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[It was just something my mum said to me last night when I brought up the # of resolutions issues - she always says things that I can't answer cos I'm useless with facts - so I have to come here to check it out] |
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There's still no evidence that the US or UK want Iraq's oil. Bush and Blair have both said repeatedly that it belongs to the Iraqis. Yesterday, Blair said he envisions the UN administering the Iraqi oil in the interim. |
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Well, fixing the problem? For that you have to go out to Iraq and learn about their way of living, their ethics, morals, values, their habbits, try to understand their beliefs. No one has ever done that, so the only thing you can do now is replace a bad government (we all agree that Saddam is bad,we only disagree on how to deal with it), by another government that will be also bad for the population. They won't accept it! Would you accept a new government that was given to you in a bloody war, by a country that has been the state's enemy for more than 10 years? I don't think so. |
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Nonsense, there is no ceiling on how much oil Iraq can sell for food and medicine. |
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ok Marlowe now you are armed with facts |
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Talk is quite cheap! I can easily say that I'm not interested, but afterwards will gain of it myself. |
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[what they say must be true--after all, why would a US president whose cabinet is teeming with oil executives, & whose campaign was funded by oil companies, want any of the oil in Iraq?] |
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one reason they are after iraq is cuz they support the terrorist. if saddam ever created a neuclear weapon do you think he'd fire it? fuck no he'd sell it to some dumbass like osama bin laden and they'd fire it at us. then iraq could just deny any coorelation with the terrorists. |
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has there ever been any proof of Saddam linked to terrorists? And is there any proof of him having nuclear weaponry (there was one, Us gave it to UN, but later they admitted it was fake). |
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[Hey! How about giving us the evidence that Hussein has links to International Terrorism! Because even Tony Blair has said there's no evidence! but obviously YOU know better!!] |
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Would I accept a government in which I had a say through the ballot box, that was created by a foreign power which had removed an evil dictator who had caused the deaths of hundred of thousands of my countrymen for decades? Sure! |
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[well I hope you don't live in America then, because the Current President wasn't chosen by way of the ballot box] |
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how can u be sure muslims think the same? And the economic sanctions in the early years (before oil for food) have caused thousands of Iraqi's to die as wel, thank U US. Why is it that UNICEF still report on high child mortality? Partly because economic boycots. |
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look, there are 3 different groups of people in iraq: kurds soonies some other that i can't remember they are all mortal enemies. they're all muslim yet they different. these people are enemies and when a kurd kills a soony they feel no remorse becuz now they think they are one step closer to heaven. these people are going to kill each other until there is only one group left. right now saddam is the best gov't cuz although he kills his own people it could be worse. if we get rid of saddam, bush will have to keep tons of soldiers over there for at least 10 years just to keep the peace. killing saddam isn't so easy as just to blow his ass up. we have to have some kind of plan for iraq after hes gone. this war will take a very long time. |
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rubbish what good is no ceiling on how much Iraq can sell for medicine when 90% of the medicine they need gets confiscated for the fear of chemical weapons creation bollocks...the last time I checked a vital component of medicine is guess what?...chemicals..and also the cancers being caused by the depleted uranium cannot be treated thanks to sanctions cos guess what that involves... chemothearpy are you actually aware of the makeup of the Republican administration their extensive oil industry background...and further does anyone remember that wretched medival 3rd world country called Afghanistan? Guess who replaced Mullah Omar as the president an ex Unicol executive the very oil company that was kicked out by the Taliban...is this all making sense...saying that any move this American administration is taking has nothing to do with oil is like saying men wear condoms because they feel good... |
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theres no evidence of saddam having neuclear weapons yet we send un inspectors to iraq to search through all his shit. saddam hates the usa. osama is rich as fuck. where did osama get his funds??? s(addam)omebody gave it to him |
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soonies?.. as opposed to laterals? almost sounds like a group of people afflicted with premature ejaculation syndromes... everybody else I'm just kidding because by NeoEminist definition I am a reformed soonie :-P |
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So how are they going to take the Iraqi oil? |
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I don't live in America, no. It's sure as hell more democratic than Iraq though. |
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what do you mean my definition of soonie? |
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you do know the muslim religion has different groups. just as christianity has about 2.7 million different groups. |
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[thru their oil companies is how, after probably installing a puppet presidency (as was the trend in South America last century).] [I would never call the USA a democracy.] |
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DUH...first caretaker government comes in then the oil fields get denationalized then foreign investors from multinational corporations come in and buy into these denationalised assests, first for show certain percentage limits are placed so like a many headed serpent these corporations multiply into many subsidaries and dummy faces which then buy the quota percentages and then all of the sudden all of these are reconsolidated and as if by magic the oil fields are owned by a multinational...oh lets stop bullshitting ourselves a US corporation which then goes onto generously contributing to election campaign funds of the administration in power in the US etc etc etc |
