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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-03-17 07:03 [#00599311]
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why would i have to tell people that? they know it. have you ever seen footage of an iraqi complaining about the gov't? no cuz theyd be killed
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-17 07:06 [#00599319]
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US War Plan
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-17 07:07 [#00599326]
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North Korea's status
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-03-17 07:08 [#00599327]
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ok so the usa wants a quick war. that would be cheaper for the u.s. people. wants wrong with that?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-17 07:08 [#00599330]
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No, I meant that the US is the biggest threat to the Iraqis. It will be the US and the UK who will be murdering Iraqis tomorrow.
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-03-17 07:12 [#00599333]
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the usa doesn't want to kill innocent civilians. they just want to destroy the gov't built by saddam.
RED: what are you trying to tell me? i read both of those and i don't see your point.
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-03-17 07:13 [#00599334]
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im sure that lots of people in iraq just want to be over with this and want to live their lives in peace. theyd prolly be happy to get rid of saddam and start a new gov't.
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-17 07:21 [#00599356]
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The whole of the Middle East was the Muslim ottomon empire with its seat of power in Turkey not unlike USA or UK or EEC...after the WW1 after which Britain started carving it up...Iraq was bordered by Kuwait by the British in 1927 leaving the country landlocked without access to shipping. After the WW2 Americans and Russians started to play the various states in the Middle East like chess pieces for the different manovering and power plays involving the Cold War. At same time the Middle East has been kept on the brink of chaos because it suits the purposes of Israel and US so NeoExmnist you have it the other way around. If it wasnt for the constant intervention by the US mostly in support of illegal activities by Israel the Middle East would be a lot more stable terrority.
*look at afgahnastan, people protested that too. but now a political system is actually trying to evolve. the u.s.a. is so horrible.*
right...ripe for oil and natural gas companies to pick and the World Bank and IMF have already spread their tenacles in there will be soon devoid of any means of economic control over their own country's resources. Works like a clockwork the step by step disassembling and rearranging of entire nation for the benefit of the corporate capitalist world.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-17 07:23 [#00599361]
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I'm sure they would if they lived through our bombing raids.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-03-17 07:24 [#00599367]
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Do you think saddam's looking well, though?
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-17 07:27 [#00599378]
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heard of "soft targets" codeword for civilians
I think you may need a reality check that the Iraqis want the sanctions to be lifted so they can go back to living the way they did before in peace... they dont want to be killed by US bombs
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-03-17 07:28 [#00599381]
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oh ok so if the u.s.a. wouldn't have helped afgahnastan eventually they would have formed a nice gov't and started selling the oil and making money and building the economy? nothing would have ever happened. nothing is happening now. all ur doing is assuming this is all about oil. all the us wants is oil. that;s not the answer to everything yanno.
i still say the middle east was completely fucked before the usa. with all the different mixes of religions, there will never be peace.
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-17 07:30 [#00599384]
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3 of the cloned lookalikes look like they spend too much time in the spa but one of them is looking a bit under the weather though
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-03-17 07:30 [#00599386]
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do you think the bombs are aimed at civilians? no they're aimed at military fortifications. what would be the advantage of killing 1000's of civilians. war isn't about killing everybody, it's about defeating your opponents offense.
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-03-17 07:31 [#00599391]
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the people of iraq will never be in peace as long as they keep bombing each other. people are walking around with bombs attached to them walking into buses and blowing them up. they get satisfaction in killing each other.
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NeoExmnist
from United States on 2003-03-17 07:34 [#00599398]
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the usa isn't the good guy for sure. i wish bush would just back the fuck up and let it be. i don't agree with the u.s. constantly monitoring the middle east.
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-17 07:37 [#00599403]
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the US abandoned Afghanistan after the Russians left and Taliban got into power with the blessing of the US government so what is your point?
about the middle east that is bollocks..it was no more fucked up than your own US is. Why dont we concentrate on some of the issues in your country..the middle east was far more peaceful than your country was right about the time of say the Civil War. How far back do you want to go? Go and watch Gangs of New York and at that time a little something else called Colonisation had happened as well so once again the problems that the Middle East had had next to nothing to do with their own religous or sectarian differences that you want to keep alluding to and everything to do with Western interference
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-17 07:47 [#00599427]
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OK, that is racism plain and simple. Fool.
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LuckyPsycho
from a long way from home (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-17 07:54 [#00599443]
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"the people of iraq will never be in peace as long as they keep bombing each other. people are walking around with bombs attached to them walking into buses and blowing them up. they get satisfaction in killing each other. "
Bollox... I was going to write a more informed reply, but the ignorance shown here is so incredible that I wouldn't know where to start. Read a bit of world history.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-03-17 11:12 [#00599982]
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Red,
Sweet, you are pig ignorant. These new governments like 'The Taliban' should of course get the blessing of the West to start with. Thats why they go into power in the first place, little point in them going into power without the West's blessing eh. If subsequently they go bad then the West should then do something to solve the problem.
However the sum of your argument if I'm correct is er because the West don't get every decision exactly right that makes them imperfect therefore they shouldn't do anything ever again to attempt to do something right or do the right thing. On that same logic that means that if you get fired from a job that no one should employ you ever again because you haven't been absolutely perfect up until then (even though your intentions were honourable in the first place - that is to do a job to the best of your abilities and take home a pay package).
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George_Kaplan
on 2003-03-17 11:30 [#00600032]
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it's all about money. forget every other 'reason'. anyway it's gonna be irrelevant in 50 years cos by then america wont be a superpower any more. china, brazil and india are waiting in the wings and will take up control as america's economy finally crumbles.
by then no-one will care what america wants. they already have serious economic problems, and i would say theyre setting themselves up for the biggest fall ever.
let them get on with fucking themselves. it's like a school bully. if u wind them up enough eventually they fuck themselves because their desire to destroy is so great.
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-03-17 11:56 [#00600102]
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look i thought this thread should die but....
the name of this topic makes it seem like i'm pro war i'm not......just a realist who knows that we are on the eve of war and i'm a idealist who believes that there will be a optimistic outcome for all involved....
1. the country can be split into to countries kurdistan and lower iraq....
2. the oil belongs to the iraq people to sell on the free market to whoever wants to buy it.... yes of course the us will buy tons..... but so will every only industrialized nation in the world...... oil prices will plumet.... no more french and russian monoply....
3. of course the people would rather not have a totalitarian dictator who kills them....... all people want freedom... the people of iraq are actaully the least religous.... i.e. not many islamic zealots who want to kill all non-believers.....
4. whats done is done and the un totally fucked this whole situation up as did bush, blair and other leaders.... oviously diplomatic errors were made....
5. the us attacted yugoslavia in the 90's without the un...we still have 30,000 troops over there.... nobody blicked....
6. the reason?? becuase this time there were powerful anti-american, anti-capitalist orginazations who had the time to orginize all this ... i am not making this up... check out who orginzed the anti-war meetings that You attended...
7. that's it...war is here a people will be liberated, an oil monoply broken, people blown up with bombs.... the whole war thang... i hope it's over quick
ps. north korea certainly is a threat much much greater than iraq... they have nuclear missles that can reach any american city and military of 1.2 million people.... which is larger than the us's.... the us knows it would be a bloody battle almost immpossilbe to win ..... which is why north korea remains a threat to all
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-03-17 12:35 [#00600195]
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George_Kaplan,
Poor you were you bullied at school? Are you fucked up for life? Lol.
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George_Kaplan
on 2003-03-17 14:39 [#00600456]
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i dunno. it depends on your definition of fucked.
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