred and fifty thousand, USA - seventy-nine. Does that mean that if we had sent over eighty guys, we still would have won that fucking thing, or what? One guy in a ticker-take parade: (Hillbilly voices) I did it, hey! You're welcome! Good work, Tommy, how'd you do it? I pulled up G-12! It was in the catalogue! Worked like a charm! You know, my biggest problem with the whole thing was that blood lust that came out of everyone, you know, this blood lust, man, it's really unbelievable. |
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See Flea? These hippies/commies/socialists have such pot addled brains they can't even use reply buttons! He he, sorry I know this'll look hypocritical after what I posted on the "shit attracts flies" thread, but this is meant in good humour. I like Jonesy and Luckypsycho, I just disagree with them. |
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well Republicans are laughing all the way to the bank any which way..the bogeymen have multiplied..post cold war...first there was just Saddam...then just Osama..then Saddam AND Osama..then just Saddam again..then Osama AND Saddam...now Saddam and Osama and Chriac and Puttin and Gerhart Schroder..down with the French fries.... can just picture $ signs rolling in sequence in the eyes of Arms Industry execs like so many hand jerked slot machines...free reign to divert funds form Education and Health sectors to the Defence Budgets already bulging troughs again...BOO..American People..so many people are out to getcha....shut up and pay up for the latest rinky dink shoot missiles in outer space fantasy set... tis a good time Capitalism..I predict Boom time in Downtown tonight |
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Pot addled hippie rant preceeds..please grin and observe.. though no pot was actually involved just lack of sleep :P |
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[aren't the resolutions that israel ignore of a lesser degree to the resolutions on iraq?] |
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Really, how can you expect the US to go around dealing with every non-democratic country? You have to choose your battles. |
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OK, but why choose Iraq and why now? |
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yeah man I know exactly wot you mean wot.. there's got to be monetary incentives involved..for every gun slingin' tobacker chewin texan bounty hunta..there's gotta be a bounty right? Worlds seconds largest oil reserves will do nicely pardner...ptew.. |
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George Bush doesn't attack North Korea because they're no realistic threat to the US and there's no adavantage in doing so. |
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Well, I don't see any country that threatens the US. And if you ARE gonna pick a fight then North Korea has done more to provoke one. They HAVE nuclear weapons remember. But then they aren't the second largest oil reserve in the world... |
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All the facts in that list are one sided. Where are the facts for the number of people tortured by Saddam Hussein, how many people have been killed on his orders, how many people die because he refuses to sell enough oil to feed and provide medicines for his own people etc etc? |
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They would have had a nuclear weapon in 1991 if Israel hadn't bombed the nuclear reactor that Jacques Chirac had sold them. |
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All the facts in that list are one sided. Where are the facts for the number of people tortured in Camp X-Ray, how many people have been killed by the death penalty on Bush's orders as Governor of Texas, how many people die because he refuses to allow Iraq to sell enough oil to feed and provide medicines for their own people etc etc? |
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I have no idea why they're choosing Iraq now, I don't really care. Like I said yesterday, whatever the aims of the US they coincide with what I happen to think is in the best interests of the Iraqis. |
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Its kinda sad we live in a time when the largest crowd prostesting in the world doesnt change anything about what I think is starting World War III. The retaliation from the Islamic world will be enormous. I dont buy the explanation about the USA going only for the oil in Iraq, I think USA with Israel is slowly trying to annihilate all Muslims and and especially their culture. The "Endgame" book doesnt explain it fully. There is something very evil developing in this world, the essence of capitalism is to expand till nothing escapes their values. Its a wild idea but its possible the only reason Western countries want the Islamic world to take up democracy is to expand their markets. Europe has done this over the course of history but I thought we stopped that superior nonsense a long time ago. Nothing to do with getting the world together under one regime and peace and unity for all will follow ;) I have nothing but my own gut feeling behind me on this but its possible in the next 50 years we will witness something even more terrible than the Holocaust.........the fight for money and water will trigger something that terrible. |
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no marlowe most of those resolutions involve illegally occupied Palestinian terrorities and anyway if they were such minor issues why the need for the US to veto? Here's a list of them...make your own |
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