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marlowe, do you think the people actually control the gov't., not just the usa but any country? no, the gov't only let's us vote becuz it gives a since of power in our gov't. basically i think the people have no control in who would be president. this has some support considering bush is our president. |
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the word is sunni...no kidding |
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Do I think the muslims think the same as who? You say the sanctions before oil for food caused thousands of Iraqi deaths. What you don't say is that oil-for-food was on the table for the Iraqis to take advantage of in 1991 under UN resolution 706, but the Iraqi government refused to accept it until 1996 under resolution 986. |
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this discussion is either b.s. or old news... if you feel so strongly about it, get off your lazy arses and DO something about it. |
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if we go to war with iraq, we will fuck them up. there won't be a need for a 'puppet gov't' in order fo us to take the oil. the u.s. does not want to steal the oil. george bush wants to ensure the the united states stays the world super power. that's what this war will be about. bush wants to prove to the world that the usa is a force to be reckoned with. |
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Would you directly accept everything from countries that have just bombed you? |
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i knew i spelled it wrong. no offense to all the sunni's in here |
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*one reason they are after iraq is cuz they support the terrorist. if saddam ever created a neuclear weapon do you think he'd fire it? fuck no he'd sell it to some dumbass like osama bin laden and they'd fire it at us. then iraq could just deny any coorelation with the terrorists. * Do you really think after being repeatedly bombed for a decade that Saddam would not want the pleasure himself of retailation if he had the nukes...think Sept 11 and think Afghanistan...was that right to bomb a country to catch a terrorist that they still conveniently keep losing... |
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OK, so medicines are made from chemicals. Why not import ready-made medicines then? Is medicine from the rest of the world not good enough for the Iraqis? |
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YOU BUNCH OF ANTI-WAR PUSSIES !! peace is the best idea, but its not REALISTIC at all, we (the usa) needs to clean up this world, with others support or not its not woth getting bombed, to then say we need a change IS IT JUST ME OR IS THE FRENCH MINISTER A TOTAL PUSSY ? |
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...and how does that all happen if the oil assets are under UN administration? |
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theres nothing wrong with offering help. it's just showing that we still want peace. |
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were they ever offered ready made medicine? I do not know. Further: it is not so hard to derive the basic chemicals from medicine in a well equiped chemical lab. |
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[The USA clean up the world? That's the most ironic thing I've heard you say EVER thad.] |
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do you think if he fired a nuke at us he'd live to see it go off? george bush wants a reason to blow the middle east off the map and he would. saddam wants to destroy the u.s. but also stay alive. |
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why? nobody else is trying to fix the problem yeah ironic cause the usa trashes the planet so much :0[ |
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why arent the Iraqis entitled to the revenue from their own oil, as far as I can see they are cooperating with the UN inspectors on disarmarment so why not lift the sanctions so they can trade their own oil with what countries they want to trade with hmmm? They were a first world country with people with higher living standards than Americans with access to free health and education...hasnt the US got enough access to oil already and has too much say on Free Trade agreements with countries it calls friends like New Zealand, using the excuse for war to dispense aid to countries like Turkey so they can build miltary bases in the Middle East |
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Are they bombing *me* or are they bombing the apparatus of state that's been oppressing it's people for decades? |
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But Iraq wouldn't do something like that would they? :P |
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it is the ready made medicines that are seized in aid of riduculous notions such as these ready made medicines will be disintergrated and used to make chemical weapons (on flea's behalf) |
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wtf!! when did i ever say anything about taking their oil. i disagree with that to the fullest. now ur just getting mixed up. i don't think this war will be about oil. it will be about the usa being the world super power. |
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You can not know, right? |
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saddam opresses his own people. he kills his own people. the biggest threat to the iraqis is saddam himself. |
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No Chirac says France is not a pacisfist country...there's nothing wrong with more time for inspectors...are you just thirsty for blood and fireworks? the US is one of the main causes of many people suffering worldwide from the effects of war, globalisation and free trade...people are just waking up to the facts... |
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[let's all just stop resisting and allow Capitalism to march triumphant to the east--let all these pro-US pro-war monkeys have their way] |
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Trying telling that to the Iraqi civilians tomorrow night. The ones who are alive. |
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ur right marlowe. iraq was such a great place before the u.s. messed it up. gezz the middle east had been fucked up ever since time began. the u.s. were the ones who kept the peace in kosovo and people protested then but now look at it. it's a lot better than what it was. look at afgahnastan, people protested that too. but now a political system is actually trying to evolve. the u.s.a. is so horrible. |
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